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Old 12-22-2013, 07:55 AM
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I have been one of the people who has singled out Frantz Jean as a big part of the Lightning's historic goalie problem. Now that we have a very successful goalie in Bishop, it begs the question: Is Bishop's success due to (or aided by) Jean's coaching? Or is he ignoring the coaching and doing his own thing?

I'm not goalie savvy enough to recognize if Bishop is using Jean's coaching, and really don't know what style of playing Jean coaches.

Does anyone here have any insight?
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Old 12-22-2013, 08:06 AM
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I have been one of the people who has singled out Frantz Jean as a big part of the Lightning's historic goalie problem. Now that we have a very successful goalie in Bishop, it begs the question: Is Bishop's success due to (or aided by) Jean's coaching? Or is he ignoring the coaching and doing his own thing?

I'm not goalie savvy enough to recognize if Bishop is using Jean's coaching, and really don't know what style of playing Jean coaches.

Does anyone here have any insight?
Your insight is good. He abandoned the Franz methods and returned to what made him good to begin with playing solid standup goalie. Using his size and taking the angles. If you watched the Worlds this past summer where he was benched for a 19 year old rookie while trying to work on the "Franz style" and looked like a rag doll being thrown from post to post it is easy to see that he reverted to what made him a decent goalie to begin with and abandoned the Frankenstein methods.
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Old 12-22-2013, 08:55 AM
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Your insight is good. He abandoned the Franz methods and returned to what made him good to begin with playing solid standup goalie.
This seems to suggest that Bishop is a standup goalie, while he appears to be a butterfly goalie who goes down early and stays down for extended periods while the puck is in the vicinity of the net.

I don't even know of a successful standup goalie today; even Martin Brodeur plays a unique hybrid style that involves significant down-time...on his back...facing the net...with pads in the air over his head...

Standup goalies...they "don't get no respect!"
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Old 12-22-2013, 12:12 PM
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You all overrate the impact Jean can have on his goaltenders. The simpler explanation is Bishop is just flat out playing better.... and that's BECAUSE, btw, the team in front of him is playing so much better in terms of limiting the odd man rushes and longer range shots Ben struggles with.
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Old 12-22-2013, 01:17 PM
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The better comparison would be Lindback at the beginning of the season to Lindback now.
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Old 12-22-2013, 03:58 PM
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Poor Frantz Jean.

If the goalies aren't playing well it is solely Frantz Jean's fault.

If they play well, it is despite Frantz Jean.

If you want to hold him accountable for failure, you have to also credit him with the success.

Pete is correct in that the team has been more responsible defensively. That is a credit to Cooper and his entire staff. But at the same time, this defense has some injuries and weak links, yet the goalies and the overall team play have covered up those problems. Before the season began, a member of hockey operations said that the biggest problem last year was that the goalies were giving up too many weak goals - not the defensive breakdowns by the defense. Either way you look at it, better team play or better goalie play, the results have been impressive.
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Poor Frantz Jean.

If the goalies aren't playing well it is solely Frantz Jean's fault.

If they play well, it is despite Frantz Jean.

If you want to hold him accountable for failure, you have to also credit him with the success.

Pete is correct in that the team has been more responsible defensively. That is a credit to Cooper and his entire staff. But at the same time, this defense has some injuries and weak links, yet the goalies and the overall team play have covered up those problems. Before the season began, a member of hockey operations said that the biggest problem last year was that the goalies were giving up too many weak goals - not the defensive breakdowns by the defense. Either way you look at it, better team play or better goalie play, the results have been impressive.
Not true. If they play BAD trying HIS style, and then play GOOD when they ignore it, there's no need to praise him at all.
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Old 12-22-2013, 06:42 PM
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I have been one of the people who has singled out Frantz Jean as a big part of the Lightning's historic goalie problem. Now that we have a very successful goalie in Bishop, it begs the question: Is Bishop's success due to (or aided by) Jean's coaching? Or is he ignoring the coaching and doing his own thing?

I'm not goalie savvy enough to recognize if Bishop is using Jean's coaching, and really don't know what style of playing Jean coaches.

Does anyone here have any insight?
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Poor Frantz Jean.

If the goalies aren't playing well it is solely Frantz Jean's fault.

If they play well, it is despite Frantz Jean.

If you want to hold him accountable for failure, you have to also credit him with the success.

Pete is correct in that the team has been more responsible defensively. That is a credit to Cooper and his entire staff. But at the same time, this defense has some injuries and weak links, yet the goalies and the overall team play have covered up those problems. Before the season began, a member of hockey operations said that the biggest problem last year was that the goalies were giving up too many weak goals - not the defensive breakdowns by the defense. Either way you look at it, better team play or better goalie play, the results have been impressive.
Not intentionally tooting my own horn here, but

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Old 12-22-2013, 07:53 PM
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Wow, 8 months in advance. Nice job.
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:55 AM
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So the consensus is he's doing his own thing?

FJ coaches them to play a strict, conservative, butterfly style?

Thanks for all of the responses!
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