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Old 07-06-2012, 02:04 PM
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Even if you don't "throw out" the ECF run, IMO last year wasn't the huge disappointment it was made out to be (which was the my main focus even though I obviously did a poor job of portraying that). Even if last year's results weren't what we wanted, the talent that was added to the roster and the picks that were either used or traded to "attempt" to fill the holes put this organization far and above where we were last year.

I just look back on Yzerman's track record as GM and the decisions he has made and don't understand questioning much beyond MAB (but even as a #7 D/PP specialist I can understand somewhat.) This organization is lucky to have him as our GM and quite frankly what he has done so far to build this organization's talent base is second to none across the entire NHL when you consider what was a mostly barren organization outside of 91, 26, 4, and 77. Yes there are still a few question marks and holes that need answering, but based on Yzerman's record I think it is safe to assume he knows what they are and is already working to fill them.

For the record I wasn't taking a shot at you as quite frankly I only read the post and didn't even see nor remember who wrote it. Also very much agree regarding stay at home and physicality on D as a missing ingredient, but I direct those questions to Boucher. Just my 2 cents that isn't worth a penny
I meant a shot at my position, not really a personal shot.

But, I disagree about last year. I swear I remember going into the playoffs two years ago, Yzerman restating about how this is a surprise, and that they were building for the next season (last season) to be the big breakout year. At any rate, I've seen him make moves I've disliked, and haven't worked out, but a lot of people want to make him into an all-knowing entity, when in reality, the guy is a first time GM, he is not infallible.
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:04 PM
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I meant a shot at my position, not really a personal shot.

But, I disagree about last year. I swear I remember going into the playoffs two years ago, Yzerman restating about how this is a surprise, and that they were building for the next season (last season) to be the big breakout year. At any rate, I've seen him make moves I've disliked, and haven't worked out, but a lot of people want to make him into an all-knowing entity, when in reality, the guy is a first time GM, he is not infallible.
I don't think anyone is saying he's infallible. No GM will ever be perfect. But just because the team was a disappointment last season (for myriad mitigating circumstances) doesn't mean he hasn't earned the praise given to him. One need only look at championships in Estero and Norfolk this past season to see his commitment is to building the organization from the ground up to help with prolonged and sustainable success rather than a flash in the pan team at the NHL level with no real foundation supporting it.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:47 PM
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What is wrong with some of you people? Did you have your hearts set on Suter or bust? Did you not look at the free agent list? Would you rather we risk losing a shot at the few good FAs by waiting for a trade to possibly materialize?

I would think most Lightning fans would be jumping for joy at having a GM who understands that you can't go into a season with a team full of holes. We have filled out our defense with tested pros, we have goalies, we have a solid nucleus of forwards and plenty of cap room to add what we really need now … some toughness and sandpaper. I expect it'll get done with Yzerman calling the shots.
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Your post to Yzerman's ears....eyes....

I'd like to see Godard or King get a shot.
I just look at the roster right now and think there is no way YZ didn't learn a lesson from last year. We were WAY too easy to play against, sometimes just plain soft. My philosophy of hockey is that even if you don't beat the other team, they should have to earn their points and know that they fought for every inch of ice they got.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:16 PM
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I don't think anyone is saying he's infallible. No GM will ever be perfect. But just because the team was a disappointment last season (for myriad mitigating circumstances) doesn't mean he hasn't earned the praise given to him. One need only look at championships in Estero and Norfolk this past season to see his commitment is to building the organization from the ground up to help with prolonged and sustainable success rather than a flash in the pan team at the NHL level with no real foundation supporting it.
Sure, our minor leagues are looking very good. I just don't like what he has done at the NHL level. I felt like we gave up to much for Lindback, paid way to much for Carle, etc. etc. I'm just not convinced we have addressed our needs. I'll be drinking my whiskey screaming at the TV game one for us to make me look like an idiot. I just think he has done a bad job fixing our problems. Do I know what would have been better/what I would have done different, no, not really. Honestly there are plenty on this board with a lot more hockey smarts than I do, let alone people in the organization. But to me, our biggest problem was a complete lack of movement on the PP (that has nothing to do with getting dmen to me), a Torts approach to our lower lines, letting our goalies get beaten up all the time (once again, not addressed), our goalteding (possibly addressed if young guys step up), inability to make a first pass (addressed) partly due to the concept of not having our forwards helping the dmen (on the coaches again), and a complete lack of any physical play (not addressed defensivly/on the coaches). So, to me, a lot is our coaching stepping up, and the rest I'm not sure how much we really addressed. Which is why I personally question what Yzerman has done this offseason.

But I disagree, I think certain people will not allow any questioning of Yzerman. We could have signed Clark for $5 mil/year for 15 years, and there are some people who would applaud it because of Yzerman. Not you, and maybe not even on this board, but there are some out there, and that drives me nuts.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:23 PM
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I just look at the roster right now and think there is no way YZ didn't learn a lesson from last year. We were WAY too easy to play against, sometimes just plain soft. My philosophy of hockey is that even if you don't beat the other team, they should have to earn their points and know that they fought for every inch of ice they got.
Yes. I'm thinking the most we can hope for is Aulie to split time between the AHL and NHL at this point. No Downie this season either. Not sure what to make of this, since Yzerman was willing to deal our best power forward prospect because of the glaring lack of physicality. We all know Boucher's philosophy here, but that problem didn't go away. And we just pushed Aulie to the fringes of the NHL depth charts.

I'll be surprised if something happens, but before he signed, I would have been fine with a Sarich signing to address this area. Now it will have to come from a forward.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:25 PM
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Who do you think we picked up for the NHL level that addresses that concern?
I'm pretty sure he is trying to make the opposite point even if it wasn't worded that way.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure he is trying to make the opposite point even if it wasn't worded that way.
I deleted it, I just reread it and think he meant the same thing.
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Old 07-06-2012, 09:06 PM
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Sure, our minor leagues are looking very good. I just don't like what he has done at the NHL level. I felt like we gave up to much for Lindback, paid way to much for Carle, etc. etc. I'm just not convinced we have addressed our needs. I'll be drinking my whiskey screaming at the TV game one for us to make me look like an idiot. I just think he has done a bad job fixing our problems. Do I know what would have been better/what I would have done different, no, not really. Honestly there are plenty on this board with a lot more hockey smarts than I do, let alone people in the organization. But to me, our biggest problem was a complete lack of movement on the PP (that has nothing to do with getting dmen to me), a Torts approach to our lower lines, letting our goalies get beaten up all the time (once again, not addressed), our goalteding (possibly addressed if young guys step up), inability to make a first pass (addressed) partly due to the concept of not having our forwards helping the dmen (on the coaches again), and a complete lack of any physical play (not addressed defensivly/on the coaches). So, to me, a lot is our coaching stepping up, and the rest I'm not sure how much we really addressed. Which is why I personally question what Yzerman has done this offseason.

But I disagree, I think certain people will not allow any questioning of Yzerman. We could have signed Clark for $5 mil/year for 15 years, and there are some people who would applaud it because of Yzerman. Not you, and maybe not even on this board, but there are some out there, and that drives me nuts.
Fair points for the most part. I do have to say though, that expectations should be tempered with reality. And you should always be willing to over pay for things that you need and can afford. All of these minor league signings gives him that flexibility.
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:04 AM
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Re: It's on the coach

Yes, to a degree. We can all hail SFY for his budding mastery at the helm, while not forgetting that he is Boucher's immediate boss. So if Boucher is, for example, coaching Victor Hedman to try to BLOW onrushing puck carriers off the puck with rapidly moving air from his waving stick, we get to glare with a perplexed look at who says it's OK to be coaching that way.

Not expecting SFY to micromanage, to stalk into the locker room like the OK corral cowboys and start demonstrating how to snap the cup into the jockstrap...just a bit of WTF Mr. Y, why not at least ask Boucher to consider allowing your biggest, heaviest, strongest Dman to play like it? What are you up to, exactly, because whatever it is doesn't work?
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I think certain people will not allow any questioning of Yzerman. We could have signed Clark for $5 mil/year for 15 years, and there are some people who would applaud it because of Yzerman. Not you, and maybe not even on this board, but there are some out there, and that drives me nuts.
All joking aside about 15-year contracts for 35-year-olds, your hypothetical is still a bad example. Brett Clark's production dropped by 50 percent last year. I don't think anyone -- ANYONE -- on here is such a blind Yzerman loyalist as to defend (much less applaud) re-signing that old dog. He's been rightly put out to pasture.

If you're going to mix your points with massive hyperboles, they will get lost. I'm sure there are some Yzerman apologists here, but since you are in the minority of dissenters, perhaps you should point out any bad signings and what was wrong with them. It's one thing to say you don't think our biggest needs were addressed, but if I connect the dots it really does sound as if you're complaining that we didn't sign Ryan Suter and Jaromir Jagr or something. I dunno. Help me out. I don't want to put words in your mouth.
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