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Old 09-21-2017, 07:40 PM
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Several options exist, probably the most politically viable of which being increasing taxes on the upper brackets to raise the revenue.
Spoken like a true left wing democrat........you want all the good stuff but you want someone else to pay for it.

Why not have us pay our fair share? If I can currently afford $1250 a month for healthcare coverage why can't I pay that in your plan?

Nope, lets have the upper 1% pay. And oh yeah, we want free education........lets have the upper 1% pay for that also.

You sound like a cheap bastard pete.
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Old 09-21-2017, 08:10 PM
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If I can currently afford $1250 a month for healthcare coverage why can't I pay that in your plan?
Most jobs available right now for anybody except the most specialized fields are going to find that premium out of reach entirely or financially not viable at the least. I'd have to at least triple my income before I could even begin to be able to think about budgeting that kind of monthly premium.

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Nope, lets have the upper 1% pay. And oh yeah, we want free education........lets have the upper 1% pay for that also.
But that 1% will still remain filthy rich while vastly increasing the quality of life and well-being of millions of people. Being an Ebenezer Scrooge is immoral.
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Old 09-21-2017, 09:49 PM
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I think if you study hard in school and spend 8 years in college to get an opportunity to job hunt for a potential career, you deserve to not have uncle sam eat you alive on taxes. Investment income on the other hand I think should be taxed considerably before retirement age.
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Old 09-21-2017, 09:50 PM
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They're trying to bribe Alaska to go for Graham-Cassidy by letting them keep Obamacare, basically. LOL what a joke.
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Old 09-21-2017, 10:47 PM
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I think if you study hard in school and spend 8 years in college to get an opportunity to job hunt for a potential career, you deserve to not have uncle sam eat you alive on taxes. Investment income on the other hand I think should be taxed considerably before retirement age.
Even if that magically could be a possibility for every person, the number of moderate- to high-paying jobs are woefully short in numbers.

Taxation needs to be simplified, with fewer corporate deductions especially, and rates should overall be higher for the upper brackets.

Investment income should be taxed at a higher rate. I've got investments so I do have a horse in this race.
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Old 09-21-2017, 11:18 PM
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Nope, lets have the upper 1% pay. And oh yeah, we want free education........lets have the upper 1% pay for that also.
Is Waiver foaming at the mouth again about eeeeeeevil leftist socialists and claiming we're all dirty freeloaders, again? It's so tiresome.

Look, I'm almost assuredly in a higher tax bracket than that bitter old man, and I'm a business owner/"job creator," and I'm telling you flat out the health care system in this country isn't sustainable and I'm more than willing to pay more into the system to make sure we get nationalized medicine like all other developed Western nations.

It's morally correct and it's economically correct. The amount of time and dollars a small business has to invest in a system where health coverage is tied to labor is onerous and puts us at an economic disadvantage relative to other countries AND it doesn't work to boot!

If that bitter old man had a better idea, surely he'd be telling you about it right now. He doesn't have one, besides the same empty canards like "selling insurance across state lines" that any independent analysis shows simply won't move the needle to solving the problem.

A health care for profit system inevitably collapses unless they're allowed to exclude the elderly and the infirm because those demographics simply aren't profitable. So it comes down to a simple decision based on a person's basic values: do you believe the market should be allowed to let people die prematurely in order to make greater profits or do you believe that we should have universal coverage? You can't have both.

Do you think the insurance companies have a right to let someone's grandma and grandpa die so that some CEO can buy a nicer private jet? Yes or no? That bitter old man won't answer that question directly because it reveals what a morally bankrupt son of a bitch he is. But, read between the lines. He's telling you what he values, and it isn't the lives of his fellow human beings.
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Old 09-21-2017, 11:23 PM
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They're trying to bribe Alaska to go for Graham-Cassidy by letting them keep Obamacare, basically. LOL what a joke.
Tells you everything you need to know about what a terrible deal the GOP's bill is, that blood red Alaska wants no part of it in exchange for Murkowski's vote.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:28 AM
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I think if you study hard in school and spend 8 years in college to get an opportunity to job hunt for a potential career, you deserve to not have uncle sam eat you alive on taxes. Investment income on the other hand I think should be taxed considerably before retirement age.
The burden of student loans crushes more of people you refer to than taxes.

Your point is correct about sheltering the wealthy with low rates for long term capital gains and qualified dividends. The carried interest break is unconscionable. These are tax breaks for the wealthy. Income is income; tax it all the same.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:35 AM
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Bernie and Senator Amy Klobuchar to debate Senators Graham and Cassidy's version of TrumpCare live on CNN Monday night. Dem leadership is not happy, fearing the narrative will be framed as socialism health insurance versus free market health insurance as the only options, and socialism is a dirty word.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...op-repeal-bill
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:39 AM
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Dem leadership is not happy, fearing the narrative will be framed as socialism health insurance versus free market health insurance as the only options, and socialism is a dirty word.
You're never going to win a heavyweight prize fight hiding underneath the spit bucket.

As Zeyk's mentioned, Medicare is an unassailable brand in this country (and this misadventure in repeal has made Medicaid quite popular too). It will be hard to brand Medicare for All as SOCIALISM! so easily, to make no mention of the fact that millennials in particular don't find the word SOCIALISM! to even be a negative.

More to the point, though, it's a rare opportunity for Democrats to draw a clear distinction on values where I think they'll waffle the Republicans in the argument. They just need to stick to what I said last night:

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A health care for profit system inevitably collapses unless they're allowed to exclude the elderly and the infirm because those demographics simply aren't profitable. So it comes down to a simple decision based on a person's basic values: do you believe the market should be allowed to let people die prematurely in order to make greater profits or do you believe that we should have universal coverage? You can't have both.

Do you think the insurance companies have a right to let someone's grandma and grandpa die so that some CEO can buy a nicer private jet? Yes or no?
That's a debate Democrats win.
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