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Old 08-13-2020, 10:55 PM
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Schwarzeneggar not born in US and no US born parents = cannot become President

Harris born in US therefore natural born citizen = is able to become President
Gotcha, you explained how they were different. My mind immediately defaults to a comparison being about similarities.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:04 AM
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We will never get the truth, but you know how all the right wing conspirators made the (proven false) claims that if someone tested positive and died in a car crash they called it Covid? Evidence more and more is pointing to a substantial undercount of deaths. Where is our resident Trump supporter when we need him?

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Across the United States, at least 200,000 more people have died than usual since March, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is about 60,000 higher than the number of deaths that have been directly linked to the coronavirus.

As the pandemic has moved south and west from its epicenter in New York City, so have the unusual patterns in deaths from all causes. That suggests that the official death counts may be substantially underestimating the overall effects of the virus, as people die from the virus as well as by other causes linked to the pandemic.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...deaths-us.html
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:14 AM
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We will never get the truth, but you know how all the right wing conspirators made the (proven false) claims that if someone tested positive and died in a car crash they called it Covid? Evidence more and more is pointing to a substantial undercount of deaths. Where is our resident Trump supporter when we need him?



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...deaths-us.html
More "fake news" from the failing NYT. You should rely on bloggers, not trained journalists for the "facts" you choose to believe. Facebook and other highly vetted social media should be everybody's go to source.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:27 AM
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We will never get the truth, but you know how all the right wing conspirators made the (proven false) claims that if someone tested positive and died in a car crash they called it Covid? Evidence more and more is pointing to a substantial undercount of deaths. Where is our resident Trump supporter when we need him?



https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...deaths-us.html
My boss has been complaining that they're putting 'Covid' as COD when someone who caught it dies of another illness, keep pointing out that instead of looking at it as a virus that kills you directly to look at it like AIDS where it just makes it easier for everything else to kill you but thus far he's not accepting that reality.
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:49 PM
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One of my FB friends posted something today, that what if the testing being done is not to see if you HAVE the COVID19, but to INFECT you with it to hurt Donald Trump's re-election chances?

That's some serious Q_Anon shit right there
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:59 PM
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One of my FB friends posted something today, that what if the testing being done is not to see if you HAVE the COVID19, but to INFECT you with it to hurt Donald Trump's re-election chances?

That's some serious Q_Anon shit right there
It's true. I know a guy whose brother works with a girl that goes to Pure Barre Zoom classes with some girls who do clerical work for a chiropractor and he says he went to the vet to get his parakeet checked out and within a week both he AND the parakeet got a letter stating they tested positive for COVID! The media won't tell you that, nor will they talk about how Tom Hanks and Lady Gaga are hiding in Greece with a basement full of stolen kids making them sew masks for the Illuminati. #savethechildren #pizzagate #christianmotherpatriot
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Old 08-14-2020, 02:34 PM
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One of my FB friends posted something today, that what if the testing being done is not to see if you HAVE the COVID19, but to INFECT you with it to hurt Donald Trump's re-election chances?

That's some serious Q_Anon shit right there
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:56 PM
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I'm sure you've all be following the latest Trump shenanigans with the USPS and how he's openly admitted in an interview that his intent is to make it impossible to conduct voting by mail reliably and equitably. This is obviously just the latest Trump scam along with Kushner and a cadre of Republican lawyers trying to get Kanye West on the ballot in several states, which West has admitted is for the sole purpose of hurting the Biden campaign and the usual old 2016 vintage witch's brew of voter suppression and soliciting foreign campaign interference.

And the thing that really bothers me about this is that the corporate media still wants to treat this like it's a horserace for ratings. And that's problematic for democracy and overlooks a few things that I think have become crystal clear this week.

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Live interview polls this week... Fox News +7 Biden, Marist +11 Biden, Monmouth +10 Biden... Pretty clear picture there... A Biden advantage around or a bit less than 10 in the live interview polls.
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/...789997057?s=20

We're ~3 weeks from Labor Day and the race hasn't really budged a whole lot since Biden really consolidated his support roughly five seconds after Don Trump tear gassed a priest and beat the crap out of a bunch of peaceful protestors in order to have a creepy photo op holding a Bible like a shot put in front of a church. The state polls go up and down within the MOE and the national polls go up and down within the MOE, but I would argue to you there's been remarkable stability in the data, which makes total sense when some of the polling data tells us 55% of Americans have already decided they'd rather take a rusty chainsaw up the pooper than vote for Trump.

At this point, no sane person thinks Donald Trump can win the popular vote. Let's be very clear about that. Even before COVID and George Floyd back in the heady days of a less shitty late 2019 early 2020 America, nobody really thought Trump had a very good chance of actually getting more votes than Biden or any generic Democratic nominee. Even at that time, the whole media narrative (and Donnie's nightmare admonitions) mostly swirled around Trump concocting some formula that mixed a racist appeal to Upper Midwest whites, social media trickery, and economic sleight of hand to sneak out another Electoral College victory. But, no one really ever gave him any real shot at winning the popular vote. That, in of itself, is a pretty damning tell in a country that is supposed to be a democracy, BTW, and shows how fucked up our democracy has gotten from 2000 on, but I digress.

Now it's beginning to seem less and less plausible that Trump can even sneak out an Electoral College win. His strength in the Upper Midwest has evaporated and longtime Republican Sun Belt strongholds look poised to flip. And it's not just the state level polling that tells us these things, because in House district-level polling we're seeing massively shifted numbers from 2016 that portend the impending doom Trump and the Republican Party may be staring at in the face as their support not only crumbles down in the suburbs but is even starting to slowly erode in exurban and even some rural areas of the country, too.

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EW at @CookPolitical: 15 more House rating changes, including 11 in Democrats’ direction and 4 in Republicans’ direction.

We’ve now shifted 46 (!) House ratings in the past month, including 40 towards Ds.
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...104271361?s=20

And often times Biden is outperforming the Democratic House candidates and their low name-ID in these district-level polls that seem to portend the possibility, against all reason, that the Democrats could pick up even more House seats in a second blue wave after a historic House wave in 2018 where they probably scooped up about a good 90-95% of the seats that were plausibly gettable for the party. If things continue to remain stable into Labor Day and Biden just holds serve in the debates, most sane people now believe not only will Biden win the Electoral College comfortably, but that Democrats will probably win the Senate (margin TBD, and it's important to get to at least 51 or 52 seats) and probably net some more House seats, too.

And you can tell this is true because the Trump campaign gambits are getting more and more crazy and desperate. This Post Office thing is an insane ploy that ignores the degree to which it hurts people of all political stripes including rural communities and veterans, to whom the USPS is critical. They know they can't win the popular vote. They know they probably can't win the Electoral College either. They're trying to figure out some way to either hold the Senate or keep it 50/50 so they can pay off Joe Manchin to switch parties and/or stop filibuster reform. And part of what is fueling their insanity is that they know that 5 minutes after Joe Biden's hand goes off the Bible on Inauguration Day, state and federal law enforcement is going to start coming after the whole Trump/Republican corruption complex that has operated with impunity for the last three and a half years.

And yet, the media treats this like it's a fucking tennis match. Everyone can see the man can't win the popular vote and that the chances of scum bagging another Electoral College win are slim and none and slim is packing for a post Labor Day permanent sabbatical to one of the two remaining countries American slim can still go to in Donald Trump's COVID slathered 'Merica. The Trump campaign strategy therefore boils down to one thing at this point: CHEAT. The media acts like somehow this is a legitimate thing of strategic value in a political horse race, like he's some kind of Dennis the Menace-like rapscallion and not a would-be authoritarian fascist strongman trying to overthrow almost 250 years of American democracy.

And it's gotta stop. The media's got to stop treating this like a normal election and say what it is: Joe Biden's smoking Trump's sorry ass so badly that Trump is openly planning to cheat to win like some petty third world African dictator. Like Idi Amin only orange and dumber. It cannot be tolerated, and the unbelievable danger of this moment should lead us all to conclude that whatever extraordinary steps the Democrats may need to take after Trump to enact a more robust VRA along with (possibly) immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship along with (possibly) statehood for DC and Puerto Rico ALONG WITH about a zillion new anti-corruption laws as antidotes to anything like Trump happening ever again are 100% warranted. This isn't Belarus or Turkey or Hungary, and the media has a responsibility in this moment to make sure it doesn't turn into that, and nobody should shame anybody on the left for trying to insure we never have to go through another four years of pure, uncut batshittery like this ever again.
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:09 PM
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Speaking of the 'rona, Friday was a relatively good weekday with only 1,120 deaths reported. Looking under the hood, Florida's numbers are about where you'd expect them to be (229), Texas continues slowly decelerating from their peak (233), and Georgia had a light day (35). Florida's half a million active COVID cases, btw, are bonkers. The next closest state (California) only has a dash over 350,000 active cases... and to be clear, California has conducted way more testing per capita than Florida, so that ain't the reason.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

We head into the weekend at 171,535 deaths.

Oh, and...

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3:31 p.m.: People who have tested positive for COVID-19 protected for 3 months: CDC

People who have been infected with the coronavirus and recovered are protected for up to three months and can safely interact with others, according to new guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

It was the first definitive timeline the agency has offered regarding any type of immunity.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronaviru...l_twitter_abcn

Three months of antibody immunity to this thing is piss poor, meaning until we get a vaccine or therapeutics we're going to remain a prisoner to COVID.
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:13 PM
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I read a great article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/u...istianity.html
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