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Old 07-16-2017, 01:21 PM
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Not looking for government help, because he already has it.
"I've got mine"-ism is a terrible disease for a society.

For the record, while I'm being accused of personally wanting government to give me a partridge in a pear tree, I'd like to remind folks I'm the one on this board running a small business that employs 60 people and had gross revenue of just a shade under $8M last year. For anybody to imply that I'm some sort of freeloader is just laughable.

Seriously, when I read what Waiver originally wrote on the other thread I literally laughed out loud. He's becoming an unhinged, frothing at the mouth caricature of an ugly alt-right troll. It's quite stunning, really, how quickly and easily he's folded in with that crowd.

Here's the thing, though. Unlike a lot of "job creators" who have contracted dire cases of "I've got mine"-ism, I am happy to tell you nobody succeeds in life without at least a little help along the way.

My graduate school was financed with (at first) low interest student loans. Then Dubya got in and the Republicans in Congress allowed the banks to jack the interest rates to the moon and I had to pay a very nice luxury automobile-worth of student loans off once I completed school, which took nine years to complete. So I can say, authoritatively, it's important to assist young people in getting a quality education AND it's equally important for them to have a fair start in their adult lives by not making them indentured servants to the big banks that provide student loans.

When my house flooded in 2009 because of one of the biggest rain events to hit the area in 100 years, we got a small one time FEMA disaster payment and a very low interest SBA disaster loan in order to repair the house. At that time, simply reaching into pocket and forking over $40-50K to replace damage on a house that had it's first floor two feet underwater was simply impractical. The SBA loan was paid back within 10 years and only a very horrible person would begrudge someone for getting a little help to get through a tough time having faced a natural disaster. So, again, I can say authoritatively how important it is to make sure people who are victims of an unforeseen act of God have some assistance if misfortune happens to strike them through no fault of their own.

And in 2016, we got an SBA loan in order to buy the business. It's not like myself and my business partners simply had multi-millions of dollars sitting around in a pile. A lot of small business entrepreneurs need the help the government provides through helping them secure capital at low interest rates in order to be able to afford getting off the ground. So, again, I can speak authoritatively how important it is to provide business start-ups the support they need so they can become revenue generators and provide employment opportunities to others.

That's to say nothing of the VA loans my father had access to as an Army veteran to help us get into a good home when I was a kid of the excellent health care and other benefits his being in a labor union helped provide to our family.

Here's the part Waiver won't admit to you. I guarantee there's 3-4 examples of times in his life where government programs helped assist him in getting through rough patches or getting his ambitions up off the ground. Hell, there's probably another 3-4 ways that he's not even aware of, too. Easily. There's no such thing as a purely 100% self-made person. That doesn't mean government is a game show give away, it means government is there to invest in its people to make sure that the conditions are favorable for them to work together toward a healthier, more just, and more prosperous society. That doesn't mean everybody's entitled to be a millionaire with a big house with a pool. What it does mean is that, where it makes sense, such as in health care or retirement pensions or small business start-up capital, where government can assist providing necessary services that aren't easily provided by the free market (or provided at all, such as care for the really elderly or really sick) it should. It's the moral thing to do, and it's the economically smart thing to do, and it's the American thing to do.
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Old 07-16-2017, 03:42 PM
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What I'd like to see as a government service would be to make all Post Offices banks for communities that are wholly unbanked or underbanked resulting in people having to go to payday loan/check cashing places instead.
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Old 07-16-2017, 04:23 PM
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The magic of that idea, which is one Bernie Sanders obviously took with him on the campaign trail, is we have a lot of building stock and personnel in the US Postal Service that have become obsolete because of automation and the proliferation of e-mail. Their business has skewed more toward package delivery only for online orders, so there's not the same need for all of these business to consumer points of service. Postal banking utilizes that extra building stock and personnel in a pretty effective way, and secure facilities like post offices aren't completely different than banks. The retrofit and retraining costs will be modest.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:27 PM
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I think there needs to be further research on why this is occurring.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:19 PM
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I think there needs to be further research on why this is occurring.
They been smoking far too much weed.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:34 PM
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"I've got mine"-ism is a terrible disease for a society.

For the record, while I'm being accused of personally wanting government to give me a partridge in a pear tree, I'd like to remind folks I'm the one on this board running a small business that employs 60 people and had gross revenue of just a shade under $8M last year. For anybody to imply that I'm some sort of freeloader is just laughable.

Seriously, when I read what Waiver originally wrote on the other thread I literally laughed out loud. He's becoming an unhinged, frothing at the mouth caricature of an ugly alt-right troll. It's quite stunning, really, how quickly and easily he's folded in with that crowd.

Here's the thing, though. Unlike a lot of "job creators" who have contracted dire cases of "I've got mine"-ism, I am happy to tell you nobody succeeds in life without at least a little help along the way.

My graduate school was financed with (at first) low interest student loans. Then Dubya got in and the Republicans in Congress allowed the banks to jack the interest rates to the moon and I had to pay a very nice luxury automobile-worth of student loans off once I completed school, which took nine years to complete. So I can say, authoritatively, it's important to assist young people in getting a quality education AND it's equally important for them to have a fair start in their adult lives by not making them indentured servants to the big banks that provide student loans.

When my house flooded in 2009 because of one of the biggest rain events to hit the area in 100 years, we got a small one time FEMA disaster payment and a very low interest SBA disaster loan in order to repair the house. At that time, simply reaching into pocket and forking over $40-50K to replace damage on a house that had it's first floor two feet underwater was simply impractical. The SBA loan was paid back within 10 years and only a very horrible person would begrudge someone for getting a little help to get through a tough time having faced a natural disaster. So, again, I can say authoritatively how important it is to make sure people who are victims of an unforeseen act of God have some assistance if misfortune happens to strike them through no fault of their own.

And in 2016, we got an SBA loan in order to buy the business. It's not like myself and my business partners simply had multi-millions of dollars sitting around in a pile. A lot of small business entrepreneurs need the help the government provides through helping them secure capital at low interest rates in order to be able to afford getting off the ground. So, again, I can speak authoritatively how important it is to provide business start-ups the support they need so they can become revenue generators and provide employment opportunities to others.

That's to say nothing of the VA loans my father had access to as an Army veteran to help us get into a good home when I was a kid of the excellent health care and other benefits his being in a labor union helped provide to our family.

Here's the part Waiver won't admit to you. I guarantee there's 3-4 examples of times in his life where government programs helped assist him in getting through rough patches or getting his ambitions up off the ground. Hell, there's probably another 3-4 ways that he's not even aware of, too. Easily. There's no such thing as a purely 100% self-made person. That doesn't mean government is a game show give away, it means government is there to invest in its people to make sure that the conditions are favorable for them to work together toward a healthier, more just, and more prosperous society. That doesn't mean everybody's entitled to be a millionaire with a big house with a pool. What it does mean is that, where it makes sense, such as in health care or retirement pensions or small business start-up capital, where government can assist providing necessary services that aren't easily provided by the free market (or provided at all, such as care for the really elderly or really sick) it should. It's the moral thing to do, and it's the economically smart thing to do, and it's the American thing to do.
Nothing like moving the goal post there pete. What did you or your dad receive that was free? Not one thing, as you have or you are in the process of repaying those loans. Just like your father did. Much better than those that now want the government to forgive their student loans entirely.....no questions asked.

I see that you and Donnie are thinking alike again.....like dummies.

A pension is not a government hand out. It is something that your employer offers you and in return you provide them a service. Fail to provide the service and get fired prior to being pension eligible (10 years when I started) you lose it all. That is something that is not free, so try again.

I have never taken a hand out. I paid for my 4 years of college, 2 of which were out of state so there was a higher tuition. And no, my parents were never in a position to help me.

You see I went to work at the age of 15. During the summer when I was 15 I worked a full time job and was still able to find time for drivers training. When it was time for me to go to college my first 2 years were at a JR College in order to save money.

My last semester at USF I was able to complete my 40 weekly hours of internship, work a fulltime night job and drive Carter around for a week.

I also could not walk with my class as that was the day I started my first day in law enforcement and I received my degree in the mail several weeks later.


So would you like to try again???
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:28 PM
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If I was a media consultant, I would advise MSNBC, CNN etc to ease back on their 24/7 coverage of Trump, Russia, the Trump Jr meeting etc to about 15 minutes of every hour. And for the other 45, hammer home how terrible the new TrumpCare GOP bill will be for the millions of people in Trump World that rely on it for their health care. They don't care that much about Russia and what it means, or the special counsel investigation. But they will care when their local rural hospital closes and they are forced to travel 250 miles for medical care, plus pay double for the privilege. Hammer home Trump's campaign promises via commercials that he is not gonna touch Medicaid, and that your healthcare will be cheaper with more options, and provide examples of what their current coverage will be under the proposals. How even the insurance providers say the Ted Cruz addition to the bill is unsustainable and will price millions out of even basic coverage if they have a pre-existing condition.

This is not #FakeNews, but will be #Reality for many of the people that voted for this charlatan, thinking he was different than any other DC politician. In a way, I feel sorry for those that were duped, but have no sympathy for those who continue to defend this imposter as he leads them over a cliff.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:57 PM
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You're talking to and about Waiver's daughter ... but he doesn't give a shit. Because, Gorsuch.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:46 PM
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I guarantee there's 3-4 examples of times in his life where government programs helped assist him in getting through rough patches or getting his ambitions up off the ground.

He gave you two examples in his own warped diatribe that he never received government subsidies.

I guess one of the things they didn't teach WW at USF is that his tuition was reduced because the school receives a government subsidy. So, there is one example of where he received government assistance. I'm guessing that junior college was a second.

Buy a house? Where did the bank get the money for the mortgage? FHA? VA? Even if they didn't sell the loan to a government agency, the mortgage rate was still reduced by the government insuring their loans.

And of course, WW still refuses to acknowledge that his entire employment was subsidized by the government tax payers and that his pay and pension is much higher than those doing similar work in the private sector.

He's a perfect example of the mindset that the stuff the government gives me is good, stuff others get from the government is bad.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:23 PM
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It reminds you of the folks who say they hate government intervention in health care but then tell you they'll cut anyone who touches their Medicare.

Two more Republican Senators just defected on the Senate health care bill, pushing the number up to four. McConnell's in a tough spot, because there will be a temptation for more to pile on now.
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