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Old 07-03-2018, 05:34 PM
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Even if we accept Waiver’s heavily manipulated “alternate facts”, what he just told you is that family separation during the Obama Administration was temporary and due to lack of facilities, NOT the policy goal. Trump was deliberately kidnapping children and throwing them in wire cages as the definitive policy of his administration... a “deterrent” per Sessions’ policy speech to discourage people from trying to immigrate to the US. So, even if you accept Waiver’s own cherry picked and centrifuge spun “facts” he just confessed to you all he’s comparing an apple to one big, maggot-encrusted human rights abusing orange.
And pete admitted he lied
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Old 07-03-2018, 05:42 PM
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Reading is fundamental WW. It didn’t say what you said it did


This photograph dates from 2014 (during the Obama administration) and was not directly related to a mid-2018 controversy over Trump administration policy of separating children from undocumented migrant parents at the U.S. border. The picture was one of several that accompanied an Arizona Republic article about a detention center for undocumented migrant children in Nogales, Arizona.

What this photograph depicts is not a “concentration camp” as the term is most commonly used (i.e., a facility where “political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution”) but rather a temporary holding facility/processing center for undocumented children who were apprehended entering the U.S. by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) during the height of an unprecedented surge of child migration from Central America that took place in 2014.

It says nothing about separating children from their parents.
HAHAHAHAHA...…..its one of the same facilities they are using now Donnie. Face facts. Listen to Johnson. They did it back then and it continues today at a much larger scale.

Who gives a rats ass who started it. It just needs to stop. But how do you stop it without opening up the borders?

So is that your solution? Open borders no matter what happens? I know that is how pete feels.

Open borders to run all the guns and drugs you want.


Or the Zeyk wants...……...the Feinstein amendment that he has spoken so highly of...……...yup the one that makes it illegal for a Boarder Patrol agent to stop and/or arrest anyone within 120 miles of the boarder. Yeah that's a real bright idea. But then Zeyk and pete are all about a socialist government. Maybe pete will give those on this board 49% of his company and the government 30%. Isn't that the socialist way.....share with all.
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:24 PM
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Are you high? All I did was point out that even if I accept your "alternate facts" (and I don't) exactly as you presented them, the Trump policy was a departure from and not a continuance of the Obama policy. That's what YOU wrote: that any family separation during Obama's administration was due to lack of facilities. It was NOT the policy of the Obama administration to separate families by choice (again, that's even by your own "alternate facts"). Trump's policy was to DELIBERATELY snatch kids from their parents and chuck them in wire cages as a "deterrent" to immigrants.

And, again, I'll point out the common sense way to ascertain why everything you've posted is BS. If the policy was just a continuation of the Obama policy, WHY would Jeff Sessions have had an event touting it? Jeff Sessions. America's most racist Keebler Elf. Member of the Trump Administration, which has on background described the Trump Doctrine as having the core policy of, "Fuck Obama" (their words, not mine). Does any of that pass the sniff test? Nope. Have you be ladling up large quantities of Trumpist Kool Aid? Yep.

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Reading is fundamental WW. It didn’t say what you said it did

This photograph dates from 2014 (during the Obama administration) and was not directly related to a mid-2018 controversy over Trump administration policy of separating children from undocumented migrant parents at the U.S. border. The picture was one of several that accompanied an Arizona Republic article about a detention center for undocumented migrant children in Nogales, Arizona.

What this photograph depicts is not a “concentration camp” as the term is most commonly used (i.e., a facility where “political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution”) but rather a temporary holding facility/processing center for undocumented children who were apprehended entering the U.S. by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) during the height of an unprecedented surge of child migration from Central America that took place in 2014.

It says nothing about separating children from their parents.
You mean Waiver's "alternate facts" weren't true!? Stellasplace1.com let us all down!? Qu'elle surprise!!!

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HAHAHAHAHA...…..its one of the same facilities they are using now Donnie.
The debate isn't about the facilities, it's about the policy, and you've been exposed dude. The Trump policy is NOT a continuance of an Obama policy, as you contended. Confess you were wrong and that you were peddling BS.

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So is that your solution? Open borders no matter what happens? I know that is how pete feels.

Open borders to run all the guns and drugs you want.

Or the Zeyk wants...……...the Feinstein amendment that he has spoken so highly of...……...yup the one that makes it illegal for a Boarder Patrol agent to stop and/or arrest anyone within 120 miles of the boarder. Yeah that's a real bright idea. But then Zeyk and pete are all about a socialist government. Maybe pete will give those on this board 49% of his company and the government 30%. Isn't that the socialist way.....share with all.
And just as the squid inks to try to mask its get away when it's afraid, Waiver throws out a bunch of personal attacks and complete BS when he gets his pants taken down and spanked in a debate.

I'd love to know what more egalitarian liberal economic and social safety net policies have to do with border enforcement policy. Oh, right, they have f' all to do with each other and you're just pissing ink to try to scurry away from a fight you're losing.

For the record, I haven't taken a detailed policy on immigration policy on this board beyond the rather common sense and humane belief that you shouldn't kidnap children from their parents and stick them in wire cages, anymore than you should retweet anti-semites and racists, endorse the handiwork of agents of hostile authoritarian foreign governments, or full-throatedly defend self-confessed sexual predators... Waiver.
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:40 PM
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The Feinstein Amendment is a compromise in the first place. ICE and the DHS shouldn't exist. They were created out of fear and they regularly infringe on the rights of Americans and non-Americans alike. Their benefits do not outweigh their cost in money and in blood/tears.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:13 PM
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Robert Reich makes many good points. Like this one:

https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1014276831384465409
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:24 PM
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Who gives a rats ass who started it.
It obviously means a great deal to you because you are inventing facts in a false attempt to blame President Obama for a Trump policy.

It means a great deal to me because this Nazi pig needs to be held accountable for crimes against humanity.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:38 PM
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But how do you stop it without opening up the borders?
The system before ICE existed worked fine. Crossing the border illegally was a civil offense instead of a criminal one and those who were here simply working and not causing trouble were left alone while the ones who were actively committing crimes were jailed and then deported.
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The Feinstein Amendment is a compromise in the first place. ICE and the DHS shouldn't exist. They were created out of fear and they regularly infringe on the rights of Americans and non-Americans alike. Their benefits do not outweigh their cost in money and in blood/tears.
I am in favor of burning both of them as well as reigning in what the NSA is allowed to do domestically.
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Old 07-03-2018, 08:09 PM
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Another thing to keep in mind, prior to 9/11 laborers from Mexico would cross the border and work the fields during the season and then go back home once the season ended.

Post 9/11 they locked that border down so they couldn't go back home as easily so that's is directly responsible for the rise in illegal immigrants staying in the country. Then when you throw them in jail for crossing the border without a passport and keep them there for an unjustly amount of time they become indoctrinated into our prison system and all of the good things that come with that and when we finally get around to deporting them we're no longer deporting a day laborer, we're sending back a gang member.
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Old 07-03-2018, 08:53 PM
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Am I the only one laughing that the ultra conservative sect of the Iranian government is a trusted news source for foxnews?
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