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Old 06-20-2019, 03:42 PM
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Bought tickets to go with my cousins in a couple of weekends for the upcoming Texas series, definitely want to go see the game now

They made sure they announced this when the team was away on a long road trip. If where you call home is completely arbitrary, you can't expect loyalty from your fans. Embarrassing, just leave already or sell the team

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Old 06-20-2019, 04:06 PM
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They have a NTC, I mean lease, with St. Pete. I don’t think this is anything more than a shot across the bow.

That said, if Tampa Bay is interested in keeping them, they better act NOW.
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Old 06-20-2019, 04:38 PM
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They have a NTC, I mean lease, with St. Pete. I don’t think this is anything more than a shot across the bow.

That said, if Tampa Bay is interested in keeping them, they better act NOW.



And do you really think the players would vote for this? Would you want to have an off season residence and then have to find other accommodations in 2 more locations? I know I sure would not.
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It’s so obvious the Rays want a stadium gifted to them. They aren’t going to get that here and have no intention of chipping in an appropriate amount. (The lease in St. Pete is a red herring. They could pay their way out of that if they really intended to spend serious money on this project.) See ya later guys.
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:23 PM
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What a fucking stupid idea. Just move please. This really cheeses me off.

I'm gonna laugh when they fail hard in Montreal too. I don't understand why that's the play.

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Old 06-20-2019, 05:30 PM
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It’s so obvious the Rays want a stadium gifted to them. They aren’t going to get that here and have no intention of chipping in an appropriate amount. (The lease in St. Pete is a red herring. They could pay their way out of that if they really intended to spend serious money on this project.) See ya later guys.
Economic Development 101.

If someone (anyone) could build a stadium and make money doing it, it would have already been built. The reality is that, other than weird situations, like the Yankees, it won’t cash flow. Face it, nobody likes dealing with the government, they do it because it’s the only way to make the deal work.

That said, there are other businesses that benefit from a stadium, restaurants, hotels, the jobs at the stadium and companies who will only locate here with significant amenities.

That’s why forward thinking communities are willing to subsidize teams. Most of the time it’s with hotel taxes, tax increment financing, and sales tax revenues. Asking the owner to pay the full freight ain’t happening here - not when other communities are willing to participate.
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:37 PM
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Economic Development 101.

If someone (anyone) could build a stadium and make money doing it, it would have already been built. The reality is that, other than weird situations, like the Yankees, it won’t cash flow. Face it, nobody likes dealing with the government, they do it because it’s the only way to make the deal work.

That said, there are other businesses that benefit from a stadium, restaurants, hotels, the jobs at the stadium and companies who will only locate here with significant amenities.

That’s why forward thinking communities are willing to subsidize teams. Most of the time it’s with hotel taxes, tax increment financing, and sales tax revenues. Asking the owner to pay the full freight ain’t happening here - not when other communities are willing to participate.
I have always had the opinion that MLB and the Players Association should save some of the money that the owners and players make and use it to fund their own stadiums. There is enough money to go around that we should not have to pay for them to reap so much money.
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State fairgrounds across from the soon to be 900 room hotel and casino. Winner!
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State fairgrounds across from the soon to be 900 room hotel and casino. Winner!
For those old enough to had been around in the 70's and 80's when MLB and I believe it was the Tampa Baseball Group completed several studies about a team's home. Tampa would draw almost 8,000 more per game than if the team was located across the bay.

One of the places was were old Al Lopez field was at. However the cheap Bucs owner would not give up the parking rights and want to collect those funds.

The Fair Grounds and the cow pasture to the northeast of the Fair Grounds were the 2 other top spots. Feeling was that you could draw from Orlando, Sarasota and Ocala areas as well as Hillsborough and Pinellas County.

But the City of St. Pete did not want to be out done as they were in landing the Bucs. They went ahead, against the wishes of the citizens, MLB and potential ownership groups and build that terrible junk heap.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:08 PM
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The way the Braves did it was to put the ballpark in Cobb at the heart of a huge mixed use development. I just don't know that Tampa Bay has enough affluent folks to make a similar development work, but that's the new paradigm. The team makes money as a developer off of everything that goes in around the ballpark.
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