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Old 07-12-2020, 05:31 PM
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I've been day drinking, and hit my head pretty severely a minute ago, but I think this is a really good idea.

I'd much rather have another Barclay Goodrow or Blake Coleman than a Steven Stamkos.

I mean, yeah, it would mean we become a much easier matchup, we would blow out our advantage down the middle, making TJ a Center again. We'd be blowing up our forward ranks in a team that is one of the 2-3 best positioned to compete for a Stanley Cup right now, but that would only get easier to do with more 30 point scorers with more intangibles than they know what to do with.

BUT, we probably wouldn't have to let TJ and his 30 points go in the expansion draft! Win-win!

AND, we could have somebody as good as say, a Sean Kuraly, in the fold! Who do you think is better? Our current future HOF Center, the best pure goal-scorer of his generation, and our all-time goals (soon to be points) leader, OR someone who can definitely pot upwards of 30 points a year? Give me the chance to raise our sandpaper levels from 200-300 grit, and I'll slap it on my orbital all day erry day.

"Sir Stephen(sic)" definitely needs to go.

Also, the bleeding in my head is getting worse, so I'm probably gonna have to go to the hospital.
Day drinking? Iím in. What could be better than an afternoon in the pool with a cooler of beer and a bottle of 1800 reposoda or and on on the side.
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Old 07-12-2020, 05:59 PM
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Day drinking? Iím in. What could be better than an afternoon in the pool with a cooler of beer and a bottle of 1800 reposoda or and on on the side.
Hmmmm. Could produce a frequency illusion, or rumination..but definitely one of the two.
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Old 07-12-2020, 07:01 PM
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Hmmmm. Could produce a frequency illusion, or rumination..but definitely one of the two.
Undoubtedly. Nothing to do tomorrow but a pile of tax returns for procrastinators.....
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:09 AM
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Lol, the last time he was below a point per game pace was the 2015 season. Yeah, im sure his stock is 0.
Folks, we got serious cap issues.
The way I see it, we trade a couple of our young rising stars or open up cap space with the loss of a big contract.

I love Stamkos, he takes a slapper in the face and returns to the game....and all he brings, he has been good.
But....he is oft injured and as pointed out above, he is at a point per game pace which makes.....
His stock or worth good. Desirable. To some team. The return, you get to keep the rising stars.
....or you could realistically lose Sergachev, Cirelli etc....I am not willing to do that.
Your call.

Stammer (or other heavy contract)... or lose some young talent.

I am not a cap specialist, but it appears those are the cards we have been dealt.
Look I am not going to argue with you experts but its not hard to see that we have serious cap issues.

Take a hard look at the Red Sox right now, they got rid of Mookie Freaking Betts...a GENERATIONAL player because of cap issues. Brought in a new GM who was in Tampa and now the faithful up here are freaking out because of the time it will take to build the "Rays North" while the Yanks buy and buy.

If Betts goes because of cap issues, Stamkos could too. That's not goofy, its just reality.

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Old 07-13-2020, 07:14 AM
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Folks, we got serious cap issues.
The way I see it, we trade a couple of our young rising stars or open up cap space with the loss of a big contract.

I love Stamkos, he takes a slapper in the face and returns to the game....and all he brings, he has been good.
But....he is oft injured and as pointed out above, he is at a point per game pace which makes.....
His stock or worth good. Desirable. To some team. The return, you get to keep the rising stars.
....or you could realistically lose Sergachev, Cirelli etc....I am not willing to do that.
Your call.

Stammer (or other heavy contract)... or lose some young talent.

I am not a cap specialist, but it appears those are the cards we have been dealt.
Look I am not going to argue with you experts but its not hard to see that we have serious cap issues.

Take a hard look at the Red Sox right now, they got rid of Mookie Freaking Betts...a GENERATIONAL player because of cap issues. Brought in a new GM who was in Tampa and now the faithful up here are freaking out because of the time it will take to build the "Rays North" while the Yanks buy and buy.

If Betts goes because of cap issues, Stamkos could too. That's not goofy, its just reality.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl...ng/ar-BB16A37O

You would honestly keep Tyler johnson/Alex killorn or tj/gourde over stamkos (keep in mind that either of those combinations net you more cap relief)? Since we are playing "waive your ntc" anyways.
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Old 07-13-2020, 08:14 AM
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Old 07-13-2020, 08:20 AM
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Gp - you still havenít given us one possible reason that would make Stamkos consider waiving his NMC.

Itís in the same category as Jessica Alba is getting a divorce to move in with Donnie D. Yeah, it could happen.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:23 AM
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Gp - you still haven’t given us one possible reason that would make Stamkos consider waiving his NMC.

It’s in the same category as Jessica Alba is getting a divorce to move in with Donnie D. Yeah, it could happen.
I cannot speak for Stamkos.
But you are likely correct, why would Stammer leave Tampa?
Obvious reasons like family, health, change of scenery, wants to win, make more $$ and on and on.

Reference article from a couple years ago to support your case when he signed.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...sion/86530384/

The only scenario I can envision is he is treated poorly, a toxic environment, or no chance to win the cup.
Gronk playing for the Patriots had a brilliant jackass head coach, but his body was beat up and he retired...but, wait, Brady in Tampa, a year off, feeling good, suddenly he is in. BTW, you will love this guy down there.

So no, I don't have a viable reason other then maybe he wants to go back home, can't see winning in Tampa....or more $$$.
But it still doesn't excuse JBB from not putting some feelers out there with other GM's.
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Sorry about the drunken fall and head injury, may as well crack another one, beer that is.

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Old 07-13-2020, 03:46 PM
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Or … or you could listen to everyone here who is telling you that this is an idea so ridiculously unrealistic, and you could just stop bringing it up. I don’t know. Maybe consider that.
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Old 07-13-2020, 04:27 PM
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Or … or you could listen to everyone here who is telling you that this is an idea so ridiculously unrealistic, and you could just stop bringing it up. I don’t know. Maybe consider that.
Where GP is trying to get to makes total sense. He's not wrong that significant salary will need to be shed in order to make the roster work next year with Cirelli/Serge/Cernak, all three of whom are now essential core pieces. Ironically Serge is the least essential with McD under contract, but he's also got the highest upside...

And he's not wrong that Stamkos has gotten hurt quite a bit.

HOWEVER, there are easier and less damaging ways to skin that cat. Killorn's modified NTC first and foremost means if we can get a taker from his list, that frees up 4.5M (less replacement costs). Then you look at the complimentary players and see where you can lose one or two of those salaries. To me, that narrows down to some combo of TJ/Gourde/Palat and frankly McDonagh if Serge and Hedman are going to anchor the left side for the next decade. And then there is the NTC that all of the above have. It may come down to who agrees to waive is the guy who gets dealt. My guess is that Gourde/TJ may be convinced as they are getting bottom 6 minutes and may want more playing time. But that is pure conjecture on my part. I'd also say Paquette is a goner, but that's only going to add .5-1M, so more to add flexibility and get Stephens a regular spot.

What you don't do is take out pieces of your core if you can help it, which Stamkos is. Without question.
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