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Old 07-10-2020, 09:08 PM
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Even with (I believe) a lot of obfuscation from the governors of states like Arizona, Florida, and Texas when it comes to the official statistics, Worldometer is showing the death toll getting back up to 850-950 a day over the past three days. And this is just the bill from ~20 days ago coming due. So, three weeks from now could be quite ugly.

And, the fact Georgia is reopening its emergency field hospital in the World Congress Center points to the fact that the experts believe once the threat abates in those states it's bound to flare up elsewhere.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/10/geor...on-center.html

Not a question of "if" it comes to your town, it's a question of "when", so long as there's no leadership up top to contain it.
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Old 07-10-2020, 09:48 PM
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Yep. And with the spread being such a given, plus what we’re seeing with children getting sick (and in some cases dying), the debate over opening schools is just starting to boil.

How many parents are going to be willing to sacrifice their children or (less hyperbolically) be comfortable sending them to schools like Guinea pigs? Today I heard a segment on NPR during which the host took calls from a school bus driver from Tennessee and a teacher (from somewhere I forget) expressing how few of them are willing to go. The driver, an elderly man, said most of his fellow drivers are elderly and drive to supplement their social security checks. They’re obviously at high risk, but he talked about how every year there’s at least one kid for every driver who pukes all over the bus. Or sometimes there are fights with blood spilled. As he said, there ain’t no protocol for none o’ that shit. Do you pull over immediately or finish the route? Does everyone quarantine until they get a negative test result? Who cleans that medical waste on the bus? What the fuck are they gonna do about the inevitable shortage of drivers?

The teacher had similar concerns, but being in a classroom with children for 7 hours opens everyone up to an even more vast set of possible infectious scenarios.

And then we have Gov. DiSastrous comparing going to school to going to Home Depot. He just keeps proving that you can’t put lipstick on a Trumper. At their core they aren’t capable of giving a flying fuck about whether you or your children live or die.

I’ve got an idea – how about on the first day of school we go on a general strike until enough of these death cult Republicans resign in shame? Seriously, people in this country DO need to start talking about a general strike. Shutting down the economy is about the only power we are guaranteed in this hellscape we call a nation.
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Old 07-10-2020, 10:20 PM
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Parents are very torn right now. I saw a Tweet earlier today that something approaching 1/3 of the mortgages in America missed at least one payment during the pandemic. There's no possibility of parents returning to work full time productively without school to look after their children during the day. The other side of the coin is, of course, the risk to the kids which is under reported right now but I suspect will be placed more top of mind as we get closer to first day of school.

Putting the kids aside, though: teachers are being loaded into the cannons as fodder if we go back to school normally in the Fall. Flat out. It'll be a slaughter, and I don't know how the education system recovers from the human loss if they're forced back to work right now. Children do have a lower mortality rate from COVID because they are typically less susceptible because they have fewer chronic illnesses and/or immune system impairments. The average age of a teacher in the US is early 40's, though, so you're going to have a higher prevalence of chronic illnesses and/or immune system issues among teachers. God forbid if you're a teacher who is 50+ and you have to choose between your profession and livelihood and the elevated possibility of taking a dirt nap.

And if/when teachers do get sick, where the heck are we going to find long-term substitute fill-ins and how can they possibly be effective?

Seriously, we're risking decapitating our public education system for a generation. I don't think it'll ultimately come to that in most states (Georgia's city school systems have started to announce they're staying home in the Fall this week), especially once parents get educated better about the risk to their kids and throw a GD fit. But good old "federalism" means if you will have some Trump lickspittle governors do what they've done with masks and try to force schools to re-open by fiat to appease Fat Elvis by countermanding local government's decisions.

If you've read the Rolling Stone article where they interviewed a bunch of Republican campaign consultants on background, the dumb-as-fuck oversimplified thinking in Trump world right now is that if they can get to single-digit unemployment and the stock market over 30,000 by the end of October, Trump's re-election is a lock. So they're moving all their bets to the center of the table on juicing those economic indicators, even though in doing so the IHME model says we're going to be sitting on 200,000 deaths by mid-to-late October (which seems to me the October not-so-much-a-surprise milestone that will put the last nail into Tubby the Wunder Fascist's political coffin). But that magical thinking along with praying Daddy Putin or Xi are going to hack the vote in their favor are about all they've got left right now, and they'll burn the damned country to the ground before they give up on those last pathetic scraps of hope.
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Old 07-10-2020, 10:23 PM
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Pretty depressing day.

Stone reminds Trump that the only reason he is about to go to jail is because he didnít tell them what he knew about the Presidentís involvement. Trump then commutes his sentence. If that isnít a quid pro quo, I donít know what is. And just one day after all members of the SCOTUS state, even in the dissenting opinion, that the President isnít above the law.

Barr eliminates the federal prosecutors who are investigating Trump for corruption. Donít forget that Barr is conducting an ongoing criminal prosecution of Obama, Biden and senior members of the Obama administration for spying on the Trump campaign. Itís been discredited, but would anyone put past them to indict Obama or Biden right before the election? If Comey cost Clinton the election, what would an actual indictment do?

I had someone say, that the reasonable members of the GOP would stop it. Really? What reasonable members? Romney and who else? Where were the reasonable members of the party when he colluded with the Russians? Put kids in cages? Interfered in the sentencing of Flynn? Fired 3 federal prosecutors investigating the Trumps? Said nazis were fine people? Ignored the fact that Russia was paying a bounty to murder American soldiers? Harassed Vindman out of the service? Gassed protesters for a publicity picture?

Any one of these scandals would take down any previous President. But these are just ignored by the majority party in the senate. Iím sorry, but every day I say it canít get worse and it does.

Iím just not convinced that he wonít cheat to get re-elected. And even if heís caught, it wonít make any difference.
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Old 07-10-2020, 10:43 PM
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Comey’s October Surprise resurfaced an existing perception of Clinton that had been meticulously fueled over more than two decades by the right wing media. It was the ringing of the bell that brought suburban Republicans and Independents to Trump like Pavlovian dogs.

Biden simply doesn’t present a big target for the wingers. They’ve gotten lazy after 12 years of running against a black guy and a woman leveraging these thinly veiled identity politics/culture attacks, and they have had real difficulty smearing an old white guy who, in his speech and mannerisms, is simply more folksy and relatable to the average voter than a narcissist/sociopath from Queens is.

There really is something bizarrely Reagan-esque about Biden 2020’s ability to contrast with his opponent and connect with voters.
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Old 07-10-2020, 10:48 PM
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Tucker Carlson's top writer resigns after secretly posting racist and sexist remarks in online forum
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/media...eff/index.html

Sad tromboooooooooooone.
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Old 07-11-2020, 09:11 AM
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70,000 cases. Up from 50,000 just days ago.

Contrast that with New Zealand who hasnít had a case in weeks. Today they are reopening their arenas. How did they do it? Masks, testing, contact tracing.

The science of mask wearing has been known for months. But so much time and effort has been wasted creating silly arguments to justify not wearing masks.

As cases explode, Republican governors are beginning to accept reality that they must institute mandatory mask ordinances. We see it in states like Texas and Mississippi. Yesterday Gov. Abbott threatened to reinstitute a stay at home order if citizens wonít comply with the mask order. In Texas. Even Trump is wearing one tomorrow at Walter Reid.

But the damage has been done. Trumps declaration that he wouldnít wear a mask made mask wearing a political, not scientific decision. It will be almost impossible to undo the damage because egos are now involved. Most people arenít capable of admitting they were wrong. Nothing short of strong mandates will allow these folks the cover to change their positions.

Kudos to Governor Abbott who was at least willing to admit that he was wrong and instituted a mask requirement. Our problem is that we donít have leaders on the national, state or local level here in Sarasota to swallow their pride.
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:21 AM
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New Zealand is perfection but they also had it quite a bit easier. Germany would be a more fair comparison. Bigger country, bigger start to the pandemic there, but they got it under control soon afterwards. They just reopened their schools, too. We'll see what happens but they've been far more measured and science-based in their response.

People here want things back to normal but refuse to put in the work to get there. So immature as a society. Want schools back? Want jobs back? Get the virus under control first. Stop skipping steps.

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Comeyís October Surprise resurfaced an existing perception of Clinton that had been meticulously fueled over more than two decades by the right wing media. It was the ringing of the bell that brought suburban Republicans and Independents to Trump like Pavlovian dogs.

Biden simply doesnít present a big target for the wingers. Theyíve gotten lazy after 12 years of running against a black guy and a woman leveraging these thinly veiled identity politics/culture attacks, and they have had real difficulty smearing an old white guy who, in his speech and mannerisms, is simply more folksy and relatable to the average voter than a narcissist/sociopath from Queens is.

There really is something bizarrely Reagan-esque about Biden 2020ís ability to contrast with his opponent and connect with voters.
Biden needs to have a good debate.
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Looking at the writing on Carlson's show I'm surprised he even bothered to post secretly
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