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Old 07-10-2018, 12:20 PM
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The Score is reporting that the Rangers are indeed the third team involved in a deal for Karlsson.

They are willing to take Callahan back as a salary dump.


https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1569360
Wow, what an acute (but not at all surprising) inability to comprehend.

First, the key word in the in the link you posted is the first word in the first sentence: “If” ... “If the New York Rangers are indeed the third party involved in a potential Erik Karlsson trade”

Second, you should always go to the primary report, in this case, Larry Brooks of the NY Post. Here’s his link: https://nypost.com/2018/07/09/ranger...or-each-other/

Here’s the entirety of what he reported:

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Talks between the Lightning and Senators regarding a potential Erik Karlsson trade have subsided. Indeed, Dallas has re-emerged as the most likely destination for the two-time Norris recipient if Ottawa moves him within the foreseeable future.

The Rangers, though, are maintaining a level of interest in bringing former captain Ryan Callahan back to New York if Tampa Bay feels the need to address looming 2019-20 cap issues. Callahan has two years at $5.8 million per remaining on his deal. General manager Jeff Gorton would presumably be seeking a draft sweetener in conjunction with obtaining Callahan.

No. 24’s recent history of injuries and rehab (including post-playoff right shoulder surgery that will likely sideline him for up to the first month of the season) mitigates against the Lightning being able to securely project Callahan for a 2019 buyout. The CBA prohibits buyouts of injured players.
I bolded the only fact that was reported (without a source, by the way). So there’s no truth to the Rangers “indeed” being the third team, only that they have a level of interest.

And by the way, any cap-relief trade the Bolts make would be a separate trade. Just so everyone understands, this idea that the Karlsson trade might require a third team has nothing to do with the Bolts. It’s all about finding a team to take Bobby Ryan off the Senators’ books.

Just wanted to clarify.
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Old 07-10-2018, 01:03 PM
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And by the way, any cap-relief trade the Bolts make would be a separate trade. Just so everyone understands, this idea that the Karlsson trade might require a third team has nothing to do with the Bolts. Itís all about finding a team to take Bobby Ryan off the Senatorsí books.

Just wanted to clarify.

That's not true. Karlsson has a hit of $6.5 next year. We have $3.5 in space. Even if you include Cirelli and Koekkoek in a deal, you have around $2 mil you need to clear out to fit Karlsson in for next year.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:44 PM
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I think what makes this so difficult is that we have no clue what the salary cap will look like in 19/20. Even subtracting the Callahan $5.8 million, you have about $61 million tied up in 7 forwards (Stamkos, Kucherov, Miller, Palat, Johnson, Killorn, Cirelli), 3 defensemen (Hedman, McDonagh, and Sergachev or Foote), and the two goalies + last season of the Carle buyout.

So you have to add a new contract with Point and 5 more forwards (if you have 13) and you have to add four defensemen (if you have 7). So roughly $20 million in cap space available for 10 contracts. We would need the cap to probably be around $84 million to comfortably fit a Karlsson contract even if we go young/cheap for all the remaining openings.

It becomes easier in 20/21 when you can potentially trade Killorn and potentially lose a contract (Johnson?) in expansion, but 19/20 is tough.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:00 PM
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We can safely add like 2 million though because of players escrow right?
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:42 PM
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I think what makes this so difficult is that we have no clue what the salary cap will look like in 19/20. Even subtracting the Callahan $5.8 million, you have about $61 million tied up in 7 forwards (Stamkos, Kucherov, Miller, Palat, Johnson, Killorn, Cirelli), 3 defensemen (Hedman, McDonagh, and Sergachev or Foote), and the two goalies + last season of the Carle buyout.

So you have to add a new contract with Point and 5 more forwards (if you have 13) and you have to add four defensemen (if you have 7). So roughly $20 million in cap space available for 10 contracts. We would need the cap to probably be around $84 million to comfortably fit a Karlsson contract even if we go young/cheap for all the remaining openings.

It becomes easier in 20/21 when you can potentially trade Killorn and potentially lose a contract (Johnson?) in expansion, but 19/20 is tough.
Just did this 2019-20 armchair team on capfriendly. Cap hit is $84.520m.

miller-stamkos-kucherov
palat-point(4.5m)-johnson
killorn-cirelli-joseph
katchouk-stephens-erne(900k)
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hedman-stralman(3.5m)
mcdonagh-karlsson(10m)
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:53 PM
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Forgot Sergachev and possibly Gourde.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:35 PM
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I think we can finally put the Karlsson thing to rest. He isnt coming here this summer. Maybe next.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:40 PM
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and here is was hoping we could go the whole week without a post in this thread!!!
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:32 PM
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I think we can finally put the Karlsson thing to rest. He isnt coming here this summer. Maybe next.
There's always the trade deadline... Maybe a slight lesson learned to SY for some of the contracts that have kind of limited him and what he can do at the moment in this current situation - if that's the problem - making cap room.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:11 PM
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This trade will get done mid season when Yzerman has the space to add Karlsson without involving another team to take on a cap dump.
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