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Old 05-31-2019, 08:04 AM
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And no, Mueller didn’t go an inch beyond his report regarding Trump’s potential criminality.
Anyone who actually read the report would know Mueller was pretty much reciting from it word for word and, as 1,000+ prosecutors have already weighed in, based on the report Trump would be sitting in jail for obstruction today but for the office he holds and that DOJ policy.
As an average American, I am more interested in a specific list of those crimes and the evidence that substantiates them.

Does the report itself contain the evidence, or a reference to evidence as you imply that the 1000 prosecutors would have him literally sitting in jail now?

If that was the case, it would seem like Pelosi would move forward with great urgency to make it so.
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:23 AM
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Yep.

And if Tdi had read the report or watched the press conference he would’ve known:

1.) Mueller said that he believed that he was not allowed to indict the POTUS by DOJ policy and because of that, basic fairness dictated he couldn’t outright come out and say “he obstructed justice and would be in jail if he wasn’t POTUS” because absent the criminal court process he’d have no means to respond to that charge and try to clear his name.

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2.) Mueller also said if he thought they could’ve cleared Trump of anything they would’ve said so... and they couldn’t.

Read between the lines: because he’s guilty as sin. The only thing Mueller didn’t say at that podium was, “Dammit people, do you need me to draw you a diagram or a treasure map?”

Hence why, upon a review of the report and the evidence contained therein, over 1,000 former prosecutors from across the political spectrum signed the letter saying Barr lied in his summary and that, in their opinion, Trump would be in jail for obstruction but for DOJ policy to not indict a sitting POTUS. Note that neither Tdi nor Waiver has ever addressed that letter’s endorsement by over 1,000 former prosecutors, Republicans and Democrats alike, because they know they have no answer for it. Experts know what they’re looking at, and they’re looking at a criminal POTUS.

So, Tdi, I guess over 1,000 former prosecutors are “fucking stupid” too? Or are they “ambulance chasers” too just because they dared to point out the obvious about your Cheeto Jesus, which is that he’s a colossal crook? Btw, did they ever take the staples out of your rectum from that time Maverick ripped it in six different directions for your having the balls to disrespect a real lawyer? Just wondering.

For everyone else, Bill Barr taped a 60 Minutes interview that’ll run on Sunday in which he’ll claim he thinks that Mueller couldn’t have indicted Trump but could’ve said Trump committed crimes despite the DOJ policy and the absence of legal recourse that would’ve allowed. When you hear/see that, ask yourself if a slimy son of a bitch like Barr really would’ve allowed Mueller to release the report if it outright called Trump a criminal? The answer is of course “no” given the way Barr has conducted himself as Trump’s personal flack. That won’t stop Tdi from posting six different Fox News stories about it, though, like a good compliant little lemming of minimal literacy and practically no critical thinking abilities of his own.
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:26 AM
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As an average American, I am more interested in a specific list of those crimes and the evidence that substantiates them.

Does the report itself contain the evidence, or a reference to evidence as you imply that the 1000 prosecutors would have him literally sitting in jail now?

If that was the case, it would seem like Pelosi would move forward with great urgency to make it so.
There are ten instances of potential obstruction of justice detailed extensively within the report. It’s all there waiting to be read. Go ahead and pick yourself up a copy.
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:33 AM
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As an average American, I am more interested in a specific list of those crimes and the evidence that substantiates them.

Does the report itself contain the evidence, or a reference to evidence as you imply that the 1000 prosecutors would have him literally sitting in jail now?

If that was the case, it would seem like Pelosi would move forward with great urgency to make it so.
And in case you haven’t read the DOJ Alumni’s letter, I’ll put the link here as well as the pertinent paragraph:

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Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.
https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statem...s-8ab7691c2aa1
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Old 05-31-2019, 09:05 AM
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The tariffs on Mexico will surely stop the illegals coming in. Sure, Donald.

Buckle up, folks.
Not high enough to impact Walmart, but his base will think it’s fantastic.

I’m old enough to remember when republicans believed in free trade - of course you only have to be 3 to remember that.
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Old 05-31-2019, 09:15 AM
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Not high enough to impact Walmart, but his base will think it’s fantastic.

I’m old enough to remember when republicans believed in free trade - of course you only have to be 3 to remember that.
Anybody with a Maquiladora manufacturing setup is gonna get hit by this I would think. So, not Walmart directly since they are a retailer, but any US manufacturer, especially of textiles, is gonna have essentially a 5% non-refundable VAT surcharge on their finished goods manufactured in Mexico. Mexico is a big manufacturer of shoes from what I understand, as well as a zillion other products. It's an additional input cost to manufacturers of everything from TVs to vanilla extract. That will 100% be borne by US consumers. US manufacturers will get hit with a demand reduction as a result of the increased cost (Macro Econ 101). Keep in mind, those are manufacturing jobs that left the US because labor costs in the US would make the products too expensive and would lose market share to foreign competitors.

For no real reason other than that dear leader thinks illegal immigration is the great scourge facing this nation (still waiting to see anything beyond anecdotal evidence to back that BTW).

That's the bullshit that ole Donny T doesn't understand (which puts it with seemingly everything from basic economics to anything above 2nd grade level reading comprehension). These tariffs are hurting US manufacturers and ultimately consumers. Yes, the tariffs hurt China and Mexico, but it is inflicting similar damage on the US. That's why any economist with more than 2 brain cells (so, not Larry Kudlow) knows they are the worst available option, and wind up being deleterious overall.
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Old 05-31-2019, 09:36 AM
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Kudlow knows. That’s why he called Trump a moron.

They are all willing to put up with this in return for their tax cuts and a conservative court system. They are putting in place the infrastructure for a business friendly court system that will gut civil rights, voting rights and environmental policy for the long term preservation of the business class.
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Old 05-31-2019, 11:50 AM
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A little logic for those who can’t see the obvious.

https://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/d...muellers-logic
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Old 05-31-2019, 12:45 PM
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I don’t have a computer here on vacation, so someone please help Donnie imbed that cartoon in a post, because it’s perfect.
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Old 05-31-2019, 12:48 PM
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A little logic for those who can’t see the obvious.

https://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/d...muellers-logic
I would think that a substantial portion of trump followers probably won't know what "ergo" means.
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