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Old 04-30-2019, 07:13 PM
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And this is damning to Rosenstein, who really does appear to have gone onto the Trump team's payroll after McCabe dropped the dime on him about volunteering to wear a wire...

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REMEMBER: Rod ROSENSTEIN said less than three weeks ago that it was "bizarre" to say Barr was misleading anyone. Mueller sent his letter a month ago.
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...77775111491588

Sure does seem like Rosenstein joined the cover up.
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:32 PM
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What is up with all this demanding the full Mueller Report and wanting it now? Certain material can not be released, it is that plain and simple.

But then you have those screaming that out of 300+ pages we were given a "book report" by Barr and that we do not want to see Barr's words, but we want to see what Mueller wrote.

Well, it takes time to get the report right before it can be released. Barr has said time after time that he would release as much as possible under the law. We all know that in due time someone will go to the courts and an order will be issued for a more complete report. But as it is now certain things must be redacted.

Let us remember how soon after the BuzzFeed article Mueller took the unprecedented step with a press release and stated the article was false. Do you not think that this man (Mueller), with the reputation he has, would not do the same thing to Barr if Barr was misquoting or misleading us with statements that Mueller did not agree with?
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:12 PM
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So... another question for everyone. If we now know that Barr lied his fat rear end off in characterizing the Mueller Report as exonerating Trump (when it explicitly does not), should we assume his characterization that the Trump campaign was "spied on" without any backing proof was also a lie?

Yes, yes we should.

The AG of the United States is a liar and a crook.

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I note with interest AG Barr’s 4/10 Senate testimony. “Q: Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion? A: I don’t know whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion.” Now it appears that Mueller objected in this 3/27 letter.
https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/s...78879178133504

Lied. To. Congress.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:23 PM
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Barr's office is also blocking/slow walking Mueller testifying to Congress.

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“The Attorney General has expressed some reluctance to appear before the House Judiciary Committee this Thursday,” Nadler said. “These reports make it that much more important for him to appear and answer our questions. The Department of Justice has also been reluctant to confirm a date for Special Counsel Mueller to testify.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert...er&via=desktop

But it will happen, just as I foretold.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:30 PM
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Someone should tell Bill Barr the story of John N. Mitchell.

Also, someone should probably pay attention to Trump, Pompeo, Bolton et al, trying to start a war with Venezuela to distract from the shit news cycle they're having.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:39 PM
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Someone should tell Bill Barr the story of John N. Mitchell.

Also, someone should probably pay attention to Trump, Pompeo, Bolton et al, trying to start a war with Venezuela to distract from the shit news cycle they're having.
They knew this was coming. There's a reason Barr's been fighting testifying under House counsel questioning and there's a reason Rosenstein pulled the rip cord on his resignation when he did. They've been sitting on this letter for over a month and they knew it was about to leak out.

Barr knows he's liable to perjure himself (again) and Rosenstein's trying to sneak out the back door before he gets his ass hauled up to the hot seat, too. They both may very well already be fully implicated as accessories to Trump's obstruction.

House Democrats have to take the initiative now. They've got these bastards red handed. Now they just have to nut up, follow through, and drop the hammer on these dirt bags.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:47 PM
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There is no doubt that Barr purposefully mislead the public with his "Summary" non-summary. He also materially lied before Congress while under oath.

He and Rosenstein should be subpoenaed and held to account. AG Barr should be removed from office period. Criminal investigations into how they abetted Trump's Obstruction. Of course, for that to matter, Congress would have to conclude that there was Obstruction.

I'm not opposed to full-blown televised hearings of Trump's obstruction and the roles Rosenstein and Barr have played in the coverup.

The way I'm reading this is that Barr got a referral for impeachment and then went about lying for the President to the public and Congress to claim he didn't receive an Impeachment Referral.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:56 PM
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More or less correct. The thing is, this could be so much worse for Trump now the way they've handled this. There's two potentially watershed moments coming up when Mueller and McGahn finally testify in front of the House. Both are colossal landmines and have the potential to end Trump's political career and eventually cost him his freedom whenever he's no longer POTUS and free to be indicted.
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Old 04-30-2019, 10:57 PM
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You're a f'ing liar. Full stop. The Mueller Report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction of justice. EXPLICITLY did not exonerate Trump on obstruction of justice, and in fact a reading of the report leads many to the conclusion the only thing keeping Trump out of jail right now is the fact DOJ policy doesn't allow for the indictment of a sitting President. Hell, it EXPLICITLY doesn't exonerate Trump on collusion, because it spells out in detail that collusion isn't in the federal criminal statutes. The Mueller Report only examined a very narrow scope of whether or not there was direct conspiracy. Read the report: plenty of collusion all over the place. Some evidence of conspiracy. But, not enough to take a case to court and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt... and that's partly because of the obstructive acts by Trump and his confederates to cover up the truth that included: outright lying, refusing to be interviewed, refusing to answer questions, taking the 5th, and destruction of evidence. It's all in the report.

Don't believe me, though, re: obstruction ask Sally Yates:



https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...-of-justice-if

I'm going to reiterate what I said:
Yo' high honors, (twice): Mueller's report is not meant to exonerate! They only exonerated on the collusion, of which there was none by the way despite your two years of posting lies, so that they could state that they could not exonerate on obstruction, (and give their sycophants something to replace the obliterated collusion BULLSHIT with), but they did not charge obstruction so..NO OBSTRUCTION!!!!

As for Yates, I did not know that she was "slip & fall's, 'esquire', " classmate from the "Cracker Jack School of Law"!!!??? Do yourself a favor and read up on the Presidential authority to fire anyone within the executive branch. (Alan Dershowitz said that he would give any of his law students a C- for trying to make an obstruction case out of this... right in line with "slip & fall, 'esquire', " postings... I guess ol' Sally also is doing the Alma mater proud as well!
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Old 04-30-2019, 10:59 PM
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Mueller not happy with Barr, folks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ance-of-probe/

Censure Barr and begin an investigation with a view toward impeachment. He’s an accessory to obstruction of justice at this point. The AG of the US should not be a criminal.


'...“When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said. ...'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.b95e0ddb2c9b



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