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Old 07-07-2019, 10:52 PM
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I'm not much of a soccer fan, but I am curious why the women program is so good internationally while the men program is not? Is it just that the top tier male athletes pick football, baseball, and basketball over soccer or is their other stuff that goes into it?
The women had a head start on the rest of the world with Title IX. Basically they were getting scholarships for and playing soccer regularly when the rest of the world hadn't even bothered with women's soccer. So of course we have a lot of elite talent and resources most countries can't contend with. This is slowly changing now that the big European soccer nations are starting to take it seriously, with their big clubs investing in women's teams across the board.

The men suffer from the exact opposite. Professional soccer was actually somewhat thriving in the 1920s or so, until a war broke out between two competing leagues that killed them both and allowed baseball and football to take over. It would take another 4 decades before another legit professional league came along with the NASL in the 70s, but that crashed and burned as quickly as it appeared. We didn't qualify for a World Cup for 40 years until Mexico was disqualified from competing for 1990 and we took their spot with a miracle goal in Trinidad. Then we finally got a stable, legit professional soccer league with MLS in 1996. All in all, we are SIX decades behind the curve of the rest of the world when it comes to developing male players. Think of all the institutional knowledge we are lacking when it comes to coaching, technical skills, etc. We are playing catchup from way back and only in the past couple years have MLS clubs started actual academies the way it's done abroad. It's only barely begun to pay dividends. For all the snarkiness and bashing of the men in attempts to lift up the women, it's actually incredible that we basically achieved parity with Mexico in the 2000s, a country where soccer is king and has been invested in hugely compared to us.

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Old 07-07-2019, 10:58 PM
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The women had a head start on the rest of the world with Title IX. Basically they were getting scholarships for and playing soccer regularly when the rest of the world hadn't even bothered with women's soccer. So of course we have a lot of elite talent and resources most countries can't contend with. This is slowly changing now that the big European soccer nations are starting to take it seriously, with their big clubs investing in women's teams across the board.

The men suffer from the exact opposite. Professional soccer was actually somewhat thriving in the 1920s or so, until a war broke out between two competing leagues that killed them both and allowed baseball and football to take over. It would take another 4 decades before another legit professional league came along with the NASL in the 70s, but that crashed and burned as quickly as it appeared. We didn't qualify for a World Cup for 40 years until Mexico was disqualified from competing for 1990 and we took their spot with a miracle goal in Trinidad. Then we finally got a stable, legit professional soccer league with MLS in 1996. All in all, we are SIX decades behind the curve of the rest of the world when it comes to developing male players. Think of all the institutional knowledge we are lacking when it comes to coaching, technical skills, etc. We are playing catchup from way back and only in the past couple years have MLS clubs started actual academies the way it's done abroad. It's only barely begun to pay dividends. For all the snarkiness and bashing of the men in attempts to lift up the women, it's actually incredible that we basically achieved parity with Mexico in the 2000s, a country where soccer is king and has been invested in hugely compared to us.
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Old 07-07-2019, 11:06 PM
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I thought Tata out-adjusted Berhalter at the half. Saw Tata do that numerous times in MLS games, so I wasn't surprised.
Yep. Wish he was on our sideline. But instead we sat on our thumbs.
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Old 07-08-2019, 05:34 AM
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The women had a head start on the rest of the world with Title IX. Basically they were getting scholarships for and playing soccer regularly when the rest of the world hadn't even bothered with women's soccer. So of course we have a lot of elite talent and resources most countries can't contend with. This is slowly changing now that the big European soccer nations are starting to take it seriously, with their big clubs investing in women's teams across the board.

The men suffer from the exact opposite. Professional soccer was actually somewhat thriving in the 1920s or so, until a war broke out between two competing leagues that killed them both and allowed baseball and football to take over. It would take another 4 decades before another legit professional league came along with the NASL in the 70s, but that crashed and burned as quickly as it appeared. We didn't qualify for a World Cup for 40 years until Mexico was disqualified from competing for 1990 and we took their spot with a miracle goal in Trinidad. Then we finally got a stable, legit professional soccer league with MLS in 1996. All in all, we are SIX decades behind the curve of the rest of the world when it comes to developing male players. Think of all the institutional knowledge we are lacking when it comes to coaching, technical skills, etc. We are playing catchup from way back and only in the past couple years have MLS clubs started actual academies the way it's done abroad. It's only barely begun to pay dividends. For all the snarkiness and bashing of the men in attempts to lift up the women, it's actually incredible that we basically achieved parity with Mexico in the 2000s, a country where soccer is king and has been invested in hugely compared to us.
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Thank you for the lesson in American soccer on the international level. I'm not a soccer person so this was a nice quick read as to what is going on. I'm always amazed at the info you can learn on this site.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:45 AM
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Thanks!

And let me just say, I'm all for the women being paid more. I think equal pay is kind of the wrong target though. They deserve what they're worth. That theoretically could be MORE than the men if they negotiate it successfully. I just wish the pay discrepancy wasn't used as an excuse to dunk on the men over and over. It's not their fault they're paid more. It's not like their CBA says they must be paid more than the women. That's on USSF and FIFA.
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Thatís interesting, because soccer is probably like the most widely played sport for kids growing up in America.
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Thatís interesting, because soccer is probably like the most widely played sport for kids growing up in America.
The best athletes move from soccer to the more "mainstream" sports as they age.
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Old 07-08-2019, 09:16 AM
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Yeah there's a difference between playing it because your mom wants you to get out of the house and playing it because you love the sport. The same reason Brazil develops such great soccer players is the same reason we do for basketball. Kids are playing it all the time because they're obsessed with it, and probably also because it's a ticket out of poverty. We have a ways to go culture wise as far as loving soccer, and getting a scholarship for it is harder than football etc. because there's fewer of those to go around. Not to mention, most of the serious developmental leagues for kids are pay to play.
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Old 07-08-2019, 10:16 AM
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And college isn't a good developmental device because it's too late in life (18-21) to matter anyway. You have to get these kids in professional club academies and programs much earlier (as young teenagers, 14-15-16) to keep pace with other sporting nations.
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:58 AM
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Very true. It just those academies might be an easier sell to parents and kids if they had a scholarship to fall back on at least.
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