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Old 05-28-2020, 03:48 PM
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0 charges, yet. 4 Police officers fired, and multiple investigations started, and there have been recommendations that the four face charges. It's not nearly over yet.
The AG in Minnesota is Keith Ellison. Would peg the chances of charges being filed at 99.9%.
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My skepticism about the delta between Biden/Warren polling and polling of any of the other pairings is that Warren's name ID is higher, and that may explain the difference. The polls also aren't necessarily going to reveal turnout effects, and I think you could argue a strategic choice to target AA turnout beats a strategic target to younger liberal voters because AA's will show the hell up, especially AA women.

But that's an electoral argument.

From a policy/governing standpoint, Warren's the gold standard addition.
Agreed on the policy front. Absolutely no doubt.

What I wonder though is the white voters in the 5 "battle ground" states and their feelings for Warren as a "socialist"? Biden is going to need some of those previous voting D's and Independents in those states. Harris has that edge that I think is received well, even by those in say Macomb county MI. And I still believe that once the Obama's hit the road, which will most likely be in plenty of time before November, they bring out a nice portion of the former Bernie/Warren younger set.

I still hold a bit of a bad feeling about Warren, given her very petulant and petty rhubarb with Bernie at that debate. That was a shameful example of a lack of judgement and decorum.
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Were those cops fired? I read they were put on paid administrative leave.
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What I wonder though is the white voters in the 5 "battle ground" states and their feelings for Warren as a "socialist"?
I don't think the label sticks as easily to Warren because she never self-identified as a socialist the way Sanders did. Warren's whole stance is about reforming capitalism to save capitalism versus the blatant anti-capitalism message you get from a segment of the Bernie-sphere.

I also think, frankly, the economic environment today is a helluva lot different than it was in the almost naively sweet days of primary season. We crossed 40 million unemployment claims over the last 10 weeks today and we're seeing a lot of economic indicators that are as bad as we've seen since the Great Recession, and in some cases, the Great Depression.

FDR's New Deal doesn't happen if not for Hoover leading us into a Depression. Biden has A LOT more latitude to move left on policy than he did in early March with Trump's coronavirus response botching leading us into the toilet economically. That's why, and I'll say this again, I think Biden could switch his stance to being pro-single payer and he'd pay no price electorally because it's dumb to argue insurance should be tied to employment right now. Etc. Etc.

And like I've said on this board: Biden's not an ideologue, he's a career Democrat. He'll go for the most progressive policy he can get the votes for. Chris Hayes pointed out last night on his MSNBC show that if you analyze his votes from 40 years in Congress, he had an uncanny ability to find dead nuts center of the Democratic mainstream at any given point in time. If the zeitgeist moves left, Biden will move left.
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Were those cops fired? I read they were put on paid administrative leave.
It was reported last night they were fired.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/four-mi...d-death-video/
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#Missouri Poll:

Trump 48%
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Third Party 3%

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#Utah Poll:

Trump 44%
Biden 41%

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https://utahpolicy.com/index.php/fea...points-in-utah
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/...82764380811266

I'm not for a second telling you Biden's going to win Missouri or Utah or even be competitive there in November. What I am telling you is the last time Missouri was competitive was the 2008 Obama/McCain rout and the last couple of weeks have started to have some of that 2008 feel.
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I'm not for a second telling you Biden's going to win Missouri or Utah or even be competitive there in November. What I am telling you is the last time Missouri was competitive was the 2008 Obama/McCain rout and the last couple of weeks have started to have some of that 2008 feel.
If Biden is within 3 points of Trump in Utah then he will win Utah. This is the state that voted 21% for McMullin because they couldn't stomach voting for Trump. If the choice is Trump or Biden they'll swing to Biden, especially if Romney isn't sticking his neck out for Trump.
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Old 05-28-2020, 05:53 PM
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If Biden is within 3 points of Trump in Utah then he will win Utah. This is the state that voted 21% for McMullin because they couldn't stomach voting for Trump. If the choice is Trump or Biden they'll swing to Biden, especially if Romney isn't sticking his neck out for Trump.
I'll buy a Democrat can get to 41% in Utah. You've got to prove to me they can get to 50%, or the 48-49% needed in an election where low third party vote share is expected. In 2018, Democrats only won the House seat the bluest portion of the state (SLC) by the skin of their teeth. A statewide win is probably a bridge too far, barring something crazy like Romney and Huntsman endorsing Biden and actively campaigning for him.
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So, looks like someone was just stabbed in the protest in Minneapolis. Teenagers throwing rocks at police vehicles the whole time. National Guard is being called in.

Yeah, this is bad.

This is what the 60's felt like, isn't it?
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Second day in a row it's been this bad. Steer clear
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