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Old 08-10-2018, 12:16 PM
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Yeah, I think to actually intend to harm people they'd first have to care about them. Harm to the People is actually just collateral damage. Just like a bus full of Yemeni Children, but slower.
Speaking of Yemen, it's worth pointing out that while that got a bit of coverage (and will quickly be forgotten), Saudi Arabia is intentionally bombing schools, farms, and other places which would constitute war crimes, while the pentagon is shrugging their shoulders and saying "we probably will never know if our bombs are being used, we dont have anyone on the ground helping or overseeing." But hey, let's up their budget for space defense and more nukes.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:37 PM
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Aren't you are confusing intent with result? I don't think the intent of Republican policies is to deliberately make people stupider or unsafe. That is a possible byproduct of prioritizing the desires of capital over those of the rest of the populace, but not an overarching goal.
I see it as intent. Creating willfully ignorant/stupid voters benefits the GOP.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:12 PM
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I see it as intent. Creating willfully ignorant/stupid voters benefits the GOP.
So, you think that for the last 40 years, the Republican party has intended to make the populace stupider, and to actively harm them (lead in water example) in order to gain and remain in power? That is their policy goal? Because that smacks of conspiracy theory at near Infowars levels.

I'm not arguing that the result of the slow degradation of public education and misplaced economic incentives and ignorance of negative externalities within economic models have lead to those results (amongst many other bad results). It's the difference between thinking that is a flaw in that ideology rather than a feature.

You can't very well complain on the one hand that Republicans argue in bad faith if you exhibit the same bad faith in claiming results as intent.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:14 PM
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Speaking of Yemen, it's worth pointing out that while that got a bit of coverage (and will quickly be forgotten), Saudi Arabia is intentionally bombing schools, farms, and other places which would constitute war crimes, while the pentagon is shrugging their shoulders and saying "we probably will never know if our bombs are being used, we dont have anyone on the ground helping or overseeing." But hey, let's up their budget for space defense and more nukes.
Our blind loyalty and irrational support of the MIC is one of the biggest stains on every generation in our country since WWII, IMO.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:15 PM
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I see it as intent. Creating willfully ignorant/stupid voters benefits the GOP.
What you are claiming is not the result of the GOP...….it is the result of us letting government have to much say in our everyday life.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:43 PM
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So, you think that for the last 40 years, the Republican party has intended to make the populace stupider, and to actively harm them (lead in water example) in order to gain and remain in power? That is their policy goal? Because that smacks of conspiracy theory at near Infowars levels.

I'm not arguing that the result of the slow degradation of public education and misplaced economic incentives and ignorance of negative externalities within economic models have lead to those results (amongst many other bad results). It's the difference between thinking that is a flaw in that ideology rather than a feature.

You can't very well complain on the one hand that Republicans argue in bad faith if you exhibit the same bad faith in claiming results as intent.
I see it as manipulation of the electorate. Dumb is better if you want voters to cast votes not in their own interests.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:42 PM
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What you are claiming is not the result of the GOP...….it is the result of us letting government have to much say in our everyday life.
hmm so the ignorance (uhh , non college ,white men, no real debate here IMO) is a result of too much gov't?? Don't quite get that one.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:15 PM
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hmm so the ignorance (uhh , non college ,white men, no real debate here IMO) is a result of too much gov't?? Don't quite get that one.
He doesn't either. He doesn't have to though. It's accepted on faith and questioning what Sean Hannity et al say isn't permitted.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:01 PM
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What you are claiming is not the result of the GOP...….it is the result of us letting government have to (sic) much say in our everyday life.
The bolded must be the government's fault, too, I suppose.

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Old 08-10-2018, 08:04 PM
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See if they actually have to ever pay out.
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