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Old 09-24-2019, 07:10 AM
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If the WaPo article is correct, and that Trump withheld foreign aide to a country that is fighting a war with Russia in order to get them to investigate Biden's son...holy shit.
Holy shit indeed. How much proof do they have?
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:56 AM
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Holy shit indeed. How much proof do they have?
Ask any Trump supporter you know if they care about this. They will tell you it is "fake news" and the great pumpkin is being victimized again.

Martyrdom forever.

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Old 09-24-2019, 10:09 AM
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The victimization of the white working class has been the clarion call to his sycophants since he descended the golden elevator. Anger and resentment is a strong motivator, especially for those that are convinced that life is a zero sum game. Unfortunately, I sincerely doubt the possibility of any candidate to “bring us together”. The 30-35% do not want to change their views of the future or the world as it can be. Ignorance and prejudice have always resided in a sizable percentage of the population. The best this country can achieve is to keep these folks distant from the levers of power at the state and federal levels.
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:24 AM
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Ask any Trump supporter you know if they care about this. They will tell you it is "fake news" and the great pumpkin is being victimized again.

Martyrdom forever.
If there is clear evidence, they won't be able to say a thing.
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:51 AM
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Naw...facts and “clear evidence” will NOT result in a change of opinion or behavior. The 35% will take their lead from Carlson and Hannity and the “deep state” will remain the prime motivator for their outrage against the elites and fake news, both of whom are engaged in an unfair persecution of this patriot. You watch...there will not be silence on this stuff—there will be howls of paranoia directed at anybody that questions the actions of the grabber-in-chief.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:08 AM
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Trump and Giuliani have already confirmed about 80% of the publicly reported story with their blabbing. There’s a transcript and there’s almost certainly a paper trail.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:13 AM
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Naw...facts and “clear evidence” will NOT result in a change of opinion or behavior. The 35% will take their lead from Carlson and Hannity and the “deep state” will remain the prime motivator for their outrage against the elites and fake news, both of whom are engaged in an unfair persecution of this patriot. You watch...there will not be silence on this stuff—there will be howls of paranoia directed at anybody that questions the actions of the grabber-in-chief.
Nixon left office in disgrace and still had approvals at 25%. Trump is roughly 15% above that now. If the evidence is clear that he bribed and coerced a foreign government for opposition research on a political opponent, even if it's only semi-clear, it's not outside the realm of reason to assume Trump's support will drop to down around 30%.

Nixon's party supported him until they couldn't any longer. Whether or not past is prologue, bribery and coercion are a different kettle of fish than a bunch of the other super shitty things Trump has been doing, or even the emoluments clause lawsuit, because it is easier for the average Joe to look at it and realize Trump is outright acting illegally. Further, it is much more difficult for a Senator to support Trump without the cover of opacity.

This assumes the evidence fits the narrative.

I'm most concerned that the Trump administration will force a Constitutional crisis by withholding the whistleblower report and Congress holding administration officials in contempt.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:29 AM
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I'd say this story is un-fucking-believable, but 95% of what the orange dolt has gotten away with has been unbelievable.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:08 PM
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John Lewis just came out for impeachment. It’s on.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:23 PM
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John Lewis just came out for impeachment. It’s on.
I would like to believe that this, THIS, will finally stick and we will actually see impeachment hearings etc, but I'm not holding my breath. He's gotten away with so much for so long, and Democrats are wimps and Republicans are sycophantic, spineless toadies.
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