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Old 07-28-2018, 03:22 PM
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A long, venom-filled, disingenuous post because he would REALLY REALLY REALLY like to change the subject and talk about the economy rather than the fact that 2.5 years of water carrying for a bunch of crooks and traitors is finally coming home to roost.
OK Waiver, I'm game. Not because you deserve to be let off the hook for your treason weasel apologist tendencies, though. I'm going to defer twisting the knife deeper on that particular set of issues because, A.) I'm fairly certain the drumbeat of indictments and bad legal news for Trump and his confederates will continue, thereby giving me many more opportunities to point out how f'ing WRONG you've been to support those people, and B.) Because the hate-filled little screed you shot off is also so incredibly WRONG in its central thesis, I can't resist pointing it out and having a good laugh at your expense publicly.

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No, just ignoring your stupid half posts pete.
Are we already off the excuse that Twitter is the reason you no longer come here and take the lumps you're due to take for your foolishness?

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Lets look at the one when I was last here.
I can't fathom why you wouldn't prefer to talk about this one, in which you claimed...

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"But here we are almost 2 years into looking into "collusion" and not one shred of evidence has been found.....not one pete."
http://boltprospects.com/forum/showp...ostcount=14338

Except, you know, that we have e-mails of Trump's own son arranging a meeting with Russian agents to get dirt on his political opponent, which was a meeting we now know Trump himself knew of and approved of.

But I digress...

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Last time I look the economy is booming. More and more people are coming back into the work place, which is a good thing...…….funny how you never mention that.
There was six straight years of job growth under Obama and the Q2 growth in 2018 under Trump would only have been the fifth strongest fiscal quarter of economic growth under Obama's presidency. Funny how you never said a damned thing positive when Obama was president and claimed the numbers were lying and the sky was falling.

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But with your claim that the buying power of the dollar is shrinking
It's not a "claim". It's an empirically provable fact. The value of the average household income started to rally during the final months of Obama's presidency after falling for decades. They're eroding again under Trump now, and I suspect that's in no small part to a tax cut that was a gigantic redistribution scheme to suck wealth up into the top 1%.

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I also find it funny that you only post about the individual tax cuts.
You're the one that famously claimed that because your children saw a few more bucks in their take home pay you had anecdotal proof of the windfall the average American worker was getting under the tax cuts. Nope. Crumbs... if even that.

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How is that corporate tax cut helping you pete?
See, and then you shit the rug and made a stupid argument and I get to rub your nose in it.

Know how much money I've gotten from the corporate tax cut Waiver?

$0

My company, like most small businesses, is a S-corporation pass-through business. We don't pay the corporate tax because all corporate profits and losses are passed through to the owners individually.

The corporate tax rate being cut didn't benefit most small businesses, contrary to the propaganda the conservative cult of more and larger tax cuts has fed you.

Some S-corps actually lost deductions and loopholes they used to be able to claim and may have actually come out worse for wear from the new law. As it was, A&E businesses were able to retain some of our most important deductions and loopholes in a way other businesses (I'm told) like accountants (ironically) weren't able to.

The corporate tax cut only benefited companies that actually pay the corporate tax (duh), which generally means C-corps. I.E. large, gigantic companies. Walmart? Yep. AT&T? You betcha! Koch Industries? BINGO! They got what the paid for, after all!

And therein lies the fundamental flaw in your typical hate-filled personal attack intended to mask your trail (and your shame) like a squid inking to try to escape danger. You accused me of pocketing a tax cut that is not applicable to my business YOU IGNORANT F!&K!!!

Why do I call you that? Why do I not give you the benefit of the doubt, given that you made your livelihood your entire adult life off the taxpayer's dollar and currently subsist largely on a government pension (socialism, indeed) and therefore have NO F'ING CLUE what you're talking about when you try to lecture an actual small businessman about his business? Because two, TWO (!), accounting professionals on this board already explained this fact to you on this thread far more eloquently and precisely than I did while the whole tax bill was being debated.

So the only reason you're ignorant of how erroneous your whole argument is because you were too goddamned stupid to listen to reason and facts from the subject matter experts here. That'd be a "shame on you," champ, not a "shame on me". You clown.
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:26 PM
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hmmm I dunno. His approval numbers in Mi, Wis and Minn are under 40%, and even with a healthy GDP its just a fact that middle and lower middle class folks are just NOT personally seeing the effects of a continuing "recovery". Add to that fact that I still submit that reasonable R women and energized D's will make for a much larger turnout this year than in past midterms. Once the D's have the house, DJT's troubles multiply, even if Mueller's report does not contain "smoking guns". If I'm wrong and this country were elect him again in 2020, well, it IS 1984 becoming reality.
I think you're seeing over 50% of the electorate becoming hardened in their disapproval of Trump. At this point, you're either in the guy's camp or your not, and a majority of Americans simply aren't. And you're simply not going to find many people who are pursuadable one way or the other anymore. So it comes down to turnout and ballot access.
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:32 PM
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There was six straight years of job growth under Obama and the Q2 growth in 2018 under Trump would only have been the fifth strongest fiscal quarter of economic growth under Obama's presidency. Funny how you never said a damned thing positive when Obama was president and claimed the numbers were lying and the sky was falling.
But how are the great lakes steel shipments?

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You're the one that famously claimed that because your children saw a few more bucks in their take home pay you had anecdotal proof of the windfall the average American worker was getting under the tax cuts. Nope. Crumbs... if even that.
Pretty sure we have established he has not idea what anecdotal is.
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Okay that was pretty amusing.
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Old 07-28-2018, 04:19 PM
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But how are the great lakes steel shipments?
Takes on a whole new life thanks to the tariffs, now doesn't it?

Seriously, you want to know what actually matters to a design professional in the building industry? Every time I go into a meeting with a contractor these days I hear that steel prices are being driven up by up to 35% because of Trump's stupid GD trade war threats, and that steel prices may soon be week-to-week as opposed to month-to-month like they are now. So, if you're doing work for non-profits or other institutions that can't just easily find an extra $50K on a project for steel, you're value engineering the project to try to get it back into budget because of that stupidity.

I have some great clients trying to do some great projects that will become wonderful civic resources for their local communities, and they're being screwed over by this foolishness.

So certain folks have a lot of balls to try to lecture me about how great economics are under Trump and what an eeeeevil socialist I am when they're lounging around in their retirement hammock cashing their government checks and not doing a damned thing productive for society anymore while I have to deal with the fallout of the capricious, short-sighted, ignorant policies of the politicians whose knobs they love to polish.
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Old 07-28-2018, 06:38 PM
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WW - every time a Trumper wants to talk about the economy, the response should be “Thank you President Obama.” Other than the Tax Cuts, which took effect in 2018, he is still living on Obama’s recovery. Because he didn’t change economic policy in 2017.

I think the tax cuts were awful public policy. My children and grandchildren are going to pay the debt that was initiated during the recovery to give the super rich tax cuts today. Less than 5% of those cuts benefitted the 99%. That’s the wrong time to cut taxes.

Here’s a decent analysis by fake news.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/polit...eck/index.html

So you do not think that when he started cutting regulations that didn't effect the economy?
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Old 07-28-2018, 06:57 PM
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OK Waiver, I'm game. Not because you deserve to be let off the hook for your treason weasel apologist tendencies, though. I'm going to defer twisting the knife deeper on that particular set of issues because, A.) I'm fairly certain the drumbeat of indictments and bad legal news for Trump and his confederates will continue, thereby giving me many more opportunities to point out how f'ing WRONG you've been to support those people, and B.) Because the hate-filled little screed you shot off is also so incredibly WRONG in its central thesis, I can't resist pointing it out and having a good laugh at your expense publicly.



Are we already off the excuse that Twitter is the reason you no longer come here and take the lumps you're due to take for your foolishness?



I can't fathom why you wouldn't prefer to talk about this one, in which you claimed...



http://boltprospects.com/forum/showp...ostcount=14338

Except, you know, that we have e-mails of Trump's own son arranging a meeting with Russian agents to get dirt on his political opponent, which was a meeting we now know Trump himself knew of and approved of.

But I digress...



There was six straight years of job growth under Obama and the Q2 growth in 2018 under Trump would only have been the fifth strongest fiscal quarter of economic growth under Obama's presidency. Funny how you never said a damned thing positive when Obama was president and claimed the numbers were lying and the sky was falling.



It's not a "claim". It's an empirically provable fact. The value of the average household income started to rally during the final months of Obama's presidency after falling for decades. They're eroding again under Trump now, and I suspect that's in no small part to a tax cut that was a gigantic redistribution scheme to suck wealth up into the top 1%.



You're the one that famously claimed that because your children saw a few more bucks in their take home pay you had anecdotal proof of the windfall the average American worker was getting under the tax cuts. Nope. Crumbs... if even that.



See, and then you shit the rug and made a stupid argument and I get to rub your nose in it.

Know how much money I've gotten from the corporate tax cut Waiver?

$0

My company, like most small businesses, is a S-corporation pass-through business. We don't pay the corporate tax because all corporate profits and losses are passed through to the owners individually.

The corporate tax rate being cut didn't benefit most small businesses, contrary to the propaganda the conservative cult of more and larger tax cuts has fed you.

Some S-corps actually lost deductions and loopholes they used to be able to claim and may have actually come out worse for wear from the new law. As it was, A&E businesses were able to retain some of our most important deductions and loopholes in a way other businesses (I'm told) like accountants (ironically) weren't able to.

The corporate tax cut only benefited companies that actually pay the corporate tax (duh), which generally means C-corps. I.E. large, gigantic companies. Walmart? Yep. AT&T? You betcha! Koch Industries? BINGO! They got what the paid for, after all!

And therein lies the fundamental flaw in your typical hate-filled personal attack intended to mask your trail (and your shame) like a squid inking to try to escape danger. You accused me of pocketing a tax cut that is not applicable to my business YOU IGNORANT F!&K!!!

Why do I call you that? Why do I not give you the benefit of the doubt, given that you made your livelihood your entire adult life off the taxpayer's dollar and currently subsist largely on a government pension (socialism, indeed) and therefore have NO F'ING CLUE what you're talking about when you try to lecture an actual small businessman about his business? Because two, TWO (!), accounting professionals on this board already explained this fact to you on this thread far more eloquently and precisely than I did while the whole tax bill was being debated.

So the only reason you're ignorant of how erroneous your whole argument is because you were too goddamned stupid to listen to reason and facts from the subject matter experts here. That'd be a "shame on you," champ, not a "shame on me". You clown.
Please sight us the Federal Statute that makes "collusion" a violation?


Your comment about Twitter is a perfect example....thank you.

I was not referring to Twitter for a news source, but a source for NHL/Lightning information that seems to be much quicker in breaking the news as almost always when breaking something reference the NHL the poster credits Twitter and those legitimate sports reporters/writers that use Twitter.

As for your taxes, than you will be like most small businesses and you will see your tax savings when you file in 2019. Hell our CPA has already told my wife that her taxes will be much lower than last year. If you do not know that yet something must be wrong. Come tell us on 04/15/2019 how bad the tax cut was on your business. You know, that date when you can claim your business income at a much lower rate then you on your 2017 return.


As for the job growth and the economy that you and a few so proudly give credit to Obama, then why did we see the markets take a dramatic upturn once the election was over?

The markets responded because hopefully regulations would be eased. The markets turned because many were hoping for a tax cut. The markets turned as many were hoping for the end of the ACA.
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Please sight us the Federal Statute that makes "collusion" a violation?


Your comment about Twitter is a perfect example....thank you.

I was not referring to Twitter for a news source, but a source for NHL/Lightning information that seems to be much quicker in breaking the news as almost always when breaking something reference the NHL the poster credits Twitter and those legitimate sports reporters/writers that use Twitter.

As for your taxes, than you will be like most small businesses and you will see your tax savings when you file in 2019. Hell our CPA has already told my wife that her taxes will be much lower than last year. If you do not know that yet something must be wrong. Come tell us on 04/15/2019 how bad the tax cut was on your business. You know, that date when you can claim your business income at a much lower rate then you on your 2017 return.


As for the job growth and the economy that you and a few so proudly give credit to Obama, then why did we see the markets take a dramatic upturn once the election was over?

The markets responded because hopefully regulations would be eased. The markets turned because many were hoping for a tax cut. The markets turned as many were hoping for the end of the ACA.
Corps using cash they have saved on taxes to buy back their own stock has been significant. Jobs, no.
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Old 07-28-2018, 07:35 PM
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Please sight us the Federal Statute that makes "collusion" a violation?
I guess you wrote a ton of "sightations" (sic) while you were on the force, eh genius?

We've already been over this, you dishonest dishonest old man. "Collusion" is not a legal term, it's the colloquial term being used by the media for "conspiracy". By any dictionary definition of the word "collusion" there's proof that the Trump campaign actively sought to collude with the Russians. What remains is for Mueller to prove the actual crime of "conspiracy". I wouldn't bet against him. If you were smart (you aren't) you wouldn't either.

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As for your taxes, than you will be like most small businesses and you will see your tax savings when you file in 2019. Hell our CPA has already told my wife that her taxes will be much lower than last year. If you do not know that yet something must be wrong. Come tell us on 04/15/2019 how bad the tax cut was on your business.
My accountant, who I trust a hell of a lot more than you, says don't expect a windfall.

I'll let the actual accounting professionals on this board add their 2 cents, but I suspect they'll echo that sentiment.

Either way, you should apologize for accusing me of pocketing a non-existent tax break. You won't, because you're a lying, ignorant weasel, but you should.

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As for the job growth and the economy that you and a few so proudly give credit to Obama, then why did we see the markets take a dramatic upturn once the election was over?
The stock market is not a lead indicator of economic health. As the link Donnie posted points out, only 54% of Americans have money in the stock market, and a much smaller percentage has a meaningful amount of money in the markets. Basically, what the markets represent is the mood of a handful of ultra-wealthy oligarchs. That they responded favorably to the installation of a corrupt Republican president and Congress (and they had the receipts for the latter) is hardly surprising. Polluters were excited they were going to be allowed to pollute again. Fat cats were excited they would get away with paying even less than they had before. Etc. Etc.

Know how I know the stock market isn't a leading indicator of economic health? 1929 and 2008. Look it up.
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Corps using cash they have saved on taxes to buy back their own stock has been significant. Jobs, no.
Because no businessman is going to just add payroll without first having the revenue streams to support the added payroll. The idea that you're going to just hand rich people a bunch of money and they're going to instantly start hiring people is dumb as hell. Some of them *might* put that money into R&D or retooling with a view toward developing additional revenue streams and eventually adding more jobs. But, it almost never works the other way around. That's why supply side economics are dumb as hell.
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