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Old 07-10-2018, 10:46 AM
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Hillary, Biden even Michelle O can all go away. Fresh blood is needed, someone with ideas and plans and who has a tough skin to take Trump's insults and give it back just as hard.
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Trump pardoned two ranchers charged with Arson.

The Bundy Brothers lead an armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in protest of their sentencing.

This is yet another attack on the rule of law and a signal of support to the far right extremists and militia types.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:53 AM
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Hillary, Biden even Michelle O can all go away. Fresh blood is needed, someone with ideas and plans and who has a tough skin to take Trump's insults and give it back just as hard.
I just wish the messaging would be better regarding these "Democratic Socialists".

The fact of the matter is, Democratic Socialists are pretty fringe. But Sanders called himself one, when he is not. Ocasio-Cortez called herself one, but she isn't.

Democratic Socialism is an ideology that is post-capitalism. We're talking, no profit, no prisons, no borders, control means of production etc. Those beliefs are not winning beliefs.

Sanders and his following are actually Social Democrats. Believe in capitalism, but wish to remove key societal industries from the control of for-profit private corporations. Strong regulation of Wall Street, Universal Healthcare, Jobs Guarantees, Education and Trade Schools, Living Wages etc.
Basically, the Social Democrats(as Sanders should have called himself) are the Populist Left. These are winning policy positions as multiple polls have indicated. Even Republican voters are in agreement with the majority of Social Democratic policies.

Instead, we get to have the Right Wing propaganda machines define the movement. "Democratic Socialism is like Venezuela!" "It's never worked anywhere!"
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:59 AM
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He believes in the process as any one that follows that Constitution should.
The fact of the matter is that he can say that all he wants as a justice in a lower court, but once on SCOTUS he won’t have to use double talk any more. Roe v. Wade, pardoning a president indicted for crimes ... no one can say with certainty what a justice will do once on the bench. We can only interpret everything we can find of his opinions and rulings.
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Old 07-10-2018, 12:12 PM
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The fact of the matter is that he can say that all he wants as a justice in a lower court, but once on SCOTUS he won’t have to use double talk any more. Roe v. Wade, pardoning a president indicted for crimes ... no one can say with certainty what a justice will do once on the bench. We can only interpret everything we can find of his opinions and rulings.
Yup, look at his rulings. And he has ruled that once a case has been ruled upon that is it, precedent has been set.

We will not know how he will vote until he is seated as he could go off to the left as some have done.
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Old 07-10-2018, 12:13 PM
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Hillary, Biden even Michelle O can all go away. Fresh blood is needed, someone with ideas and plans and who has a tough skin to take Trump's insults and give it back just as hard.
Saw a poll last week that had Sanders, Clinton and Warren as the 1,2,3 choice.
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Old 07-10-2018, 12:33 PM
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Trump pardoned two ranchers charged with Arson. The Bundy Brothers lead an armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in protest of their sentencing.
Imagine how differently that scenario would have played out if the 'ranchers' were latin or black?
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Old 07-10-2018, 12:51 PM
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Imagine how differently that scenario would have played out if the 'ranchers' were latin or black?
Or Muslim. I'm pretty sure the US would be obligated by precedent to kill a 1/4 million people in a country entirely unrelated to the terrorist attack.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:20 PM
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Saw a poll last week that had Sanders, Clinton and Warren as the 1,2,3 choice.
That's a sure fire way to guarantee 4 more years of Trump.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:15 PM
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