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Old 04-11-2018, 06:00 PM
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I'm waiting for any of the "Liberal" pundits on TV to apologize for the non-stop "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!" shit, because it's marching this country toward more war with no real justification.
What war is it marching us into? Honest question. A wag the dog military intervention promulgated by the Trump Administration to distract from the investigation? How is that the fault of anyone but the Trump Administration and its enablers in the Republican controlled Congress?

And, honestly, do you really think we wouldn't have ended up at this point even if there wasn't a Trump/Russia investigation? You know as well as I do even "competent" establishment Republicans can't govern worth a damn. But the lesson they learned from the W Bush Administration is that being a "war time president" is a political winner (typically). I said it about five seconds after Trump won the electoral college: the only way he can win re-election will be to start a war and wrap himself in the flag like Bush/Cheney did. Then we see if the country learned a thing from the boondoggle that was the Iraq War or if they still lack the maturity to demand restraint from their government when potentially risking our men and women in uniform.
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Old 04-11-2018, 06:11 PM
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Add Congressman Ross from Hillsborough County to the list of Republicans who are not running for re-election.
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Old 04-11-2018, 06:23 PM
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What war is it marching us into? Honest question. A wag the dog military intervention promulgated by the Trump Administration to distract from the investigation? How is that the fault of anyone but the Trump Administration and its enablers in the Republican controlled Congress?

And, honestly, do you really think we wouldn't have ended up at this point even if there wasn't a Trump/Russia investigation? You know as well as I do even "competent" establishment Republicans can't govern worth a damn. But the lesson they learned from the W Bush Administration is that being a "war time president" is a political winner (typically). I said it about five seconds after Trump won the electoral college: the only way he can win re-election will be to start a war and wrap himself in the flag like Bush/Cheney did. Then we see if the country learned a thing from the boondoggle that was the Iraq War or if they still lack the maturity to demand restraint from their government when potentially risking our men and women in uniform.
The "Resistance" isn't resisting the war. They're beating the drums along with Trump. They know it's good for ratings. Watch MSNBC, it's like watching a fucking infomercial for the MIC.

The establishment Dems aren't batshit crazy like Trump, but they know that they get no points being anti-War. They need to unanimously oppose this shit. There's no reason whatsoever for us to be involved in Syria unilaterally or even with UK support. A legitimate investigation needs to occur before it's decided that Jihadis are right and Assad used chemical weapons, but miraculously killed no jihadis.
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Old 04-11-2018, 06:28 PM
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Add Congressman Ross from Hillsborough County to the list of Republicans who are not running for re-election.
It's a R+6 district which would typically be safely Republican, but in this environment if the Democrats find a legit candidate it's winnable.

And Dave Wasserman from Cook Political Report points out:

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There are still 19 states where filing deadlines haven't passed, home to 58 GOP members currently running for reelection. How many more retire?
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...53849655791616

This is right about the end of the window when you see House retirements before a Midterm election. Typically there's only 1-2 from here on out. But, typically the Speaker of the House doesn't up and quit 7 months before the Midterm elections either. If any of those 58 House members were in any way sitting on the fence, how do you think them seeing Ryan head for the exits is going to play?

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NRCC Chair Stivers during conversation w/ @chucktodd doesn't rule out more GOP retirements coming, but notes it'll be less than 10.
https://twitter.com/kailanikm/status/984185575854039040

Anything more than 1-2 additional retirements would be an insanely uncharacteristic number this late in the election cycle and indicative of the implosion of Republican chances. "Less than ten?" Sweet Jesus, unpack that. Let's take that at face value and say it's right and only six to eight more Republican incumbents retire. That's a fucking prelude to a slaughter.

Remember, when incumbents retire and surrender the advantages of incumbency in their districts, it quickly becomes a race between Generic D and Generic R. If Democrats win the generic ballot nationwide by 6-10 points, it's a slaughter in those Generic D vs. Generic R-type districts.

Nate Cohn from the NY Times suggests:

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Retirements and redistricting keep eroding the GOP's structural advantage The Democratic popular vote target is now under 7 points, by our estimates, and edging lower with every new departure
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/984183124090413058
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Old 04-11-2018, 06:33 PM
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Ryan quit now so the June 1st deadline for filing gives them a good bit of time to find a replacement for the Nazi currently filling the role as the GOP candidate in WI-1 district.
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Old 04-11-2018, 06:34 PM
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The "Resistance" isn't resisting the war. They're beating the drums along with Trump.
Again, what war? Syria? You know damned well Trump will never actually cross Putin by doing anything more than token telegraphed military strikes with cruise missiles or drones. Jesus Christ, there's been a plethora of reports today that the Syrians are moving all their military assets into Russian bases today after Trump's Tweets. It's all empty calorie theater. That's why you don't hear anyone on MSNBC freaking out about a "war" in Syria.
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Ryan quit now so the June 1st deadline for filing gives them a good bit of time to find a replacement for the Nazi currently filling the role as the GOP candidate in WI-1 district.
The actual Nazi running on the Republican ticket in one of the districts in Illinois would probably tell you the clown in WI-1 is only an amateur anti-semite by his standards.

2018, folks.
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Again, what war? Syria? You know damned well Trump will never actually cross Putin by doing anything more than token telegraphed military strikes with cruise missiles or drones. Jesus Christ, there's been a plethora of reports today that the Syrians are moving all their military assets into Russian bases today after Trump's Tweets. It's all empty calorie theater. That's why you don't hear anyone on MSNBC freaking out about a "war" in Syria.
Their silence is approval. For months Trump has been told be tougher with Putin and be more "muscular". What's theater is, Zuckerberg speaking before a bunch of people he paid money to so that they can all pretend that it was a few rogue hackers who swung the general election for Trump rather than a concerted effort on the part of one of the political parties to ensure that the only real candidate with a chance of beating Trump was handled in the primary.

Also, I have a real problem with you dismissing the use of drones and Cruise Missiles on Syria with no declaration of war from Congress. You can add the 8 other countries we're currently droning/bombing to my list of shit we shouldn't be doing. There's no legitimate argument you can make to me that states we're better off doing it. The Establishment of both parties is pro-War.

I have no issues with interdicting as a joint force(allies) in an effort to prevent a genocide(we're helping perpetrate one in Yemen atm). If there were evidence of Assad forces gassing or attacking US assets in Syria, sure. Proportional response is typical. Fucking around with Russia in some stupid fucking proxy war where we're aligned with ISIS against Assad and Russia is stupid as fuck.
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:03 PM
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For missile or drone strikes on empty airfields and empty military installations? Yeah, I kind of can't muster the outrage for that either.

And, frankly, if you're not willing to consider military intervention when a rogue state actually does use weapons of mass destruction then you're never going to use military intervention for anything other than a direct attack on the United States. Even Bernie Sanders voted for military intervention in the Balkans when ethnic cleansing was occurring. There really does need to be consequences in a civilized world when mass murder is being committed.
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And, frankly, if you're not willing to consider military intervention when a rogue state actually does use weapons of mass destruction then you're never going to use military intervention for anything other than a direct attack on the United States. Even Bernie Sanders voted for military intervention in the Balkans when ethnic cleansing was occurring. There really does need to be consequences in a civilized world when mass murder is being committed.
Careful with the strawmen. There's NO independent evidence of Assad using Chemical Weapons. The Jihadis are the only ones claiming he did, yet no jihadis were killed.

You investigate, you prove. Then you intervene. Or, we get to think "aluminum tubes" and "yellow cake" all over again. Only this time, instead of having a small coalition, we'll have us vs. Russia via Syria.

Remove Assad, ISIS takes over. Then we have decades of MIC profits funneled out of our pockets and into theirs.

Interesting you'd point out ethnic cleansing that had legitimate proof of its existence. No shit we intervened there. That makes complete sense. We helped Saddam gas the Kurds with weapons we sold him. Didn't flip out about it. We sell the clusterbombs to KSA so they can kill Houthis en masse and starve an entire nation to death.
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