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Old 03-07-2008, 02:12 PM
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Why are you trading a franchise center for somebody who still needs to be assessed? Failed logic right there.
Dont forget.......... we also 'STOLE' two third liners off of the Stars
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Old 03-07-2008, 03:15 PM
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Why are you trading a franchise center for somebody who still needs to be assessed?
Because ownership ordered a salary dump & that's the deal Richards waived his NTC for?
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Old 03-07-2008, 04:20 PM
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Feaster openly admitted that he could have received picks and prospects for Richards however, which the team desperately needed. So that argument is wrong too
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Old 03-07-2008, 04:28 PM
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Feaster openly admitted that he could have received picks and prospects for Richards however, which the team desperately needed.
One could legimately argue that the team needed roster players and better option in net.

There's two equally legit roads to rebuilding one could take. (1) The PHI/WAS method of getting rid of everyone and starting from scratch, or (2) the BOS method of trading a star power for multiple roster plugins.

You, obviously, are attached to the strategy that the organization chose NOT follow, but that doesn't make CupChamp's argument wrong. It just makes his argument one you disagree with.
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Old 03-07-2008, 05:02 PM
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Dallas made the deal under the premise that they were not trading anything significant off their roster on their run to the playoffs, while at the same time not trading anything significant from their farm system. That ought to tell you something. Boston at least filled some needs with quality players.

And I understand the trading for roster players, or not wanting to sign unproven goalies to huge contracts; but when you combine the two, your trading a star player centered around somebody that you aren't sure about, thats absurd.
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Old 03-07-2008, 05:06 PM
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Dallas made the deal under the premise that they were not trading anything significant off their roster on their run to the playoffs, while at the same time not trading anything significant from their farm system. That ought to tell you something. Boston at least filled some needs with quality players.

And I understand the trading for roster players, or not wanting to sign unproven goalies to huge contracts; but when you combine the two, your trading a star player centered around somebody that you aren't sure about, thats absurd.
what would you suggest instead? getting a bunch of prospects & picks isn't a sure thing either.

you don't even seem willing to give smith a chance. i don't see what's unreasonable with seeing if he can handle a #1 job when he's never done so in the nhl.
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Old 03-07-2008, 06:23 PM
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Of course I am willing to give Smith a chance, now that he is here.
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Old 03-07-2008, 06:39 PM
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Boston at least filled some needs with quality players.
BOS acquired Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart, and Wayne Primeau for Thornton. Sturm + Primeau and Jokinen + Halpern is basically a wash. And I would say that Smith >> Stuart. Considering that Thornton >> Richards+Holmqvist, I'd say TAM did *much* better in filling needs with quality players than BOS did. And then there's the 2009 4th to boot...

(BOS went on to trade Stuart and Primeau to CGY for Ference and Kobasew, so they really traded Thornton for Sturm, Ferrence, and Kobasew. You're telling me that's a better than Jokinen, Halpern, and Smith?)

You wanted to blow the whole thing up (Boyle and Richards and others) and get a bunch of picks and prospects. That's fine. That's a legit way to rebuild if you are willing to wait 3-5 years. Just don't act like the other strategy is some big huge dumbass mistake.
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Old 03-07-2008, 07:32 PM
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The context of this thread keeps conveniently changing.
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Old 03-08-2008, 04:05 PM
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Let's try not to forget that Boston was lambasted for that trade, and it pretty much set the franchise back, which you can certainly say for the Lightning too. And the motivation was the same for both - it wasn't working with the highly paid star, so the salary structure was blown up. The problem is that the Broons went out and spent heavily on two huge pieces of the puzzle, Savard and Chara. We'll see what the Lightning have in store, but the market seems a lot weaker. You could say we've already gone out and paid for our franchise defenseman, but there's no Savard to add to our core. If the Bolts are unwilling to pay for Langkow, I'd almost rather they not overspend on someone who isn't worth it and just strap themselves in for another rough season. If we end up with Stamkos and Tavares in training camp '09, I'm sure it will have been worth it.
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