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I spent hours, days, and weeks in 2016 poring over every possible #Bernie weakness. I was the CEO of a media company with a team of writers & researchers. We dug up every policy issue we could. I studied an extensive oppo book on Bernie.

Bottom line: HE'S BEEN VETTED.
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OK, BOTTOM LINE ON #BERNIE VETTING:

1. Every Dem will be savaged by the GOP.

2. #Bernie has weaknesses like everyone else.

3. But there are no big surprises to unearth.

4. The worst stuff is out there.

5. He's by far the strongest candidate to withstand the right's assault.


Of note, Daou and his wife also disprove the "Mean Bernie Bros" are the only mean online trolls myth. Some of the things he and his wife have had to deal with from his old pals in the establishment Democratic Party has been truly dangerous and repugnant.
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I'm gonna take you at your word that you are just doing what you were taught and stuck to it like you expect other people to. My whole point is that they were doing what they were told to do. Take out the loans, bet on themselves with the understanding that the jobs they'd get because of the education would more than offset the loans and interest.

So, they met your principles argument. They did exactly what they were taught to do. Our society and our economic system let them down IMO. A bait and switch.

Now, not only are they suffering because of that bait and switch, the nation as a whole is as well. I'd just ask that you re-evaluate this, see that they have done what they were told and mortgaged their futures based on a promise that our economic system didn't keep. A transaction tax on high-frequency speculative trades on Wall Street will pay for it. A lot of it can be forgiven immediately through the stroke of a pen at the Department of Education without any negative repercussions to the taxpayers.

It's also EXTREMELY popular electorally. Sanders gave a speech tonight in front of 11,000 Coloradans and he mentioned it, as he normally does in his stump speeches, they gave him a 30second standing ovation for it.
I forgot about the wall-street speculative tax, isn't that just a tax on purchasing stock? What is his reasoning to add interference to the free market instead of just increasing capital gains taxes or income tax? I think that is a really bad idea.

I can get on board wiping out student debt. If we are going to give those 45 million Americans in debt the benefit of the doubt though, than the system that put them into debt needs to be corrected too. That debt forgiveness needs to come wrapped in legislation that reduces the cost of college for the government(if we are going free college) and education reform that doesn't ram every student through the system with college as the ultimate goal. Give kids pathways early on.

Whatever candidate starts taking early childhood education seriously, including childcare all the way down to newborns, and extended paternity and maternity leave(with some caveats), automatically gets my vote.
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I forgot about the wall-street speculative tax, isn't that just a tax on purchasing stock? What is his reasoning to add interference to the free market instead of just increasing capital gains taxes or income tax? I think that is a really bad idea.
Nah, it's just a tax on the high-frequency algorithm-driven trades that add instability to the market and basically game the system faster than any human being possibly could. So it taxes those a fraction of a penny etc. and has the added benefit of driving down the frequency of these trades which would add stability to the stock markets(or that's the idea at least).

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I can get on board wiping out student debt. If we are going to give those 45 million Americans in debt the benefit of the doubt though, than the system that put them into debt needs to be corrected too. That debt forgiveness needs to come wrapped in legislation that reduces the cost of college for the government(if we are going free college) and education reform that doesn't ram every student through the system with college as the ultimate goal. Give kids pathways early on.
Sanders has the College for All Act to eliminate tuition and fees at public colleges and universities, tribal colleges, community colleges, trade schools, and apprenticeship programs. Everyone deserves the right to a good higher education if they choose to pursue it, no matter their income.

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Whatever candidate starts taking early childhood education seriously, including childcare all the way down to newborns, and extended paternity and maternity leave(with some caveats), automatically gets my vote.
"As President, Bernie will guarantee all workers paid family, medical, and sick leave and paid vacation. The U.S. must end the national disgrace of being the only major country in the world not to offer paid family leave."

M4A is cradle to grave care. For babies, it's pre-natal for the mother.

"We have a dysfunctional childcare and pre-K system that has completely ignored the radical changes that have taken place in our economy over the last 40 years. Bernie will guarantee childcare and universal prekindergarten for every child in America to help level the playing field, create new and good jobs, and enable parents more easily balance the demands of work and home." This is a direct quote from the Sanders texting volunteer FAQ.

I'd link the doc, but the campaign has requested that we not link the actual doc, just cut/paste the content if we want.

This is the texting FAQ, so it's not as detailed as his actual policy pages on his website. Each of the policy suggestions and goals have payment options listed on the full site. It's also important to note that most of these programs can be paid for by undoing the bullshit tax cuts for the wealthy and shifting our priorities to building a better social safety net for Americans.
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I forgot about the wall-street speculative tax, isn't that just a tax on purchasing stock? What is his reasoning to add interference to the free market instead of just increasing capital gains taxes or income tax? I think that is a really bad idea.

I can get on board wiping out student debt. If we are going to give those 45 million Americans in debt the benefit of the doubt though, than the system that put them into debt needs to be corrected too. That debt forgiveness needs to come wrapped in legislation that reduces the cost of college for the government(if we are going free college) and education reform that doesn't ram every student through the system with college as the ultimate goal. Give kids pathways early on.

Whatever candidate starts taking early childhood education seriously, including childcare all the way down to newborns, and extended paternity and maternity leave(with some caveats), automatically gets my vote.
What should happen is shit hole “institutions of higher learning” like Rasmussen and Kaiser that charge ridiculous fees for a lesser degree than any community college be treated like Trump U. A two year MA degree for 30k? Give me a ducking break. Oh, but, capitalism.

Every state has laws protecting the elderly from scammers targeting. Same should apply to our misguided youth.
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I forgot about the wall-street speculative tax, isn't that just a tax on purchasing stock? What is his reasoning to add interference to the free market instead of just increasing capital gains taxes or income tax? I think that is a really bad idea.

I can get on board wiping out student debt. If we are going to give those 45 million Americans in debt the benefit of the doubt though, than the system that put them into debt needs to be corrected too. That debt forgiveness needs to come wrapped in legislation that reduces the cost of college for the government(if we are going free college) and education reform that doesn't ram every student through the system with college as the ultimate goal. Give kids pathways early on.

Whatever candidate starts taking early childhood education seriously, including childcare all the way down to newborns, and extended paternity and maternity leave(with some caveats), automatically gets my vote.
The Wall Street tax is directed at the billions of computer generated buys and sells that accomplish what no human can do. Billions of dollars moved in a flash when markets vary oh so slightly but volume of these micro transactions add up to huge $. Not targeting regular consumers buying 10 shares of whatever on them r brokerage account.
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Kelly Canfield, a business analyst from Denver, said he’s encouraged by how “mainstream” the Sanders agenda has gone.

“It’s about time,” said Canfield, 57. “None of it is radical. To me, if the Democratic Party picks Bernie, it’s more like going home, to FDR, instead of running to the right like they have been. This is as American as apple pie. Not radical.”
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Nah, it's just a tax on the high-frequency algorithm-driven trades that add instability to the market and basically game the system faster than any human being possibly could. So it taxes those a fraction of a penny etc. and has the added benefit of driving down the frequency of these trades which would add stability to the stock markets(or that's the idea at least).
I thought a tax on stock purchases was proposed a while back and that this was it. I'm good with this tax.

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"We have a dysfunctional childcare and pre-K system that has completely ignored the radical changes that have taken place in our economy over the last 40 years. Bernie will guarantee childcare and universal prekindergarten for every child in America to help level the playing field, create new and good jobs, and enable parents more easily balance the demands of work and home." This is a direct quote from the Sanders texting volunteer FAQ.
I just went to his site and read everything he had to say about this. Pleasantly surprised. In fairness though after some more research I now realize that all of the other major democratic candidates have similar goals, which makes me very happy. What makes Sanders different? I don't think Biden's and Pete's plans cover the early early ages which is a negative for me, but I did notice that Pete has a lot more detail and includes how he'll pay for it.
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I thought a tax on stock purchases was proposed a while back and that this was it. I'm good with this tax.



I just went to his site and read everything he had to say about this. Pleasantly surprised. In fairness though after some more research I now realize that all of the other major democratic candidates have similar goals, which makes me very happy. What makes Sanders different? I don't think Biden's and Pete's plans cover the early early ages which is a negative for me, but I did notice that Pete has a lot more detail and includes how he'll pay for it.
What makes Sanders different is he's had these same positions for 30+ years and it's only recently that the rest of the Left has caught up (interestingly, Independents and even some Republicans like these positions). The fact that the other candidates have all moved to meet him is indicative of who has actually been leading the party since 2015. Just watch any debate, they're all filled with questions framed to attack Sanders' positions. Hell, the last one they gave everyone a chance to shit on "Democratic Socialism" for the first 15minutes. It's also that he doesn't promise these things, only that he shows where he's willing to fight with us to achieve them. He's also different because none of this gets passed without a movement behind it to get it passed (and even then, it'll be hard). No one else comes from movement politics. They lack the organizing experience and have Beltway D.C. notions about where power comes from.

Also, I think it's important for folks to realize that Bernie isn't a hardliner. He's never been one. When the ACA was fucked over by Liberman and the insurance industry to have the public option removed before negotiations even started, instead of pouting, he worked his ass off to get an amendment added to fund clinics for rural and underserved areas of the country. Some Sanders supporters likely don't really realize how transactional Sanders himself can be as far as the process of getting laws made. So there will be friction between Sanders and his supporters as well. The difference is, he's 100% reliant on them for funding and power. Obama campaigned as a populist progressive, was funded by the normal kingmakers, appointed the people CitiGroup suggested, and disbanded his people-powered movement "Obama for America"; so Obama really didn't have to answer to the people as they weren't the ones in his cabinet and weren't the ones funding his re-election, etc.. Sanders has "Our Revolution". So we'll see what happens with it if he should win the nomination.

Honestly, this is really the only proposition that should matter and my main one. He is dependent on the people alone. He's never painted himself as anything but a staunch ally of the poor, working-class, and middle-class of this country. So in any policy discussion, the decision to use force, trade treaty, executive order, you name it; he's going to center the entire thing on how it affects those people first before any other considerations are made. That's only radical in the sense that it hasn't been done that way since Truman and maybe LBJ. Like that 57 yo Coloradan woman said in the interview I linked earlier. "It's not radical, it's returning home to FDR for the Democratic Party."

What makes Sanders different is no one else running will have anywhere near the rabid support from their followers to combat the frothing xenophobic and racist hate energy of the MAGA crowd. Beating an incumbent with a locked-in and fired-up voting block will be hard for anyone running against Trump. Every Democratic Candidate (outside of Bloomberg) can probably rely on the known electorate of likely Dem voters). That won't get it done. We tried that with HRC. The Dems tried it with Gore (should have won if he fought it harder). They tried it with Kerry. Sanders's campaign is the only one with a model that expands the electorate to the 44% who didn't bother to vote last time. Those 80k African American voters in Milwaukee who couldn't be bothered to vote for Hillary. The 120k students in PA who didn't bother registering to vote in 2016. The independents who simply stayed home or left those parts of the ballot empty (undervote). Right now there are realistically 2 candidates who have the infrastructure, broad coalition, and money to continue running. Sanders and Bloomberg. The others aren't ready.

So, for me and most people of color, there is really only one choice left at this point. It's Sanders.

Ross Douthat's latest opinion piece in the NYT sums up Bloomberg and the danger he represents, particularly to the Left in this country:

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However, feelings can be deceiving. Trump’s authoritarian tendencies are naked on his Twitter feed, but Bloomberg’s imperial instincts, his indifference to limits on his power, are a conspicuous feature of his career. Trump jokes about running for a third term; Bloomberg actually managed it, bulldozing through the necessary legal changes. Trump tries to bully the F.B.I. and undermine civil liberties; Bloomberg ran New York as a miniature surveillance state. Trump has cowed the Republican Party with celebrity and bombast; Bloomberg has spent his political career buying organizations and politicians that might otherwise impede him. Trump blusters and bullies the press; Bloomberg literally owns a major media organization. Trump has Putin envy; Bloomberg hearts Xi Jinping.
There is no reason to sell our souls to that plutocrat. He's not some benevolent billionaire. Never has been. All of his philanthropy is political. All of his politics is personally motivated.

I'm voting Sanders until he's no longer on a ballot because, win or lose, he's where we should all be as a starting point. Nothing he's advocating for is radical, it just centers the needs of everyday Americans ahead of those currently ruling everything. Lots of room on the bandwagon, you're always welcome and we don't have to agree on all of the policy.
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