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Old 12-25-2017, 09:57 PM
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Ya know, Donnie's not wrong about Karlsson ...except for the letting him walk part.


Overpaying for Karlsson because we are scared, out of all teams what Toronto is going to do, is also something that isn't getting past the BS detector. They will gut their team trying to make that happen.
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Old 12-25-2017, 10:23 PM
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Sure, but Yzerman should at least be in the mix if for no other reason than to drive up the price.

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maybe Jason Demers?
Not a bad idea for a modest deadline target. I'd add that we could easily get Zona to throw in Brad Richardson, an upgrade at fourth-line center who would instantly be our best faceoff guy.

I'm telling y'all, we MUST address this. We don't have a single guy even at 50% (Johnson is at 49.9), and we will most assuredly see teams with faceoff specialists in the playoffs Ė Washington with Beagle, Pittsburgh with Sheahan, Boston with Bergeron, which is even tougher when you're facing a top-line guy.

This is why I'm borderline obsessed with getting Vermette. It's because, unlike guys like Brad Richardson or even Brian Boyle who don't offer a whole lot of offensive consistency and therefore would be a defensive zone faceoff specialist for us (which is still something we desperately need to add), at least a guy like Vermette can center your third line and earn more ice time and take a couple thousand faceoffs a year. He's a perfect fit for our needs with his career faceoff numbers at or above 60%. Get him!
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Old 12-25-2017, 10:31 PM
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Just to be clear, you want to trade for a franchise/borderline generational talent and then let them walk?

Maybe you should have another think of what you are proposing
First off, while he is reportedly available, I don’t know that Ottawa is ready to face a fan revolt in trading him before they try to reach a deal over the summer.

Second, I don’t think SFY is going to want to pay the price it would take to get him and jeopardize his locker room.

I think it is fantasy to think he comes here.

But we’re you to acquire him, I don’t know how you give him the $12 million he is reportedly going to want when Hedman is getting around 8 and Stamkos $8.5. It throws the team salary structure in the dumper.
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Old 12-26-2017, 07:12 AM
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Sure, but Yzerman should at least be in the mix if for no other reason than to drive up the price.

I'm telling y'all, we MUST address this. We don't have a single guy even at 50% (Johnson is at 49.9), and we will most assuredly see teams with faceoff specialists in the playoffs – Washington with Beagle, Pittsburgh with Sheahan, Boston with Bergeron, which is even tougher when you're facing a top-line guy.


This is why I'm borderline obsessed with getting Vermette. It's because, unlike guys like Brad Richardson or even Brian Boyle who don't offer a whole lot of offensive consistency and therefore would be a defensive zone faceoff specialist for us (which is still something we desperately need to add), at least a guy like Vermette can center your third line and earn more ice time and take a couple thousand faceoffs a year. He's a perfect fit for our needs with his career faceoff numbers at or above 60%. Get him!
FACEOFFS

Without question that is the hole in the team structure. Yes, we can do well in the warmup season but when it comes to crunch time against teams with top line face off guys over the 7 game series the failure to win face offs will once again cost us the cup.

The second concern is the backup goalie. Budaj does not seem capable so far this year. We can't play Vasy for 70 games and expect to make a run. Budaj played last year behind a structured D that kept him out of harms way and bloated his actual numbers. What he is showing this year is closer to his historic numbers and that is not good enough for this team. We need someone to give us a solid 20+ games in net to keep Vasy fresh for the playoffs.

Two needs to be addressed going forward that I think will make the difference between a cup of coffee in the playoffs and the only thing that matters for this team. The CUP anything else is a failure!
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Old 12-26-2017, 09:55 AM
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First off, while he is reportedly available, I donít know that Ottawa is ready to face a fan revolt in trading him before they try to reach a deal over the summer.

Second, I donít think SFY is going to want to pay the price it would take to get him and jeopardize his locker room.

I think it is fantasy to think he comes here.

But weíre you to acquire him, I donít know how you give him the $12 million he is reportedly going to want when Hedman is getting around 8 and Stamkos $8.5. It throws the team salary structure in the dumper.
I wonder how much 12 million in Ottawa translates to in take home $$ in Florida.
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Old 12-26-2017, 10:11 AM
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Even with the cap going up I do not see how you can acquire a player like Karlsson.

We can extend Kucherov on July 1 and he will make a huge hit in our cap. TheThe Score has him rated as top player in the NHL as of their latest rating.

You can also extend Point at this time and lock him in also.

Do not forget about Namestnikov who becomes an RFA at the end of this season.

And then you have Vasilevskiy and Sergachev that can be extended at the end of the 2018-2019 season and will see nice raises.

I am not willing to give up the youth that it would take to land Karlsson nor am I willing to give up that cap space.
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Old 12-26-2017, 11:06 AM
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Since we are in make believe land, after signing everyone we have to sign in 18-19, we still have $3 million in cap space. Trading Johnson and Koekkoek and eliminating Sustr is more than enough.

The salary cap crunch is in 19-20 when he is a free agent.

That’s not the issue.
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Old 12-26-2017, 11:36 AM
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When has Yzerman ever made a trade where the thought was just for the next year or so, let alone one that would give up a guy signed for multiple years. Every team is going to go after Karlsson and offer him any and all the money he wants. RHD upgrade is needed, but no way I see Karlsson.

I like the idea of Demers. Another I thought of, what about Justin Faulk? If I remember correctly, he's been passed on the depth chart there and they have some really good young dmen coming up as well. That's a team that has 1 more goal scored than Montreal, gotta think they would love someone that can bring some more offense.
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Old 12-26-2017, 01:25 PM
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The salary cap crunch is in 19-20 when he is a free agent.
And, as I mentioned, we'll open up $11.2M by letting Girardi, Coburn and Stralman walk at that time.
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Old 12-26-2017, 01:34 PM
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And, as I mentioned, we'll open up $11.2M by letting Girardi, Coburn and Stralman walk at that time.
Yeah, but 18-19 also involves resigning Point and Kuch. I think you could see that $11 mil go to those two right there. Then you have Sergachev as well.
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