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Old 06-13-2008, 11:24 AM
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not a bad idea, although it doesn;t seem enough for him... I think Boyler could be as good or even better in a system where he doesn;t have free reign. he just has to find a happy median....
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Old 06-13-2008, 11:43 AM
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hehe... I think it's the opposite. I think his value is being in a system where he's allowed to rush the puck at will. The key words there are "his value."

I think in a traditional system, he's a 35+ point dman with mediocre at best plus/minus numbers but is mostly used as a PP specialist. In other words, the type of player that normally costs under 4 mil, not 6+.

With Torts system gone, I don't think he's worth the money to keep. But... he may hurt the team more by not being here and having that PP option.

I also think that his value on the trade market will be considerably less than it was at the deadline.

(That said, Torts is a bad match for a young team in LA)

Targeting the Kings and their 15 picks is a good idea though.

I'm reminded of 2001 draft, where TB took 14 players.

Only 2 every made it to the NHL (Svitov, Artyukhin), which means last year zero played in the NHL. That was the third year in a row where Dudley drafted double-digit numbers. He took 10 in 2000, zero of whom were in the NHL last year, and 10 in 1999, again, zero of whom were in the NHL last year.

TB had 13 in 2002 under Feaster, and 3 played in the league last year (Ranger, Craig, Norrena). Also 13 in 2003, with 2 playing in the league (Smaby, Tarnasky [Boutin with water-bottle duty for a game or 2])

For LA to have 15 in a 7 round draft is incredible. TB needs one of those drafts (without Dudley) to stock the system. Desperately.

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Old 06-13-2008, 12:24 PM
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not a bad idea, although it doesn;t seem enough for him...
You might be able to get Patrick O'Sullivan from the Kings + one of LA's 3 2nd round picks. O'Sullivan had a breakout year, but the Kings are stocked with young centerman, and perhaps got the opportunity with Handzus out all season with an injury. They'll be logjammed up the middle with Handzus' return.

In the bye and bye, Feaster wasn't high on O'Sullivan at 2003 draft because of his perceived character issues, and passed on him to pick Egener and Smaby ahead of him in the 2nd round. I remember asking Feaster about passing over O'Sullivan to take 2 defenseman in a post-draft interview (it was here in Nashville), and the character issues basically made him a non-pick for the TBL.

The reason I like Purcell better than O'Sullivan is that we'll be jammed up at center after the Stamkos pick and the "likely" resigning of Gratton later in the summer. With Lecavalier, Stamkos, Halpern, Gratton, and Jones in the mix, I'd rather see some wingers in the fold that can put the puck in the net. Purcell could make the squad straight out of camp, especially with Harju not coming over, and even if he doesn't, having an 83 point guy in Norfolk would be a blessing.

If you think Purcell + 1st (28th overall) is not "enough" for Boyle and his fat contract, then throw in another one of LA's 14 other picks -- say a 3rd or 4th.
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Old 06-13-2008, 03:03 PM
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. O'Sullivan had a breakout year, but the Kings are stocked with young centerman, and perhaps got the opportunity with Handzus out all season with an injury. They'll be logjammed up the middle with Handzus' return.

O'Sullivan got his shot when Michael Cammalleri was hurt for most of the season. He was a winger for most of the season.

I believe that Cammy is available as trade bait. I can't imagine them trading away Purcell or Sully away. They do need blueline help and I don't think that Boyle would be a good match. They need physical, defensive defensemen. With Jack Johnson, Visnovsky and Preissing, I don't see a need for another offensive defenseman.

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Old 06-13-2008, 04:05 PM
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Good info, astro... was hoping you would chime in (that's why I made a few bold statements!)

Chad and I were wondering how much wing that O'Sullivan played.

So... Purcell is highly regarded in LA organization?
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:55 PM
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Good info, astro... was hoping you would chime in (that's why I made a few bold statements!)

Chad and I were wondering how much wing that O'Sullivan played.

So... Purcell is highly regarded in LA organization?
O' Sullivan played mostly on the wing. He had Handzus and Armstrong as his centerman.

From the fan's perspective, yes, Purcell is highly regarded. With O'Sullivan coming into his own and Purcell, I think that Cammalleri is expendable.

Lombardi has mentioned that he is willing to trade some picks to get some players in return. With Ersberg and LaBarbara, I think that they have decent goaltending until Bernier is ready to take over. They desperately need to upgrade the defense. They have good offensive defenseman, they need shutdown defenseman. Let's face it, Blake doesn't have that ability anymore (he is expected to resign with the Kings.)
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Old 06-13-2008, 05:00 PM
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Trading Boyler is an interesting thought, i admit. I bet they are not gonna even think about it though.
I don't think Boyle can ONLY be successful in Torts system. I just think he has to have a very solid stay at home partner and have the freedom to go - BUT within reason. It seemed when he came back from injury this year he was just out of control and making more mistakes than usual by forcing things. If he can avoid those mistakes and be able to use his abilities at the right times, he can be valuable in any system. He just has to have his head on straight. Last year was a mess for him since that skate fell off the hook...
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Old 06-15-2008, 10:39 AM
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Nice job.

Wing is certainly a need, and as has been pointed out in the article and here over the past while, the need for the next wave of defensemen is becoming apparent.

I still expect them to load up at forward - and the wildcard here is what Oren will order at the draft.
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Old 06-15-2008, 05:40 PM
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My guess: IF Oren Koules and his cronies have an effect on this draft, it'll be a player they've seen out in the WHL (Koules came up in the Dub and Len Barrie is obviously based out of BC and Barry Melrose is a Dub guy too) and they've fallen in love with. A guy like Geordie Wudrick, for instance. And if that guy exists, Oren could even instigate a trade up into the 2nd to get him.

I could see that happening.
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Part of a Hockey News blog (released today due to blogger's vacation)...

... by Mark Seidel, chief scout for North American Central Scouting and appears as a host on Leafs Lunch on AM 640 radio in Toronto.


B, Tampa Bay Lightning – When the Lightning won the draft lottery you knew its draft was going to be a good one. Quite frankly, they could have gone home after selecting Steven Stamkos and still called it a success. After the obvious choice of Stamkos, the Lightning took a few good reaches, but overall the tone was underwhelming. With their second pick – which didn’t come until the fourth round - Tampa Bay took James Wright who, despite having a high potential, had a mediocre year and has a lot to improve on. The Lightning then went with Dustin Tokarski, the goalie who led the Spokane Chiefs to a Memorial Cup title. Tokarski played well in the playoffs, but his lack of consistency kept him far down on our list of goaltenders. The pick we really liked was Kyle De Coste from the Brampton Battalion of the OHL. Brampton coach Stan Butler raved about De Coste all year and at first blush we thought it was much ado about nothing, but the more we saw him play, the more his ability to do the little things won us over. Late round picks are always long shots, but we must applaud the class of the Tampa Bay organization for using their final pick on David Carle, who has a physical ailment that will prevent him from playing hockey anymore. Carle’s dream of being drafted was fulfilled, despite having no chance of making it to the NHL.

TBL's "B" grade was the lowest of the SE Division.
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