THe 2012 CBA Thread

[BurnTHalO]

Which in my sleep deprived round about way kind of gets at my point (I think, boy I did a terrible job from where I was originally going with this). Owners aren't giving anything, they are getting more money no matter where the deal ends up. You cna say that some were losing money, but the ones making the biggest push back and fighting the hardest are not the ones losing money (if any are losing money in the end).

[Top Shelf]

Originally Posted by Puckhead

Well, my boy fly doesn't need me to "defend" him...Nuff said.

True...And truer.

OK, I was going to let it die. It wants to. Nothing personal Puckhead, but if pile-on is gonna start, it's squelch time. Maybe this will let everyone feel they can move on.

The Most Important Point: This isn't about being "right" about the salary number; I hereby concede that as unimportant to me. What is important is personal integrity, which to me still has value regardless of who may be sadly lacking in that area. Nobody, incl. me, gives a rat's ass what the exact dollar and cents amount surgeons make is; it's a lot. These figures merely serve to demolish the unwarranted and totally false accusation that I pull numbers out of my rectum. Those would be some smelly numbers indeed. More "proof" is somehow needed, which for some unknown reason I am supplying.

Again, just to be abundantly clear, we can all believe that this or that accountant's clientele could make more than this, and we're all truly impressed. We're in awe. What I'm being called out on and forced to drive a stake through, once and for all in this final post on this totally lame, boring subject, is the smarmy accusation of shamming numbers. While these figures may imply that throwing out the figure 200k wasn't really that stupid after all...I'm NOT even attempting to prove that these salaries are the actual, accurate pay of these docs; because if you're anything like me, you're sick to death of this BS and couldn't...care...less. These stupid discussions are just what we get sucked into every lockout. Attacking sources is standard extremist procedure whenever the data doesn't support the rigidly held preconceived beliefs that further their agenda; let's short-circuit that by stipulating right here that these numbers are ALL wrong, OK? You win: every single web site devoted to salary documentation among professionals is run by folks with even less knowledge than my own, if that were possible. Fair enough? Good, that's done. So, no need to come back and remind us of the upper-crust level of the clientele, or that this or that source isn't authoritative or accurate, or that you're right and I'm wrong, etc. Because...

(Also, it's worth keeping in mind, my figure was AFTER malpractice premiums. Those can take a bite out of a paycheck and leave a poor young surgeon barely able to make the payments on his Porsche Turbo Carrera.) [Edit to add: Figuratively speaking! No need to threadjack it to a bitch-fest over Porsche prices.]

Lessee, we already did Salary Expert dot com...lemme grab my tube of Warming K-Y to help the rest of these slide out of my large intestine a little more smoooooothly...

PayScale.com lists the average yearly salary for a cardiac/thoracic surgeon working in America as between $153,496 and $400,606.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/cardi...on-salary.html 90-400k
http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Thora...oston,-MA.html 102
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/th...RCH_KO0,16.htm 194-618
http://jobmeplz.com/cardiothoracic-surgeon-salary.html 101-500
http://www.salarylist.com/jobs/Thora...eon-Salary.htm 100-300
http://salaryquest.com/jobs-thoracic-surgeon-salary/ 229
http://mdsalaries.blogspot.com/2006/...-salaries.html 196-496
http://www.jobs-salary.com/thoracic-surgeon-salary.htm 109-308
http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.cf...sitionid=37953 100-175
http://www.salarylist.com/jobs/Cardi...eon-Salary.htm 166-400

You guys decide when it's enough...I reached that point days ago. $200k cash is on the nightstand, I'm done. Maybe we can just sort of pretend the guy has already come back with one final lame barb, and just leave it at that

[cromag]

Originally Posted by Top Shelf

True...And truer.

OK, I was going to let it die. It wants to. Nothing personal Puckhead, but if pile-on is gonna start, it's squelch time. Maybe this will let everyone feel they can move on.

The Most Important Point: This isn't about being "right" about the salary number; I hereby concede that as unimportant to me. What is important is personal integrity, which to me still has value regardless of who may be sadly lacking in that area. Nobody, incl. me, gives a rat's ass what the exact dollar and cents amount surgeons make is; it's a lot. These figures merely serve to demolish the unwarranted and totally false accusation that I pull numbers out of my rectum. Those would be some smelly numbers indeed. More "proof" is somehow needed, which for some unknown reason I am supplying.

Again, just to be abundantly clear, we can all believe that this or that accountant's clientele could make more than this, and we're all truly impressed. We're in awe. What I'm being called out on and forced to drive a stake through, once and for all in this final post on this totally lame, boring subject, is the smarmy accusation of shamming numbers. While these figures may imply that throwing out the figure 200k wasn't really that stupid after all...I'm NOT even attempting to prove that these salaries are the actual, accurate pay of these docs; because if you're anything like me, you're sick to death of this BS and couldn't...care...less. These stupid discussions are just what we get sucked into every lockout. Attacking sources is standard extremist procedure whenever the data doesn't support the rigidly held preconceived beliefs that further their agenda; let's short-circuit that by stipulating right here that these numbers are ALL wrong, OK? You win: every single web site devoted to salary documentation among professionals is run by folks with even less knowledge than my own, if that were possible. Fair enough? Good, that's done. So, no need to come back and remind us of the upper-crust level of the clientele, or that this or that source isn't authoritative or accurate, or that you're right and I'm wrong, etc. Because...

(Also, it's worth keeping in mind, my figure was AFTER malpractice premiums. Those can take a bite out of a paycheck and leave a poor young surgeon barely able to make the payments on his Porsche Turbo Carrera.) [Edit to add: Figuratively speaking! No need to threadjack it to a bitch-fest over Porsche prices.]

Lessee, we already did Salary Expert dot com...lemme grab my tube of Warming K-Y to help the rest of these slide out of my large intestine a little more smoooooothly...

PayScale.com lists the average yearly salary for a cardiac/thoracic surgeon working in America as between $153,496 and $400,606.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/cardi...on-salary.html 90-400k
http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Thora...oston,-MA.html 102
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/th...RCH_KO0,16.htm 194-618
http://jobmeplz.com/cardiothoracic-surgeon-salary.html 101-500
http://www.salarylist.com/jobs/Thora...eon-Salary.htm 100-300
http://salaryquest.com/jobs-thoracic-surgeon-salary/ 229
http://mdsalaries.blogspot.com/2006/...-salaries.html 196-496
http://www.jobs-salary.com/thoracic-surgeon-salary.htm 109-308
http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.cf...sitionid=37953 100-175
http://www.salarylist.com/jobs/Cardi...eon-Salary.htm 166-400

You guys decide when it's enough...I reached that point days ago. $200k cash is on the nightstand, I'm done. Maybe we can just sort of pretend the guy has already come back with one final lame barb, and just leave it at that

[aapbolt]

According to yahoo sports both sides requested mediators to attend today's secret meeting...wherever it was. Maybe we are closer to a deal than reported. Hope so.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by aapbolt

According to yahoo sports both sides requested mediators to attend today's secret meeting...wherever it was. Maybe we are closer to a deal than reported. Hope so.

A couple of tweets today stated that 4 NHL clubs have told their staff to be on standby and ready to go to work. That was through Wyshynski's crew, and they even said to not get your hopes up just yet. I think they're closer than we're being led to believe.

[Top Shelf]

rds.ca

Players at yesterday's "meeting" in NJ included Craig Adams, Adrian Aucoin, Brad Boyes, Chris Campoli, Mathieu Darche, Shane Doan, Ron Hainsey, Jamal Mayers, Andy McDonald, Steve Montador, Brendan Morrison, Douglas Murray and Daniel Winnik. Bettman, Daly and some other NHL lawyers, but no owners.

We're all just amazed out of our hides that not one face-to-face negotiation took place, no progress made and no other meetings on the schedule, aren't we. *yawn* Glad they're as serious about getting an agreement hammered out as the fatuous twits with suet for brains in DC. Leadership has gone the way of the dodo (not the one in charge, the extinct bird)

[the_narrow_way]

I thought when you were having meetings to discuss the situation you, you know, actually have both sides at the same table? Dafuq is the point of a dozen players being at the table when there are no discussions able to take place because the owners' rep(s) aren't there?

[aapbolt]

The whole point is that Bettman wants them to take his deal, eg attempt to browbeat the players. The whole thing is stupid. They must have the mediators running back and forth between the rooms. Another thought is that by not having everyone in the same room it keeps emotions out of the way of screwing up any real discussions.

[uf1910]

Originally Posted by aapbolt

The whole point is that Bettman wants them to take his deal, eg attempt to browbeat the players. The whole thing is stupid. They must have the mediators running back and forth between the rooms. Another thought is that by not having everyone in the same room it keeps emotions out of the way of screwing up any real discussions.

I think at this point that ship has sailed

[aapbolt]

Yeah that ship may have already sailed uf1910, but according to what I have recently read it is standard operating procedure for mediators to work this way. Hopefully they will find a compromise that works.