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ChaseSpace 03-09-2011 11:02 AM

March 9th: Blackhawks @ Tampa
 
Chicago Blackhawks (37-24-6) AT Tampa Bay Lightning (37-21-8)
7:30PM, Versus

Chicago Blackhawks
Goals Leader: Patrick Sharp (33)
Assists Leader: Jonathan Toews (38)
Points Leader: Jonathan Toews (65)
GAA Leader: Corey Crawford 2.25
SV% Leader: Corey Crawford 91.8%

GF: 220
GA: 185
PP: 23.7%
PK: 78.6%

Tampa Bay Lightning
Goals Leader: Steven Stamkos (41)
Assists Leader: Martin St. Louis (52)
Points Leader: Steven Stamkos (79)
GAA Leader: Dwayne Roloson 2.61
SV% Leader: Dwayne Roloson 90.9%

GF: 196
GA: 200
PP: 20.4%
PK: 82.7%

Sotnos 03-09-2011 11:38 AM

Team twitter: TBLightning Tampa Bay Lightning
All signs point toward Mike Lundin returning to the Lightning line up tonight

:happydance:

This was from DC yesterday:
Quote:

Lundin ready?: Defenseman Mike Lundin, out 13 games with what is believed an abdominal injury, practiced with the team on Tuesday and could play Wednesday against the Blackhawks. The plan was to get Lundin in by the weekend, but with Randy Jones out indefinitely with a high ankle sprain sustained late in the third period against the Capitals, Lundin may be forced to go a little early.
I really hope he's ready and this isn't pushing it too much.

Dman21 03-09-2011 12:06 PM

I hope he is not rushing himself back in to the lineup too soon. We need a fully recovered Lundin. I am holding out hope for a solid game like we are capable of playing and getting the much needed two points.

Avery86 03-09-2011 01:50 PM

High ankle sprain? Dammit man, might as well just say he's out for the rest of the regular season.

hfgreg 03-09-2011 02:28 PM

I saw it happen and knew right away it was bad he left straight to the locker room. Sucks as he has been so solid for us.

Sotnos 03-09-2011 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hfgreg (Post 98122)
I saw it happen and knew right away it was bad he left straight to the locker room. Sucks as he has been so solid for us.

What happened? I really don't think I saw it.


From the team's twitter: TBLightning Tampa Bay Lightning
Roloson in net tonight against Chicago. Lundin will be back on the ice for the first time since Feb 4. 7 defensemen for the Bolts.

Bolts_26 03-09-2011 03:31 PM

Let's get two points. I'm going out for my Sisters birthday tonight, so I won't be able to chat on here tonight.

Hoek 03-09-2011 03:35 PM

Last time the Hawks were here, Stammer had his first hat trick if I recall correctly.

Dman21 03-09-2011 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoek (Post 98127)
Last time the Hawks were here, Stammer had his first hat trick if I recall correctly.

Would like to see history repeat itself.:D

Avery86 03-09-2011 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98123)
Lundin will be back on the ice for the first time since Feb 4. 7 defensemen for the Bolts.

Sucks to lose Jones but Lundin coming back should help; not to mention he makes Ohlund a better player.

Bouché 03-09-2011 05:36 PM

Really tough to lose a stalwart like Jones for an extended period of time, he's such a rock back there..........not.

I'm very happy that Lundin is back, it will provide instant stability for our blueline and will help us greatly once he gets his conditioning back and the rust out if the way. Ohlund's recent play without Lundin has got me thinking. What if Lundin actually had a good partner on D? I'd love to see him paired with Brewer but they are both RD unfortunately.

RSchmitz 03-09-2011 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradL (Post 98142)
Really tough to lose a stalwart like Jones for an extended period of time, he's such a rock back there..........not.

:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:

Donnie D 03-09-2011 07:12 PM

He is out for the pregame skate.

Reminds me of a Calgary home game with the sea of red. So far it isn't as bad as the Montreal game.

njbolt12 03-09-2011 07:27 PM

All those brand new Toews / Kane jerseys...

I'd love to see a win tonight, for once.

Sotnos 03-09-2011 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 98145)
He is out for the pregame skate.

Lundin, I assume!

Quote:

Reminds me of a Calgary home game with the sea of red. So far it isn't as bad as the Montreal game.
Brand spankin' new jerseys, I'm sure.

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 07:42 PM

Yeah baby, Hawks Roadwatch Party!!! :blah:

I imagine the typical bandwagon Tampa fan to have a revolving closet full of jerseys, a la Alicia Silverstone in Clueless. They have a computer program that tells them which team is in first place, when they last won a title and the name of at least one player on the current roster. Voila, a die hard (insert team name here) fan!

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 07:45 PM

unbelievable... the lineman checks st louis on a 2-on-2 break..:doh:

we look good.. great start thus far, we look like we are energized

BurnTHalO 03-09-2011 07:53 PM

Jesus is Kubina a freaking liability out there.

BurnTHalO 03-09-2011 07:54 PM

This is the best Ohlund we have seen in over a month so far.

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 07:54 PM

Welcome back, Stammer.

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 07:55 PM

couple notes...

ohlund is crushhing people and i mean crushing people. kanes then toews both got laid out

passes look a little sloppy

outstanding save by roloson.... top 5 save of the year

and STAMKOSSSSS WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

BurnTHalO 03-09-2011 07:55 PM

Haha, I thought Clark screwed that pass up horribly, turned out he had better vision than I did from the TV. Nice breakout.

BurnTHalO 03-09-2011 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scobo_24 (Post 98157)
couple notes...

ohlund is crushhing people and i mean crushing people. kanes then toews both got laid out

passes look a little sloppy

and STAMKOSSSSS WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

It feels like the puck may be bouncing but I can't tell. The puck just seems to be coming off everyone's stick.

Avery86 03-09-2011 07:58 PM

It's good to see Ohlund flattening people again.

Avery86 03-09-2011 08:00 PM

Is this a Chicago feed or a VS. feed? :rolleyes:

BurnTHalO 03-09-2011 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avery86 (Post 98161)
Is this a Chicago feed or a VS. feed? :rolleyes:

Chicago. This is the actual Chicago feed that Vs. is piggybacking off of.

Avery86 03-09-2011 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurnTHalO (Post 98162)
Chicago. This is the actual Chicago feed that Vs. is piggybacking off of.

Oh, haha. Good to know.

I think I just saw a guy in a Blackhawks sweater wearing a Red Sox hat. Sigh.

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 08:05 PM

I remember going to a Blackhawks game here once a few years back. A couple of Roenick jerseys, a throwback Hull and then a Daze or two.

Bandwagon slime.

BurnTHalO 03-09-2011 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avery86 (Post 98163)
Oh, haha. Good to know.

I think I just saw a guy in a Blackhawks sweater wearing a Red Sox hat. Sigh.

I really can't believe how freaking cheap Vs. is. I just want one guy who does almost all the games who is hired by Vs. Give us a Gary Thorne.

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurnTHalO (Post 98162)
Chicago. This is the actual Chicago feed that Vs. is piggybacking off of.

the irony is in the last versus "nuetral" feed when we played the crapitals...felt more like an away team feed than this one.

MARTYYYYY!!!!

Avery86 03-09-2011 08:09 PM

What a shot by Marty. Yikes. Great goal and a good way to kill the Chicago momentum heading into the first intermission.

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 08:10 PM

great first period. they came out solid...boucher has to be pleased. and may god let the floodgates open...pleasssseeee

outstanding shots by stammer and st louis. you still have your shot stammer.. USEE IT!!!

BurnTHalO 03-09-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avery86 (Post 98167)
What a shot by Marty. Yikes. Great goal and a good way to kill the Chicago momentum heading into the first intermission.

Agreed, that was a big play by Stamkos and and great shot by Marty.

Hoek 03-09-2011 08:12 PM

2 goals in one period. Hopefully we can finish the game with more than that. :p

Maybe now that Marty scored his passing will settle down.

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 08:28 PM

Purcellllllll :happydance:

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 08:29 PM

yesssss.... finally some bounces come our way. it feels sooo good.

good shot Purcell

Hoek 03-09-2011 08:30 PM

Huge.. a goal at the end of one period, and then at the start of the next one. Build on it.

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 08:35 PM

foot on the pedal guys.... push push. huge opportunity to shut them down early. gagne is getting some wicked shots on net. i think he is going to pot one in before this night is over.

and finally tampa gets some credit. these announcers are giving us due creit and is nothing but complimenting what boucher and yzerman have brought to our club. nice change for an away feed.

ThePowerOfGlove 03-09-2011 08:48 PM

Ohlund Smash!...On Marty.

ThePowerOfGlove 03-09-2011 08:49 PM

Victor with the glove save!

ThePowerOfGlove 03-09-2011 08:51 PM

:sulk: Can we put some of our sweaters behind our team's bench?

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyMite26 (Post 98178)
:sulk: Can we put some of our sweaters behind our team's bench?

I say give those rows to local charities, service men/women, LEOs, etc. Might piss off some season ticket holders but I'm tired of seeing the visiting team camp out there as well.

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 08:57 PM

did boucher put the team on steriods this last week or so. this team has put more hits up and played a much more physical game. i like it, it kinda puts these teams on a hurry to get rid of the puck because they dont expect to be checked.

boy is it great to have lundin back

Hoek 03-09-2011 08:57 PM

Yeah really annoying.. Especially when they act like douches.

ThePowerOfGlove 03-09-2011 09:00 PM

I feel like Marty could've taken that one. He's too quick not to.

ThePowerOfGlove 03-09-2011 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoek (Post 98181)
Yeah really annoying.. Especially when they act like douches.

Yeah that double-chinned fellow......

RSchmitz 03-09-2011 09:09 PM

Love Ohlund being physical. But then he has another screw up on the Hawks second goal :duh:

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 09:31 PM

geeeeez... look at our powerplay... we look like we had more shots on this one pp then we have had in all last month.

Hoek 03-09-2011 09:40 PM

Out of gas in the third again?

Flycoon 03-09-2011 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoek (Post 98186)
Out of gas in the third again?

Appears so. Is this a characteristic of this system? Maybe this is the hockey equivalent of the spread offense in football.

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 09:50 PM

Just lay out the table for Brouwer, Ohlund :mad:

RSchmitz 03-09-2011 09:52 PM

Ohlund and Kubina on the same pairing. Dumb and Dumber

How quaint of them of them to do a fan cam in our own building. Sooo many Blackhawk fans, so embarrassing

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 09:56 PM

horrible call... but lets capitalize on it

Hoek 03-09-2011 09:57 PM

Couldn't even keep it in.. Sigh..

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 10:00 PM

another post... *sigh*

gatsby 03-09-2011 10:01 PM

This team has to relearn how to finish games. Either that or stop scoring first.

RSchmitz 03-09-2011 10:07 PM

Yeah, shouldn't have been a penalty. But I've seen several penalties against us where we cleared it off the glass and into the stands, we never whined that much.

Obvious, obvious trip on Lecavalier in OT not called :noidea:

Flycoon 03-09-2011 10:09 PM

Does the league want to ensure Chicago makes the playoffs? Only reason that trip on Vinny wasn't called.

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 10:09 PM

I'm sure the local papers tomorrow will be rife with comments about how these guys keep saying "Welcome to Tampa Bay", right? ;)

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 10:10 PM

Quote:

Does the league want to ensure Chicago makes the playoffs? Only reason that trip on Vinny wasn't called.
That or they just want a longer game with a Buttman Shootout Special.

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 10:12 PM

Nice job, Marty....but watch for that to be outlawed this off-season.

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 10:12 PM

OMFGGGGG WHAT A SHOT!!! OMFGGGGGGG!!!! WOWWWWWw

Hoek 03-09-2011 10:13 PM

Whee now we're gonna have a bunch of people questioning Marty's goal and calling it classless. :rolleyes:

Who cares, it was AWESOME. :p

RSchmitz 03-09-2011 10:14 PM

What a perty goal Louie :highfive:

We needed this win

ChaseSpace 03-09-2011 10:14 PM

Roli! Marty!

Scobo_24 03-09-2011 10:14 PM

absolutely awesome shootout goal...it did look like it stopped though. idk... ill take it cuz they didnt give us the trip on vinny

gatsby 03-09-2011 10:17 PM

Nice to see Guy go away from Moore, Hall, random third person

Sotnos 03-09-2011 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatsby (Post 98205)
Nice to see Guy go away from Moore, Hall, random third person

I hope he did it for his own reasons, not because out of town talking heads are questioning his decision making.

Moore won either one or two shootouts for us, and Hall is the best at it in practice. :rolleyes:

BurnTHalO 03-09-2011 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flycoon (Post 98196)
Does the league want to ensure Chicago makes the playoffs? Only reason that trip on Vinny wasn't called.

To be fair, we got an awful nice break in that horrible call at the end of the third, and right before that trip we committed a pretty blatant penalty that went uncalled. They let it go in OT, I'm ok with that.

As for the game. Some things have become blatantly obvious.

1.) Ohlund can not play this style as a top dman. He seems to fade as the game goes on, and I really attribute it to him just being older and not having the skating to play this style that much in one game.

2.) There is no way in hell Bergeron could be any worse to have out there in 5-5 hockey than Kubina. I thought the announcers were going to start laughing at the number of turnovers and just blown plays he had.

3.) Lundin looked solid. Not spectacular, but first game back he was solid. I fully expect him and Brewer as the top d pair next game.

4.) Vinny is working and he is working hard.

5.) I have no idea why we didn't let Thompson/Hall and/or Bergeron out there in OT. They seemed to be the only ones creating constant pressure in the 3rd period.

6.) Thank God we got the second point, that was big.

Hoek 03-09-2011 10:25 PM

Ohlund and Kubina were a joke out there, though at least the former had some big hits early on. Ohlund may have to turn into a Nolan Pratt or something.

As for why Boucher went to those guys in the shootout, maybe it was because it would be a surprise to them and they wouldn't feel the pressure so much after being passed over before. Maybe also hoping if one of them got the big goal it would spark their confidence even more.

pete 03-09-2011 10:31 PM

PAY WINDAH!

He didn't stop. He clutched on the shot to fake a backhand low stick side and then roofed it.

Ohlund and Kubina need to be loaded in a cannon and shot to the moon.

Bolts_26 03-09-2011 10:31 PM

Wow... I only got to see the 2nd, and from the last 5 minutes on, but decent game... Nice to see Stammer playing well... Roli was solid... Tremendous move from MSL.

pete 03-09-2011 10:32 PM

15 games left... 11 against teams that wouldn't be in the playoffs as of right now. If they can't finish this off, they've got nobody to blame but themselves.

Sotnos 03-09-2011 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoek (Post 98208)
Ohlund may have to turn into a Nolan Pratt or something.

You want him to play overseas you mean? ;)

I hope I never have to see him and Kubina paired up again.

Bolts_26 03-09-2011 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete (Post 98214)
15 games left... 11 against teams that wouldn't be in the playoffs as of right now. If they can't finish this off, they've got nobody to blame but themselves.

Yeah, I really would like to see a strong push for a 2nd or 3rd seed. Caps have a fairly favorable sched too (as far as I remember) so it will be a heated battle, but lets hope this game gave the boys some momentum and we just roll from here.

Hoek 03-09-2011 10:41 PM

3 of those games are against Ottawa and two are against Florida. Can we please stop stinking out loud against them?

njbolt12 03-09-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98206)
I hope he did it for his own reasons, not because out of town talking heads are questioning his decision making.

Moore won either one or two shootouts for us, and Hall is the best at it in practice. :rolleyes:

Boucher mentioned he put Vinny out there Monday because he felt he was due after having his game winner taken away, and the MVS line were our best players tonight, so it makes sense to have them go. Stammer and Vinny had good attempts at least.

Another blatant hose job by the zebras on Vinny though. Can we expect this every game?

njbolt12 03-09-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maverick9911 (Post 98199)
Nice job, Marty....but watch for that to be outlawed this off-season.

I don't think so. You can't come to a complete stop, and he didn't.

njbolt12 03-09-2011 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98215)
You want him to play overseas you mean? ;)

I hope I never have to see him and Kubina paired up again.

Ohlund seems to be getting worse every game. He's got to be playing through some sort of lower body issue. He's in decline, but he's getting worse every shift. It's horrendable. He did have two huge hits in the first though.

Kubina's had a bad stretch too. I have more hope for him though. Ohlund used to be very mobile in his prime. Kuby... not so much.

Thank god Lundin is back and our forwards in general are doing a lot to help out defensively.

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 10:53 PM

Quote:

I don't think so. You can't come to a complete stop, and he didn't.
I know he didn't but I fully expect for people to bitch enough in the offseason and then have some debate as to whether those types of goals (the ones that make the refs even consider a review) count.

njbolt12 03-09-2011 10:55 PM

One last thing: Teddy Purcell is a keeper. He's got loads of talent and he's consistently competing and working hard and playing solid defensively to go along with the productive offensive flair. He also seems to be sticking wherever you put him. Thank you Brian Lawton.

Oh, and to be honest, for a #6 dman / enforcer type, John Scott didn't look bad at all out there.

Hoek 03-09-2011 11:02 PM

I really hope they don't outlaw that kind of goal. To me the rule is to outlaw you stopping, then pulling the puck back for a better angle after the goalie's committed (something you wouldn't do on an actual breakaway unless something went horribly wrong for the defense). What Marty did was part of a spinorama, which is specifically defined as allowed.

njbolt12 03-09-2011 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maverick9911 (Post 98227)
I know he didn't but I fully expect for people to bitch enough in the offseason and then have some debate as to whether those types of goals (the ones that make the refs even consider a review) count.

I agree - I'm sure Edmonton fans are coming out the woodwork on HF calling him a hypocrite again, but you see these moves practically every shootout.

Even if that move gets outlawed, I bet the standard is applied as judiciously as the whole "eliminate hits to the head campaign."

Maverick9911 03-09-2011 11:16 PM

+ YouTube Video
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BS "he stops". I'm looking at his skates only and there's still motion.

Puckhead 03-09-2011 11:23 PM

Well, about 40% hawks in the lower bowl tonite. Very loud though, and they comtinue the Chicago tradition of cheering thru the anthem. That I like and I hope we get something like that next year with Tod's new organ..hmmm, did I say that???:blush:

WaiverWire 03-09-2011 11:36 PM

I hope that we get Brewer to sign on as he has told SY that he would like to stay. money can then be freed up by having Ohlund wave his NTC to a west coast team.

If he would take a reduced salary, like half, I would even resign Gagne. Before Malone was hurt that line was starting to click.

njbolt12 03-09-2011 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puckhead (Post 98237)
Well, about 40% hawks in the lower bowl tonite. Very loud though, and they comtinue the Chicago tradition of cheering thru the anthem. That I like and I hope we get something like that next year with Tod's new organ..hmmm, did I say that???:blush:

TBH, I think the non stop cheering during the anthem is obnoxious. I'm not at all a rah-rah patriotism fly 10 flags on my car kind of guy but the anthem gives me chills when done well. It was distracting in the middle of what was a great performance (who is that girl btw?)

gatsby 03-09-2011 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98206)
I hope he did it for his own reasons, not because out of town talking heads are questioning his decision making.

Moore won either one or two shootouts for us, and Hall is the best at it in practice. :rolleyes:

I would bet he heard what they said and maybe took a little bit of it into consideration. But Stamkos and MSL both scored so I bet he figured they may have had the hot hand or stick in this case. Moore won 2 for us I think but Hall had definitely hit a rut. I'd rather not see the SO anymore to be honest.

gatsby 03-10-2011 12:12 AM

Even if Brad has a hate on for Randy Jones, I think he'll be missed out there. He has definitely improved a lot from the beginning of the season, although he is still Randy Jones-esque at times. But I don't think he's the liability he was at the beginning of the year when he and Vernace directly contributed to some goals against us. And he's no more a liability than Ohlund and Kubina lately. These 2 are showing their age badly and I cringe every time I see them out there. Sucks that our D consists of these two plus MAB and Smaby at times. That won't be good for the playoffs.

Also, I really love that DNA line. Just hustle, hustle, hustle. If only they could finish. Most consistent line all year and should be in consideration for our MVP of the team.

Sotnos 03-10-2011 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbolt12 (Post 98233)
I agree - I'm sure Edmonton fans are coming out the woodwork on HF calling him a hypocrite again, but you see these moves practically every shootout.

Oh it took all of 5 minutes for that to start up, combined with "that shouldn't have counted!" Can't bring myself to care a whole lot, this is that "it all balances out" that people like to talk about. :D

CTLightning26 03-10-2011 12:18 AM

It's funny to read the progression of posts after getting back from game.

Everyone was raving about Ohlund in the first period (He was real good), then he makes a few bobbles in the second and all of a sudden he's a bum again..
He did struggle a bit in the second...One play Kuby put him a bad position with a mindless pass.
But thought Ohlund came back to have a decent third...

Deal with Ohlund and Kubina folks. They are gonna be in the lineup. They will be focused in the playoffs.

If Bergeron played 20-21 minutes, we'd be in real trouble.

WaiverWire 03-10-2011 12:23 AM

I think the 1st period was the best we have seen from Ohlund. But as the game went on, as it was pointed out, he seemed to tire.

Our style of game has passed Pavel by. I love the guy and was happy he came back, but watching the style we now play it hurts to watch him, and makes me feel sorry for the guy because I know he could play better in a slower system.

Scobo_24 03-10-2011 12:24 AM

sooo i just got done reading some of the posts from chicago fans on hfboards (why? i dont know). but its real funny to read some of the posts.

"st louis came to a complete stop and the puck was still" no thats impossible
"and we get cheated by the refs again" really? one of the biggest bandwagon teams gets cheated???
"theres losing and then there is being cheated" um your boy tripped vinny and no call... wahhh

i am so tempted to post there but i hate when people do it here but i would love mmore than anything to give them a game preview of the caps game and say..."o you have been cheated?????"

i am not saying the play wasnt close but it kinda makes you wonder. there was what a total of 3 penalties all game?? it makes me think that bettman was like look, we took some heat for yall f'n the game up the other night..so chill out with the calls and let them play. and any close calls try not to make them vs tampa. ....maybe im dreaming

Top Shelf 03-10-2011 12:43 AM

If the ref had been any closer to Vinny as he was getting tripped, he'd have been wearing Lecavalier's jockstrap. Can't say he didn't see it. How these guys are allowing him, and especially Marty, to be tripped, hooked, etc. game after game is astonishing. Guess you don't screw with star players in the NHL unless they play in Tampa Bay. Then piss on 'em.

Can't imagine anyone having an attitude that we get hosed by referees continually :rolleyes:

Lucky for them they didn't disallow St. Louis' goal. IMHO if the NHL wants the $#%& shootout to stay because Bettman believes hockey fans (read: kiddie$) just loooooove the shootout, then those same sophisticated hockey aficionados also just looooove the fancy dancy in your pantsy spin-o-rama moves. They're here to stay as long as the stupid idiotic shootout. (BTW did I mention I can't stand those things?)

Great game by Ohlund early on, what an animal. Then he let that goal in and I started appreciating Lundin more.

RSchmitz 03-10-2011 01:44 AM

I know everybody loves the Brewer acquisition. But I think these past two games he has finally started to show a comfort level with the system to the point that he is having a major impact. Before it was just glimpses combined with inconsistent play, but now he is turning into a force.

timothy 03-10-2011 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatsby (Post 98194)
This team has to relearn how to finish games. Either that or stop scoring first.

2nd to last in the league in goal differential in the 3rd period. Yes. 29th.

Donnie D 03-10-2011 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flycoon (Post 98196)
Does the league want to ensure Chicago makes the playoffs? Only reason that trip on Vinny wasn't called.

But neither was the cross check on Brewer 10 seconds earlier.

Donnie D 03-10-2011 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puckhead (Post 98237)
Well, about 40% hawks in the lower bowl tonite. Very loud though, and they comtinue the Chicago tradition of cheering thru the anthem. That I like

Pissed me off. This isn't the Chicago Stadium. They are supposed to be guests in our house, not act like it is theirs. I would have booed, but it didn't seem appropriate during the singing of the anthem. I felt sorry for the young lady.

Oh, Blackhawk fan. When the ref puts his hand in the air, we pull the goalie for the extra man and you touch it and throw it in the net, that is not the time to start dancing, singing and then cursing at the lightning fans telling us that we are fucking losers. You just look like this is your first hockey game ever - even though is probably was.

If I own a store that sells team jerseys, I'm expecting a whole bunch of foks trying to return "slightly worn" Chicago jerseys this next week and trying to pawn them off as new. Either they are big Minnie Pearl fans or they intend to return them. I can't think of any other reason to leave the sales tags on the jersey.

And this is from someone who became a hockey fan watching Bobby Hull every Saturday night.

The only thing that would have made the evening better would have been to play their victory song over the pa as we left the forum.

BurnTHalO 03-10-2011 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98215)
You want him to play overseas you mean? ;)

I hope I never have to see him and Kubina paired up again.

To be fair, they weren't paired up. They got caught in a line change.


Sorry, but I have much more faith in Ohlund than Kubina. I really think Ohlund is suffering more from having to play to many minutes in to high paced a system. I think the evidence is how he declines durring a game. I think if he gets second/third pairing minutes, he will be much better. Kubina is only playing 17 minutes or so recently and he still looks awful. Terrible with the puck, people are going by him like it is me out there. I honestly believe Bergeron has looked better on defense, and would much rather have Smaby out there. Dude is a $3 mil+ waste of space in my eyes.

The Great Zo 03-10-2011 07:52 AM

I'm getting sick of the third-period collapses. The Lightning (a team challenging for a division title) are 29th in the whole league in goal differential in the 3rd. That's astounding. It may well be a result of the gas running out of the tank -- which leads to things like Ohlund fading from hit-machine to turnover-machine as the game goes on.

What, in this type of system, could possibly be done to keep the team fresher for the third? Might the ability to roll four full lines help?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flycoon (Post 98196)
Does the league want to ensure Chicago makes the playoffs? Only reason that trip on Vinny wasn't called.

That was brutal, but they had just let go a blatant cross-check that Brewer put on a 'hawk player who was already down. Letting them play in OT is fine with me.

RSchmitz 03-10-2011 08:15 AM

I want fair calling throughout the game.

Alex 03-10-2011 08:37 AM

My thoughts:

1. I didn't see any love for Hedman's play on Purcell's goal. He wasn't shooting for the net on that one, but shooting for Purcell's stick. Beautiful play by the both of them. Oh yeah, let's keep Purcell. He's alright.

2. At first I was pissed at Lecavalier being tripped in OT, but then I thought back to Brewer's crosscheck seconds earlier

3. Great hits by Ohlund in the beginning of the game. I think it rubbed off a little bit with Brewer trying to keep up with the "big hit total". Let's keep him too

4. Great to see Vinny get in Patty Kane's face in one of the scrums. You're an a$$hole, Vinny, keep it up (yes, the dollar signs are fitting. Ohhhh, did I just say that? :))

5. Good game by the refs too ::looks around for a man with goat legs and horns:: A lot of unneeded calls went uncalled. There was a stretch of 2 minutes or so where Chicago got away with some things, but the pace of the game was playoff style and usually warrents a lot of non-calls. Call me satisfied

6. Faceoffs were horrible in the latter half of the game. Got tired of losing those clean in the D zone and that had to have resulted in a couple of tiring shifts by the guys, wearing them down more than usual as the game went on

7. MVS were unstoppable in the first and hard-to-stop in the second. Great goal by Stammer when he wasn't even looking at the net

Thanks for reading, remember to tip your servers.

Sotnos 03-10-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 98260)
Oh, Blackhawk fan. When the ref puts his hand in the air, we pull the goalie for the extra man and you touch it and throw it in the net, that is not the time to start dancing, singing and then cursing at the lightning fans telling us that we are fucking losers. You just look like this is your first hockey game ever - even though is probably was.

You could hear them cheer on tv when it went in! How I laughed at that one, that's when you know they're bandwagoners.

WaiverWire 03-10-2011 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 98260)
Pissed me off. This isn't the Chicago Stadium. They are supposed to be guests in our house, not act like it is theirs. I would have booed, but it didn't seem appropriate during the singing of the anthem. I felt sorry for the young lady.

Oh, Blackhawk fan. When the ref puts his hand in the air, we pull the goalie for the extra man and you touch it and throw it in the net, that is not the time to start dancing, singing and then cursing at the lightning fans telling us that we are fucking losers. You just look like this is your first hockey game ever - even though is probably was.

If I own a store that sells team jerseys, I'm expecting a whole bunch of foks trying to return "slightly worn" Chicago jerseys this next week and trying to pawn them off as new. Either they are big Minnie Pearl fans or they intend to return them. I can't think of any other reason to leave the sales tags on the jersey.

And this is from someone who became a hockey fan watching Bobby Hull every Saturday night.

The only thing that would have made the evening better would have been to play their victory song over the pa as we left the forum.

Thanks Donnie, you helped make my point.

If our own fan base refuses to buy tickets for these games then how can you blame the Chicago fans that will be more than happy to flock here in droves and purchase the seats. If the seveal million butts in this area would just come to these games the ticket pool for the out of town guest would be much smaller.

Once again I salute Raymond James for packing their suite with Chicago fans. I guess they do not have any clients that would want to see their local team play.:ohmy:

njbolt12 03-10-2011 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98270)
You could hear them cheer on tv when it went in! How I laughed at that one, that's when you know they're bandwagoners.

I was incredulous. I was one section away from them watching it.

njbolt12 03-10-2011 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98272)
Thanks Donnie, you helped make my point.

If our own fan base refuses to buy tickets for these games then how can you blame the Chicago fans that will be more than happy to flock here in droves and purchase the seats. If the seveal million butts in this area would just come to these games the ticket pool for the out of town guest would be much smaller.

Once again I salute Raymond James for packing their suite with Chicago fans. I guess they do not have any clients that would want to see their local team play.:ohmy:

Economics says hi.

It's frustrating but attendance has been better this year, no? Having a winning team helps but people can't attend games when they don't have the disposable income to do so, no matter how cheap they are.

Donnie D 03-10-2011 10:02 AM

And another thing Blackhawk bandwagon fan. When you were in the sport store buying your new jersey and saw that game worn jerseys were selling for $200 more - those were player jerseys that had been covered with sweat. Not the one that your fat Uncle Ralph Was wearing when he watched the game from 312 and spilled nacho cheese on his belly when he dropped the chip.

Sotnos 03-10-2011 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98272)
Thanks Donnie, you helped make my point.

If our own fan base refuses to buy tickets for these games then how can you blame the Chicago fans that will be more than happy to flock here in droves and purchase the seats. If the seveal million butts in this area would just come to these games the ticket pool for the out of town guest would be much smaller.

Once again I salute Raymond James for packing their suite with Chicago fans. I guess they do not have any clients that would want to see their local team play.:ohmy:

Not to start all this crap again, but I don't know why you expect the fan/ticket buying situation - which has taken 5-6 years to deteriorate - to turn around within the span of 6 months. As Donnie pointed out in the other thread, we didn't see this stuff when the STH base was boosted by the Cup, those fans were allowed to trickle away until the last ownership drove the rest off.

You need "" around Chicago fans there, as in, Chicago "fans". :p

chad 03-10-2011 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 98260)
Pissed me off. This isn't the Chicago Stadium. They are supposed to be guests in our house, not act like it is theirs. I would have booed, but it didn't seem appropriate during the singing of the anthem. I felt sorry for the young lady.

Oh, Blackhawk fan. When the ref puts his hand in the air, we pull the goalie for the extra man and you touch it and throw it in the net, that is not the time to start dancing, singing and then cursing at the lightning fans telling us that we are fucking losers. You just look like this is your first hockey game ever - even though is probably was.

If I own a store that sells team jerseys, I'm expecting a whole bunch of foks trying to return "slightly worn" Chicago jerseys this next week and trying to pawn them off as new. Either they are big Minnie Pearl fans or they intend to return them. I can't think of any other reason to leave the sales tags on the jersey.

And this is from someone who became a hockey fan watching Bobby Hull every Saturday night.

The only thing that would have made the evening better would have been to play their victory song over the pa as we left the forum.

So many good things in this post, from a Minnie Pearl reference to pointing out the morons cheering for the open-net "goal." That was hilarious. Seriously, people. Like DD said, was this your first game!?

Top Shelf 03-10-2011 10:11 AM

Getting pretty harsh IMO...the familiar refrain "It's the obamaconomy, stupid" (though not a personal insult intended for WW) has to come in here somewhere. Lots and lots--I'm talking in the thousands--of true blue Lighrtning fans now simply cannot carve out the high cost of tickets, never mind parking, a little food and beverage thrown in...don't know if you've checked gas prices lately, but if they live at a distance the gouging is a factor. And heaven forbid they have a family, add in the cost of a babysitter, it's more than people can afford right now--even if they are fortunate enough to still have some kind of job. I tip my cap to those who can swing season tickets...geez, more power to ya...you're definitely doing something right. But you're not better fans than those who can't. If we were like our glorious "leaders", we'd all just spend the money freely on a credit card like Beverly Hills rich kids out of their minds on blow with absolutely not one millisecond of thought about paying the bill. But some of us still have personal accountability. I'm thankful every day for TV, it's all we can afford (barely). If people w/allegiance to other clubs are the ones with the disposable income to attend games, then that's who we're going to see until this mess gets turned around

chad 03-10-2011 10:11 AM

Three cheers for the even-out statement. I'm still not sure on Marty's goal. That's as close as it gets.

Re: Ohlund. Oh my. They HAVE to limit his minutes. It was his unforced turnover that led to the Washington tying goal, and he was brutal tonight as the game went on. I'm not sure how they limit his play with Jones out, but they have to. He's had a terrible week.

Re: Brewer. Great observation by the BH's PBP crew tonight (and I was pleased with them throughout) that the Lightning defense is experienced. Another Red Wings trend. Young dmen are brought along very, very slowly. I will be very surprised if Brewer isn't re-signed before July 1 to a 3 year deal. Maybe a 4. Brewers just had a kid, if I recall, so they'll be anxious to stay put somewhere for the next few years.

Roloson was beyond solid tonight. The crowd that was bugging EE, saying that he was outplayed by the Caps No.3 goaltender can be quiet now, though they won't.

the_narrow_way 03-10-2011 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 98145)
Reminds me of a Calgary home game with the sea of red. So far it isn't as bad as the Montreal game.

The only thing that really bothers me about the typical visiting team tour group fan is how disrepectful they are. I don't understand why anyone thinks it's appropriate to act like jerks in some other team's barn. Stand up and clap for your team, but don't start trouble with the home fans.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avery86 (Post 98161)
Is this a Chicago feed or a VS. feed? :rolleyes:

Chicago. Overall I think the CHI guys did a decent job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyMite26 (Post 98178)
:sulk: Can we put some of our sweaters behind our team's bench?

It is odd to see that area almost always full of visiting team merchandise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 98195)
Yeah, shouldn't have been a penalty. But I've seen several penalties against us where we cleared it off the glass and into the stands, we never whined that much.

There were a lot of plays that weren't penalized that I thought should have been, but I'd rather both teams be allowed to play without a parade back and forth from the penalty box.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoek (Post 98201)
Whee now we're gonna have a bunch of people questioning Marty's goal and calling it classless.

Marty tries that move all the time. Nice to see him bury one for a change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scobo_24 (Post 98204)
absolutely awesome shootout goal...it did look like it stopped though.

The puck did move backwards a couple inches during St.Louis' move. I wouldn't say it stopped though. I thought the rule was that the puck had to continue moving forward. :noidea:

the_narrow_way 03-10-2011 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top Shelf (Post 98285)
Lots and lots--I'm talking in the thousands--of true blue Lighrtning fans now simply cannot carve out the high cost of tickets, never mind parking, a little food and beverage thrown in...don't know if you've checked gas prices lately, but if they live at a distance the gouging is a factor. And heaven forbid they have a family, add in the cost of a babysitter, it's more than people can afford right now--even if they are fortunate enough to still have some kind of job. I tip my cap to those who can swing season tickets...geez, more power to ya...you're definitely doing something right. But you're not better fans than those who can't.

Good post. :beer:

Sotnos 03-10-2011 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_narrow_way (Post 98287)
The puck did move backwards a couple inches during St.Louis' move. I wouldn't say it stopped though. I thought the rule was that the puck had to continue moving forward. :noidea:

The puck has to be in motion on a spinorama, it doesn't specify a direction. He stopped before he shot imo, not sure if that's allowed or not but it may not be reviewable. :noidea:

Again, can't bring myself to care. People who get all uppity with those who complain about the refs like to say it all evens out, so this is it evening out.

Top Shelf 03-10-2011 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_narrow_way (Post 98287)
The puck did move backwards a couple inches during St.Louis' move. I wouldn't say it stopped though. I thought the rule was that the puck had to continue moving forward. :noidea:

From Rule 24.2:
Quote:

The spin-o-rama type move where the player completes a 360° turn as he approaches the goal, shall be permitted as this involves continuous motion.
It can't be 100% forward motion, so it doesn't say that. If you think about it, lots of stickhandling movements involve the puck momentarily stopping for an instant, going backward, then forward, left, right, etc. IMO it'd be counterproductive to dissect every penalty shot to such a degree that creativity is stifled

Sotnos 03-10-2011 10:29 AM

In the thread whining about St Louis on HF, someone posted this. Too good not to share. :D

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9186/sdffdaszcx.png

2min4cc 03-10-2011 10:30 AM

RE the Blackhawk crowd:

If it's any consolation, I overheard a Chicago "fan" talking about heading off to the next game in Washington. So, I'm guessing this was some sort of tour package set up some time ago - I think they hit the stinkin' Panthers game as well, I noticed a lot of Blackhawk red while watching that game. I'm guessing (hoping!) that if these tours had not already been booked and seats filled, we would have seen a lot more walk-up Lightning fans there last night.

The best part of the night (other than the win, of course), was all of the bandwagon fans cheering and then moaning at the "disallowed" goal on the delayed penalty. The Lightning fans in my section were laughing our butts off.

WaiverWire 03-10-2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98282)
Not to start all this crap again, but I don't know why you expect the fan/ticket buying situation - which has taken 5-6 years to deteriorate - to turn around within the span of 6 months. As Donnie pointed out in the other thread, we didn't see this stuff when the STH base was boosted by the Cup, those fans were allowed to trickle away until the last ownership drove the rest off.

You need "" around Chicago fans there, as in, Chicago "fans". :p

So what you are saying is that this team, with a new owner that has put his money where his mouth is, and GM making some very bold news, and a team that is having one of their best years ever, not to mention the NHL goal leader can not get 4000-5000 more fans from their own area into the seats? With the size of Tampa Bay that is pathetic.

I don't even want to talk about the economy as when things hit the fan several years ago I was blasted here when I said I was very concerned about the high cost of tickets and the poor economy.

Sotnos 03-10-2011 10:38 AM

From EE's twitter:

Per a source, Pavel Kubina is scheduled to have a phone conversation Thurs with the league regarding elbow incident to Dave Bolland tonight

uh oh (sorta)

Hoek 03-10-2011 10:46 AM

Forgot to mention they showed a proud turncoat Hawks/Bolts fan with a sign advertising her split allegiance. :rolleyes:

Hoek 03-10-2011 10:49 AM

I'm not going to use the economy as an excuse but I will say that casual fans here are enormously slow on the uptake, especially on the hockey team. While the ownership has been making a big splash to us, I'm sure it hasn't registered yet with the folks you need to fill that last 4000-5000. Expect the playoffs to wake everyone up. Everyone will be like WTF? The Lightning are in the playoffs? And it'll pick up from there. Provided we don't get swept in the first round anyway. I remember people being aggravated at attendance in 2003 and a little in 2004, then things exploded.

the_narrow_way 03-10-2011 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2min4cc (Post 98292)
If it's any consolation, I overheard a Chicago "fan" talking about heading off to the next game in Washington. So, I'm guessing this was some sort of tour package set up some time ago - I think they hit the stinkin' Panthers game as well, I noticed a lot of Blackhawk red while watching that game.

It was confirmed by the announcers that there was a tour group, as they mentioned the group(s) being at the Panthers game the night before.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98295)
Per a source, Pavel Kubina is scheduled to have a phone conversation Thurs with the league regarding elbow incident to Dave Bolland tonight

When it happened, I thought that I'd not be surprised if Kubina gets a suspension. Of course, Chara got nothing for a much more serious injury.

BurnTHalO 03-10-2011 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_narrow_way (Post 98299)
It was confirmed by the announcers that there was a tour group, as they mentioned the group(s) being at the Panthers game the night before.


When it happened, I thought that I'd not be surprised if Kubina gets a suspension. Of course, Chara got nothing for a much more serious injury.

I didn't even see it on the TV, but it sounded from the announcers like it was pretty blatant. Whatever. Go South Park again league and cut the head off the chicken and see where it lands. Honestly I think it helps us if he gets suspended.

Donnie D 03-10-2011 11:09 AM

The busses were lined up in front of the forum again last night so I have to believe that were tour groups again. Maybe the price included a new jersey? That could explain a lot of the newness.

I'm going to give up after this time, but what happens is that when single game tickets went on sale they were quickly purcased by Chicago fans last fall. Lightning fans who are buying single game tickets aren't going to be buying a March game in October. Now when they would have purchased them they aren't available. You can make the argument that Monday's game showed a lack of support. But Detroit, Chicago and Montreal? We don't know because the single game tickets just weren't available when lightning fans might have bought them.

Regarding the fans behind the bench, we need the move up promotion that the do every game to be that location.

Alex 03-10-2011 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 98301)
Regarding the fans behind the bench, we need the move up promotion that the do every game to be that location.

Nice, easy solution. I like it :thumb:

the_narrow_way 03-10-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurnTHalO (Post 98300)
I didn't even see it on the TV, but it sounded from the announcers like it was pretty blatant.

It was a little tough to see what happened exactly from any of the broadcast footage that I saw. It looked to me like Kubina was coming in hard to check him into the boards and he saw it coming but turned right into Kubina's elbow/forearm. Regardless, Kubie shouldn't have had his arm up that high.

On a different note, what's it going to take to slap someone with an interference call for bumping Roloson? There was an occasion last night where a CHI player skated right through the crease and made contact with Roli's leg. Roli did I think embelish it a little bit, but he was definitely tripped by the other player. The play was in the corner at the time, so there was no excuse for the CHI player to be in the crease.

chad 03-10-2011 12:19 PM

“When I saw the original play, you can still see his left foot moving forward,” Toews said. “It looked all right to me. But you want to argue it as much as you can in case there’s evidence to call it back. But it sucks. We had three great shooters in the shootout and we couldn’t get it done.”

Dman21 03-10-2011 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chad (Post 98304)
“When I saw the original play, you can still see his left foot moving forward,” Toews said. “It looked all right to me. But you want to argue it as much as you can in case there’s evidence to call it back. But it sucks. We had three great shooters in the shootout and we couldn’t get it done.”

Spoken like a true captain. He sees the reality of the situation and calls it correctly. I would think Vinny would be the same way.

Puckhead 03-10-2011 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chad (Post 98304)
“When I saw the original play, you can still see his left foot moving forward,” Toews said. “It looked all right to me. But you want to argue it as much as you can in case there’s evidence to call it back. But it sucks. We had three great shooters in the shootout and we couldn’t get it done.”

Great quote. Spoken like a true captain, and yet a sportsman. There are ALOT of reasons to like the Blackhawks, and he's one of them. Just not when they are playing MY team (btw 32 years in Detroit) and NO I'm not a "troll". I'm not even going to look back and see who made that idiotic comment...:p

the_narrow_way 03-10-2011 01:59 PM

I just saw the Twitter post, saying Kubina got 3 games suspension. WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT CHARA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Flycoon 03-10-2011 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timothy (Post 98256)
2nd to last in the league in goal differential in the 3rd period. Yes. 29th.

Was this primarily pre-Roloson?

BurnTHalO 03-10-2011 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_narrow_way (Post 98312)
I just saw the Twitter post, saying Kubina got 3 games suspension. WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT CHARA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Kubina actually contacted the head, Chara pushed a head into glass at 15+ mph. What I have learned is that we should never see a boarding suspension again if all they are basing on is head contact.

astro 03-10-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_narrow_way (Post 98312)
I just saw the Twitter post, saying Kubina got 3 games suspension. WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT CHARA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

My only guess is that Kubina actually delivered the blow to the head. I'm watching the replay on NHL Network and he was leading with his elbow.

What wasn't announced is that the glass partition was suspended for 10 games for injuring Pacioretty.

The Great Zo 03-10-2011 02:30 PM

Hello, mixed messages.

No problem with the Kubina suspension (don't lead with your elbow, dumbass) but goodness, I don't think the league even knows the meaning of the word "consistency" at all.

Maybe it's time for a call-up?

WaiverWire 03-10-2011 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_narrow_way (Post 98312)
I just saw the Twitter post, saying Kubina got 3 games suspension. WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT CHARA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Chara under a criminal investigation opened up by the police.

Also Air Canada has told Butmman they we drop the NHL as a sponsor because of the non action. Buttman said go ahead you can be replaced.

gatsby 03-10-2011 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Zo (Post 98263)
I'm getting sick of the third-period collapses. The Lightning (a team challenging for a division title) are 29th in the whole league in goal differential in the 3rd. That's astounding. It may well be a result of the gas running out of the tank -- which leads to things like Ohlund fading from hit-machine to turnover-machine as the game goes on.

What, in this type of system, could possibly be done to keep the team fresher for the third? Might the ability to roll four full lines help?

It's incredibly frustrating. We should have wins against NJ, Bos, Wash and be talking about challenging for 1st in the conference. That stat doesn't bode well for the playoffs and I hope they can figure it out by then.

Re: the Kubina suspension - has he been suspended before? 3 games seems a bit much, but if Bolland stays out with a concussion maybe that's what the league was thinking about? I just don't even know anymore.

Scobo_24 03-10-2011 02:45 PM

charas hit was fine. he was finishing off a check although maybe a tad late but he got the interference for it. kubina led with his elbow and deserves the suspension in my opinion. he missed the check and stuck out his elbow because of it.

imo it only can help our team. kubina looked like his first year skating last night so mabye a 3 game suspension will let him refocus a bit

BurnTHalO 03-10-2011 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scobo_24 (Post 98323)
charas hit was fine. he was finishing off a check although maybe a tad late but he got the interference for it. kubina led with his elbow and deserves the suspension in my opinion. he missed the check and stuck out his elbow because of it.

imo it only can help our team. kubina looked like his first year skating last night so mabye a 3 game suspension will let him refocus a bit

Chara was not fine, but different thread all together.

How about this. Kubina's screw up was using his elbow and not his stick like Lucic did to Moore. Crosscheck him in the face Kubina, that is fine by league standards.

Honestly, Kubina launched his elbow up and should be suspended. Now, 3 games for a first time offender when you word for word said Chara got off because it was a quick play and Chara has never recieved supplemental discipline? I question that logic, but what irks me more is that we get crosschecked in the face (By Boston) with nothing.

astro 03-10-2011 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scobo_24 (Post 98323)
charas hit was fine. he was finishing off a check although maybe a tad late but he got the interference for it. kubina led with his elbow and deserves the suspension in my opinion. he missed the check and stuck out his elbow because of it.

imo it only can help our team. kubina looked like his first year skating last night so mabye a 3 game suspension will let him refocus a bit

could mean more minutes for Ohlund :doh:

RSchmitz 03-10-2011 03:06 PM

Seriously? 3 game suspension on Kubina for an elbowing penalty that is actually pretty damn common. Whatever, its not like we are hurting to field a lineup of NHL defensemen :duh:

njbolt12 03-10-2011 03:16 PM

This is just ridiculous. I don't even know what to say anymore.

Avery86 03-10-2011 04:55 PM

Here's a total whinefest about St. Louis' shootout goal, from Puck Daddy no less:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...a?urn=nhl-wp24

Just read some of the comments. Have a laugh.

RSchmitz 03-10-2011 05:12 PM

shocked

gatsby 03-10-2011 05:16 PM

I get the complaints, but I think some of it is misguided towards MSL and should be aimed at the NHL for the SO instead. And I think those bringing up the Omark thing don't even remember the actual quotes.

Top Shelf 03-11-2011 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbolt12 (Post 98330)
This is just ridiculous. I don't even know what to say anymore.

Just don't dare say the Tampa Bay Lightning gets consistently, almost ritualistically, discriminated against by NHL officiating. There is no discrimination anywhere, there never has been any, so don't say there is. Simply deny the information from your senses, and mindlessly chant the mantra like a zombie..."The officiating is fair league-wide...it all evens out eventually...only losers whine about the officiating...it's all on the players' shoulders, not the officials'...to criticize the officials or their findings is to be a crybaby..."

In reality, both players should've gotten 2 or 3 games--Kubina for the act of elbowing the head, Chara for exessive use of violence. Granted, the referee is specifically DENIED the use of modern technology by the paleolithic NHL and forced to make a split-second decision about one man breaking another man's neck on one single high-speed viewing; but in this case IMO the penalty should have been for boarding instead of interference, since (a) Pacioretty was the puck carrier, and (b) the turnbuckle or glass stanchion is anchored to and forms an extension of the boards.

Rule 41 - Boarding
41.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.

There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. [emphasis mine]

Key words:
checks - can be an ordinary-looking check, like Chara's
violently/violence - no way to deny Chara's hit meets that description, just ask his victim with the broken neck
onus - was on CHARA, who has enough NHL years under his belt to know precisely (not approximately) where that glass support is, yet did not avoid the contact. Is Pacioretty really supposed to expect decapitation as comeuppance for carrying the puck? Onus on Chara.

If Kuby gets 3 games, Chara gets 3. At least.

Things That Make You Go Hmmmm: If this stuff is this easy for a layman like me to break down and lay out, how is the NHL director of officiating unable (or unwilling) to do it? :noidea:

Avery86 03-11-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top Shelf (Post 98407)
Things That Make You Go Hmmmm: If this stuff is this easy for a layman like me to break down and lay out, how is the NHL director of officiating unable (or unwilling) to do it? :noidea:

Because his direct boss's son plays for the Bruins?

BurnTHalO 03-11-2011 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Top Shelf (Post 98407)
Just don't dare say the Tampa Bay Lightning gets consistently, almost ritualistically, discriminated against by NHL officiating. There is no discrimination anywhere, there never has been any, so don't say there is. Simply deny the information from your senses, and mindlessly chant the mantra like a zombie..."The officiating is fair league-wide...it all evens out eventually...only losers whine about the officiating...it's all on the players' shoulders, not the officials'...to criticize the officials or their findings is to be a crybaby..."

In reality, both players should've gotten 2 or 3 games--Kubina for the act of elbowing the head, Chara for exessive use of violence. Granted, the referee is specifically DENIED the use of modern technology by the paleolithic NHL and forced to make a split-second decision about one man breaking another man's neck on one single high-speed viewing; but in this case IMO the penalty should have been for boarding instead of interference, since (a) Pacioretty was the puck carrier, and (b) the turnbuckle or glass stanchion is anchored to and forms an extension of the boards.

Rule 41 - Boarding
41.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.

There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. [emphasis mine]

Key words:
checks - can be an ordinary-looking check, like Chara's
violently/violence - no way to deny Chara's hit meets that description, just ask his victim with the broken neck
onus - was on CHARA, who has enough NHL years under his belt to know precisely (not approximately) where that glass support is, yet did not avoid the contact. Is Pacioretty really supposed to expect decapitation as comeuppance for carrying the puck? Onus on Chara.

If Kuby gets 3 games, Chara gets 3. At least.

Things That Make You Go Hmmmm: If this stuff is this easy for a layman like me to break down and lay out, how is the NHL director of officiating unable (or unwilling) to do it? :noidea:

To be fair, Pacioretty was not carrying the puck. He had dumped the puck a second and a half before Chara launched him (though Chara was skating beside him the whole way).

Sotnos 03-11-2011 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98294)
So what you are saying is that this team, with a new owner that has put his money where his mouth is, and GM making some very bold news, and a team that is having one of their best years ever, not to mention the NHL goal leader can not get 4000-5000 more fans from their own area into the seats? With the size of Tampa Bay that is pathetic.

Feel like I'm repeating myself (because I am) but ticket sales lag behind success. Do you not remember the "car wash" complaints from Feaster & subsequent promotion? We weren't selling out in the spring of 2004 after a division title the previous year and a team on a super hot streak, but we're going to sell out now?!

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Originally Posted by astro (Post 98318)
My only guess is that Kubina actually delivered the blow to the head. I'm watching the replay on NHL Network and he was leading with his elbow.

What wasn't announced is that the glass partition was suspended for 10 games for injuring Pacioretty.

:D

WaiverWire 03-11-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98424)
Feel like I'm repeating myself (because I am) but ticket sales lag behind success. Do you not remember the "car wash" complaints from Feaster & subsequent promotion? We weren't selling out in the spring of 2004 after a division title the previous year and a team on a super hot streak, but we're going to sell out now?!


:D

Which translates to the game is over priced for the smaller markets.

Top Shelf 03-12-2011 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98429)
Which translates to the game is over priced for the smaller markets.

Hopefully coming around to that simple reality will result in less blaming and shaming for those of us who find legitimate financial concerns make it so we just can't swing the cost of attending the games. We're all counting on you STHs to cheer extra loud for us WW--it ain't like we don't want to be there in person

njbolt12 03-12-2011 09:53 AM

Hello recession.

I guess the game is overpriced for the NJ / NY metro area as well (which has some of the highest wages in the country), because you see PLENTY of empty seats at Devils games.

WaiverWire 03-12-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top Shelf (Post 98519)
Hopefully coming around to that simple reality will result in less blaming and shaming for those of us who find legitimate financial concerns make it so we just can't swing the cost of attending the games. We're all counting on you STHs to cheer extra loud for us WW--it ain't like we don't want to be there in person

And I do. It the ones that never come but stay home and watch the games that tick me off. That is why i would ban most, if not all home games on TV. I wonder how many would show up then?

ThePowerOfGlove 03-12-2011 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98548)
And I do. It the ones that never come but stay home and watch the games that tick me off. That is why i would ban most, if not all home games on TV. I wonder how many would show up then?

I see what you're saying here, and this would have worked thirty years ago but now you just have too much access to other ways to follow the teams or to follow OTHER sports or things to do.

A personal example...

I used to go to both races in Daytona, the 500 and the Firecracker 400 because it was an experience. One year it just didn't seem worth it considering the television broadcast was better than my seats ever were. I now only go to a single race a year....

Another example, I haven't lived in Tampa since 2000, but I can remember the Buc's games never being televised in Tampa for almost the entire 90's. Well, instead of buying a ticket to the game, my family and I would just travel about 50 miles north of where we lived in North Tampa and watch the game at a small sports pub.

If Lightning hockey wasn't televised in Tampa, or where I am in Jacksonville, it'd kill the team, as the old out of sight out mind comes into play. Like I said before, thirty years ago, this would work but now people will just find something else to do.....

Avery86 03-12-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMite26 (Post 98554)
If Lightning hockey wasn't televised in Tampa, or where I am in Jacksonville, it'd kill the team, as the old out of sight out mind comes into play. Like I said before, thirty years ago, this would work but now people will just find something else to do.....

Yup. If they cut off home feeds, I can't tell you how quickly (and easy) it'd be for me to become a Blues fan. Every game in HD? Some of my friends are Blues fans already? No brainer.

Again, I will point to Chicago. The 'no televised home games' BS didn't work. At all. You're not going to get new fans by making them pay X amount of dollars to see a game live when they're not even sure they'd like it.

Sotnos 03-12-2011 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98548)
And I do. It the ones that never come but stay home and watch the games that tick me off. That is why i would ban most, if not all home games on TV. I wonder how many would show up then?

How can anyone say this knowing how badly it failed in Chicago?

WaiverWire 03-12-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sotnos (Post 98559)
How can anyone say this knowing how badly it failed in Chicago?

Are you comparing us to an owner that was hated, refused to spend money and all were happy when he died?

Yeah, I can see a few good points here so let me rephrase this. I would black out areas around the Tampa Bay area if I had the ability to lift that black out for certain games. Would lift once ticket sold reached 18,000.

ThePowerOfGlove 03-12-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98561)
Are you comparing us to an owner that was hated, refused to spend money and all were happy when he died?

Yeah, I can see a few good points here so let me rephrase this. I would black out areas around the Tampa Bay area if I had the ability to lift that black out for certain games. Would lift once ticket sold reached 18,000.

Hey, the Bucs had Hugh Culverhouse...He didn't give a damn that the stadium wasn't selling out and that the locals could never watch a game, the reason was, he was making money regardless.

Sotnos 03-12-2011 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98561)
Are you comparing us to an owner that was hated, refused to spend money and all were happy when he died?

Um, no, just pointing out that it obviously had the opposite effect of what he wanted. It was stuff like that that made him hated.

Quote:

Yeah, I can see a few good points here so let me rephrase this. I would black out areas around the Tampa Bay area if I had the ability to lift that black out for certain games. Would lift once ticket sold reached 18,000.
Alright, let's try another angle, why should SunSports agree to losing all this programming & advertising?
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Originally Posted by MightyMite26 (Post 98570)
Hey, the Bucs had Hugh Culverhouse...He didn't give a damn that the stadium wasn't selling out and that the locals could never watch a game, the reason was, he was making money regardless.

Can't say I can confirm this, but reportedly that was the case with old Mr. Wirtz also. Now his kid is probably making tons more by giving a damn & having full tv coverage & full houses.

Top Shelf 03-13-2011 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98548)
It the ones that never come but stay home and watch the games that tick me off. That is why i would ban most, if not all home games on TV. I wonder how many would show up then?

Guess you weren't buying into the whole 'rotten economy making it hard to pay bills let alone attend hockey games' theme after all. The ones who tick you off are the ones like me who bleed black & blue but can't and won't just spend like a drunken congressman on anything optional for the foreseeable future.

Enjoy every game live you can, because lots of folks simply can't

the_narrow_way 03-13-2011 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98548)
And I do. It the ones that never come but stay home and watch the games that tick me off. That is why i would ban most, if not all home games on TV. I wonder how many would show up then?

I'd be able to make exactly '0' more games in person. Also, I'd have to be in front of the radio/computer while the game was live, since I couldn't TiVo the game. As much of a TB follower as I am, my connection to Lightning-land would erode quickly. It really is just the money for a lot of fans. End of story.

WaiverWire 03-13-2011 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top Shelf (Post 98679)
Guess you weren't buying into the whole 'rotten economy making it hard to pay bills let alone attend hockey games' theme after all. The ones who tick you off are the ones like me who bleed black & blue but can't and won't just spend like a drunken congressman on anything optional for the foreseeable future.

Enjoy every game live you can, because lots of folks simply can't

One of my main points.......the NHL and players have out priced our market. Look how many teams have sold in the past few years. Friday even the Leafs put a majority of their ownership up for sale. You have teams like Atlanta, Phoenix and Florida that are bleeding red. I am sure there are others we do not know about.

I brought up how this economy would hurt this game and many here told me I was nuts. Well guess what, we are seeing it happen. We bitch and complain about those making the money they make and nothing has been said about today's athletes.

The amount of money owners hand out is ridiculous. Owners should be cutting back on payroll. They should be using that payroll reduction to bankroll their venues, not the tax payers.

Avery86 03-13-2011 03:01 PM

Then your argument is with ownership and how the NHL is run, and not with people who can't afford to go to the games. Calling people out and basically saying they're bad fans is just a bit on the abrasive side when your gripe is with the price to attend the games.

WaiverWire 03-13-2011 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avery86 (Post 98689)
Then your argument is with ownership and how the NHL is run, and not with people who can't afford to go to the games. Calling people out and basically saying they're bad fans is just a bit on the abrasive side when your gripe is with the price to attend the games.

Did i call out someone here?

If we can not fill an arena with at least 17,500-18,000 the population we have in this area makes one wonder if 1, there is a lack of fan support and/or 2, are the prices too much for someone to pay.

Coldrice 03-13-2011 04:50 PM

WW... not jumping on you or anything but the fact that our attendance, core attendance and leaving out the out-of-towners, is up from the Cowboys era is pretty damn good news to me. As it stands now, we have the second lowest ticket prices in the League right now. (Edit) It's not because we're priced out... many of us just can't afford it like we used to be able to. Be careful, my friend, as this whole thing is flirting with that thin line of have and have-nots IMO, as evident with Avery's post. I get what you're saying, just it may be received otherwise bysome others.

Despite that, I'm absolutely convinced that it's hard for that gap between 15-17k to close right now because either A) like I said before, some probably blew their wads on the Bucs home games and money just isn't there right now or scrimping a wee bit for the Rays home opener or B) which actually can be an extension of A, you may be seeing people sitting on their per game allowance in anticipation for the playoffs.

Truth be told, we've proven time and again that this market and it's attendance is a non-factor from a "can we be a viable market attendance wise" standpoint (you seeing this, Elitist Snobs!). The issue is, this is the first time I can recall in this franchise's history that we're mired in a really shitty local economy right now. And it sucks. And I also share some of the same views as you... I do. I think where we differ is on who is the bearer of the brunt of our frustration.

In other words, what's more important to me at the moment. Go to say, 3 or 4 remaining home games or sit on that money and get me some playoff tix. Personally, that's what I'm doing. The prices aren't too much to pay, IMO except in the Elite markets... say Toronto, MSG, Bell Centre, Vancouver, etc. When the base ticket, not the average, hits $50+, then I'll start to gripe a little more.

Moving, or posting, my other responses to the the thread I created.

WaiverWire 03-13-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

I'm absolutely convinced that it's hard for that gap between 15-17k to close right now because either A) like I said before, some probably blew their wads on the Bucs home games and money just isn't there right now or scrimping a wee bit for the Rays home opener or B) which actually can be an extension of A, you may be seeing people sitting on their per game allowance in anticipation for the playoffs.

And would this gap narrow if some of these games were not on TV?

I will be honest here as I have thought why spend the money now that the games are in HD.

Coldrice 03-13-2011 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98694)
And would this gap narrow if some of these games were not on TV?

I will be honest here as I have thought why spend the money now that the games are in HD.

Perhaps... but are you willing to alienate and piss on a fan base as a whole to eek out another 2-3,000 people in the stands? With this fickle-ass fanbase here, with Band-wagoners, I'd say the damage would be worse by having blackouts.

Poll average Buc Fan with either mid-tier or lower season ticket package or those walk ups without ST's and I'd be shocked if less than half said they weren't renewing or were pissed off because of the stunt they pulled. And yes I mean "They", as in the Glazers...

And for the record, I don't buy any of that League-induced Blackout crap. By that I mean, yes while that may be true in it's mandate to blackout games that are not a sell out, I certainly didn't see the Glazer's stepping up and "curing" the remaining tickets outstanding to lift the blackout on some of the games. Not all, but those that were close to getting it lifted.

"Glory, Glory Man United..." indeed.

Flycoon 03-13-2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98694)
And would this gap narrow if some of these games were not on TV?

I will be honest here as I have thought why spend the money now that the games are in HD.

If they were to televise fewer games, I would NOT renew. I like the option of being able to skip select games.

Sotnos 03-14-2011 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrice (Post 98710)
Perhaps... but are you willing to alienate and piss on a fan base as a whole to eek out another 2-3,000 people in the stands? With this fickle-ass fanbase here, with Band-wagoners, I'd say the damage would be worse by having blackouts.

THANK YOU. It's petty, and fans would see it as such.

Top Shelf 03-14-2011 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98684)
I brought up how this economy would hurt this game and many here told me I was nuts.

Really. "Many here" said you were nuts for saying this economy would hurt this game. I don't remember that, and it also makes little or no sense...the economy (as in "It's the economy, stupid") has hurt everyone and everything it has touched except gold and silver sales. So this angry throng calling you nuts, their point was the bum economy will hurt everything else--job creation, car sales, gas prices, everything--but hockey? In other words, people wondering how they're going to make ends meet will still go to games just like before? Could you give an example of the many (or just three? or any?) people trying to make that point?

Didn't think so. if you now, in backpedal mode, admit it's actually the economy hurting this game (including people's ability to attend games), why blame the people who can't afford to go, the ones who "tick you off"? Who do you suppose ticks them off? Maybe season-ticket holders who aren't happy that they get to see every single home game live without going out of their way to gripe and kvetch about those who can't, and who even take it a step further by actually desiring to deprive them of the enjoyment of watching on TV?

Look in the mirror...hold up your season tickets...and just smile big, WW. Yer livin' the dream :cloud9:

WaiverWire 03-14-2011 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top Shelf (Post 98721)
Really. "Many here" said you were nuts for saying this economy would hurt this game. I don't remember that, and it also makes little or no sense...the economy (as in "It's the economy, stupid") has hurt everyone and everything it has touched except gold and silver sales. So this angry throng calling you nuts, their point was the bum economy will hurt everything else--job creation, car sales, gas prices, everything--but hockey? In other words, people wondering how they're going to make ends meet will still go to games just like before? Could you give an example of the many (or just three? or any?) people trying to make that point?

Didn't think so. if you now, in backpedal mode, admit it's actually the economy hurting this game (including people's ability to attend games), why blame the people who can't afford to go, the ones who "tick you off"? Who do you suppose ticks them off? Maybe season-ticket holders who aren't happy that they get to see every single home game live without going out of their way to gripe and kvetch about those who can't, and who even take it a step further by actually desiring to deprive them of the enjoyment of watching on TV?

Look in the mirror...hold up your season tickets...and just smile big, WW. Yer livin' the dream :cloud9:

Back in June 2008 I said the economy would hurt the economics of the game and thus the cap would be reduced. The cap has gone up ever year since then because revenues over all have gone up. Most likely due to ticket price increases. You can go to Center Ice and see rows of empty seats in many of the smaller market home games. If not all games were shown on TV maybe someone would rethink spending their dollars in one area so they could buy that extra game ticket.

In years past most teams did not show their games at home. Phil elected to show the games as a way to introduce the area to hockey. He even said once that happened he would cut back on the number of games shown.

Now we have HD which provides a much better picture and makes the game very easy to watch on TV. I know about 10-15 people that no longer go as they say they can now what the game with a decent picture. I know some would go to games other that the big name teams that come into town if the number of games were cut back.

Avery86 03-14-2011 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 98724)
In years past most teams did not show their games at home. Phil elected to show the games as a way to introduce the area to hockey. He even said once that happened he would cut back on the number of games shown.

If time stood still and we never moved forward into the future, sure. But the cost of broadcasting a game is cheaper than ever. Hell, you could watch a game from your PHONE now. Technology changes every day. I have no idea how selectively not broadcasting some games would get anyone to go to the games when they could turn to virtually any other sport or team and get all the content they could possibly want.

Hoek 03-14-2011 01:40 PM

Forgoing TV games also means the team getting less revenue from Sun. Better hope the attendance goes up to make up for the lost money, because if it doesn't then you're double screwed.

ChaseSpace 03-14-2011 02:00 PM

Wasn't Sun going to stream all games(that are available in your area, like I don't get Heat or Panther games) online for free? Or did that fall apart?

Sotnos 03-14-2011 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avery86 (Post 98731)
If time stood still and we never moved forward into the future, sure. But the cost of broadcasting a game is cheaper than ever. Hell, you could watch a game from your PHONE now. Technology changes every day. I have no idea how selectively not broadcasting some games would get anyone to go to the games when they could turn to virtually any other sport or team and get all the content they could possibly want.

:clap:

Now it's more the norm for NHL teams to show all games, only a few teams in non-traditional markets don't do this.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaseSpace (Post 98736)
Wasn't Sun going to stream all games(that are available in your area, like I don't get Heat or Panther games) online for free? Or did that fall apart?

I remember they were going to do an online stream during one preseason game, it fell apart and never heard anything again.

Donnie D 03-14-2011 04:09 PM

I'm a season ticket holder and consider myself fortunate - both that I make enough money to afford this luxury and that the prices are affordable. There may come a time when those stars won't align and I won't be able to afford not just season tickets but individual tickets. If the game isn't on tv that is not going to get me to buy a ticket that I can't afford. If it isn't on tv, I just may find a new interest and instead of buying a 10 pack, I just might find something else that interests me that I can afford.

Flycoon 03-14-2011 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avery86 (Post 98731)
If time stood still and we never moved forward into the future, sure. But the cost of broadcasting a game is cheaper than ever. Hell, you could watch a game from your PHONE now. Technology changes every day. I have no idea how selectively not broadcasting some games would get anyone to go to the games when they could turn to virtually any other sport or team and get all the content they could possibly want.

With all of the available bandwidth, it would be a shame NOT to broadcast.

Remember the old Springsteen lyric, "57 channels and nothing on"? More like 657 channels and nothing on these days.

Jester47 03-15-2011 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Flycoon (Post 98773)
Remember the old Springsteen lyric, "57 channels and nothing on"? More like 657 channels and nothing on these days.

Yeah, exactly how many times can I watch that ep of _________ (insert Law and Order, NCIS, anything on USA, or Bones). ;)


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