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RSchmitz 07-08-2014 07:50 PM

2015 Draft
 
I know its a long time away, but some early projections of the heralded 2015 draft. Obviously its deep, but the positions where it is the deepest is the most interesting, center and defense. Early predictions have 10 defensemen and an absurdly high 13 centers are projected to go in the top 30. 25 centers and 19 defensemen in the top 60. Time to restock our weak areas.

Some of my early favorites projected to go 10-30:
Zack Werenski D
Mikko Rantanen C
Dylon Strome C
Gabriel Carlsson D
Julius Nättinen C
Erik Cernak D
Ryan Pilon D
Graham Knott D

pete 07-08-2014 08:22 PM

Time to root for the Rangers to finish dead flipping last in the league.

RSchmitz 07-08-2014 09:23 PM

I don't think Canada could stomach us drafting McDavid. We would definitely lose the lottery and end up with Eichel

timothy 07-08-2014 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete (Post 171943)
Time to root for the Rangers to finish dead flipping last in the league.

The hockey gods owe us that for 2005 lockout and the $34m cap ceiling coming out said lockout.

the_narrow_way 07-08-2014 10:42 PM

... and for the MTL series. Hockey gods, how bought giving something back after that shit-storm we had to endure?

ChaseSpace 07-09-2014 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 171949)
I don't think Canada could stomach us drafting McDavid. We would definitely lose the lottery and end up with Eichel

I'd be thrilled with Eichel or Hanifin. I'd probably riot(in a good way) if we landed McDavid though.

aapbolt 07-09-2014 12:43 PM

Yes
 
Agreed...agreed...agree...oh Hockey Gods please grant our wishes, as a just return for the trials and tribulations that we have gone through lo these many years and borne these troubles with aplomb and faith in our club.

RSchmitz 07-10-2014 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaseSpace (Post 171971)
I'd be thrilled with Eichel or Hanifin. I'd probably riot(in a good way) if we landed McDavid though.

of course, Eichel is apparently in contention for #1 overall crazily enough. Its just, Stamkos and McDavid on the same team, we'd lose every video review for the next century.

astro 07-10-2014 06:10 PM

I'd be happy with Matthew Barzal or Ryan Gropp.

ChaseSpace 07-10-2014 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astro (Post 172053)
I'd be happy with Matthew Barzal

I wonder why? ;)

astro 07-11-2014 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaseSpace (Post 172060)
I wonder why? ;)

I could be a little biased there. :p

astro 09-13-2014 10:30 PM

From the Thunderbirds, I would like to add a name to the list besides Matthew Barzal, Ryan Gropp.

Ethan Bear - right handed defenseman, who put up 19 points in his rookie season. He's more of a stay at home defenseman according to him


Possibly another defenseman who may gain interest is Jared Hauf. His development has been slow but could be worth the investment. He was recently invited to the Jets prospect camp.

Coldrice 01-20-2015 12:36 PM

Joy! CSS Mid Terms are out

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=749385

Derek28 01-20-2015 03:49 PM

I'd love if the bolts drafted Jordan Greenway but I imagine someone might reach on him due to his size.

timothy 01-21-2015 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek28 (Post 178602)
I'd love if the bolts drafted Jordan Greenway but I imagine someone might reach on him due to his size.

I was also thinking about Greenway with the NYR pick.

Derek28 01-21-2015 02:04 PM

I was trying to figure out how many picks we have this year but I'm not sure if it's correct. Here's what I have figured:

We have two 1st round picks, our pick and the Rangers pick.
Zero 2nd round picks since ours goes to the Rangers.
We have two 3rd round picks, our pick and Edmonton's pick via the Anaheim Brewer trade.
We have two 4th round picks, our pick and Anaheim's pick from the Thompson trade
One 5th round pick which is our own.
Two 6th round picks, our pick and Arizona's pick from the Gangner and Crombeen trade.
Two 7th round picks, one from Anaheim from the Thompson trade and one from the Rangers from the Callahan trade and our 7th rounder goes to the Islanders due to a trade from last years draft.

So if that's correct then we have eleven picks.

aapbolt 01-21-2015 04:10 PM

Names
 
I have seen Thomas Chabot, D, and Paul Biitner mentioned as possible picks along with Greenway. Any comments on them?

pete 01-24-2015 10:46 PM

Of those three, Greenway's the one I'd want. If you want a power forward, though, it'd be great if Rantanen fell to the Lightning.

Derek28 01-26-2015 09:37 PM

I don't put a lot of stock into NHL.com mock drafts but here are their mid term picks.

Adam Kimelman has the bolts taking Evgeny Svechnikov a winger playing for Cape Breton in the QMJHL and Daniel Sprong a winger from Charlottetown in the QMJHL.

Mike Morreale has the bolts taking Greenway and Filip Chlapik a center from Charlottetown

RSchmitz 01-27-2015 05:20 AM

What about Nicolas Meloche with one of our 1sts? Looks like his ceiling is off the charts.

Coldrice 01-27-2015 09:22 AM

Here's my wish list

Rantanen
Greenway
Larsson
Jake DeBrusk (Not because he's Louie's kid either)
(Tie) Travis Konecny/Sprong

I'll tell you who we should stay away from... Brandon Carlo. For a kid his size and frame, he sure gets pushed off the puck with relative ease. That was reaffirmed in the Prospects game.

Like to get more eyes/details on:

Austin Strand, Ryan Gropp, Brent Gates, Julius Nattinen for the 3rd/4th rounds

pete 01-31-2015 11:03 PM

This year I just want the BPA. We got away from that last summer and although DeAngelo has his upside, it still pains me a bit we could've had Fabbri AND Barbashev.

bolts37205 02-27-2015 10:49 AM

gotta kiss the hope for a high Ranger pick goodbye
 
if they can cruise without Lundquist then they are the real deal. Sportsnet has them as likely to win the East as anyone just before the deadline. I keep rooting against them and the Habs and keep going down in flames:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/n...o-maple-leafs/

bolts37205 03-02-2015 07:16 PM

draft picks by team
 
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/12...aft-picks-team

We have picks in all rounds, but only rounds 4, 5 and 6 were ours from the beginning.

Derek28 03-26-2015 04:01 PM

I've been watching and reading about the upcoming draft and I think I figured out who I want to be the bolts first three picks this year, the ranges are my guesses:

1st round NYR pick (estimated in the 24-30 range): My choice: Winger Jordan Greenway. Alternate Choice: Center Nicolas Roy

2nd round BOS pick (estimated in the 44-50 range): My choice: Defenseman Noah Juulsen. Alternate Choice: Defenseman Matthew Spencer

3rd round EDM pick (estimated in the 61-65 range): My choice: Winger Conor Garland. Alternate Choice: Center Adam Musil

pete 04-04-2015 11:39 PM

We need a goaltender with one of those picks, IMO. There's nothing in the cupboard after Wilcox.

RSchmitz 04-05-2015 02:51 AM

We shouldn't need any high pedigree goalie picks with the trifecta of Vasi/KG/AW though.

RSchmitz 04-05-2015 02:53 AM

I hope Nicolas Meloche drops to our slot in the second round. Swing for the fences on a need position

Donnie D 04-05-2015 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 181498)
We shouldn't need any high pedigree goalie picks with the trifecta of Vasi/KG/AW though.

Yes you do - because 2 of our current 4 goalies will be gone within 2 -3 years. Either they aren't NHL quality goalies or, if they are, you have to trade them to give them that opportunity. They aren't going to be willing to play in Syracuse as they continue to develop and you need to continue that pipeline.

Derek28 04-05-2015 11:31 AM

I'm sure we'll draft a goalie, but I think it'd be in the 4th or 5th round unless a really good one falls down to our pick in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Hoek 04-05-2015 12:06 PM

Yeah we're not going to be pressured to reach for one.

RSchmitz 04-05-2015 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 181507)
Yes you do - because 2 of our current 4 goalies will be gone within 2 -3 years. Either they aren't NHL quality goalies or, if they are, you have to trade them to give them that opportunity. They aren't going to be willing to play in Syracuse as they continue to develop and you need to continue that pipeline.

So you think its a good idea to draft more goalies who might not be willing to play in Syracuse? Yzerman has had success with late round picks and that is probably the best route to go if you want to fill the pipeline with an asset you can develop in the AHL. At the very least, I don't see a reason to target a goalie early unless hes a steal.

ChaseSpace 04-05-2015 03:16 PM

Goalies are a crapshoot to scout. I have no doubts Yzerman and Murray will go BPA as their prerogative and if they think the BPA is a goalie then they will grab them(or trade down, depending on what they can get along with other circumstances).

Donnie D 04-05-2015 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 181512)
So you think its a good idea to draft more goalies who might not be willing to play in Syracuse? Yzerman has had success with late round picks and that is probably the best route to go if you want to fill the pipeline with an asset you can develop in the AHL. At the very least, I don't see a reason to target a goalie early unless hes a steal.

A drafted goalie will either play in juniors or in college and won't be in ready to play in Syracuse for at least 2 years. So to have someone ready in 2 years when they will be needed, you have to draft one this year.

I'm not saying use the number 1 on one, but you have to figure that he will be looking for a goalie in this year's draft.

Derek28 04-08-2015 11:33 AM

Final CSS Rankings:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=761663

Surprised how far down Greenway is. Maybe he won't be a first round pick after all.

Goboltz56 04-08-2015 03:41 PM

Greenway had an awful year statistically. I heard people saying earlier in the season that they were wondering if he was sick or injured because of the way he was playing, but it continued all season. I agree we need another player of his type in our system (big, physical power-forward with offensive upside) but using a first on him probably isn't likely.

WaiverWire 04-08-2015 04:13 PM

McDavid's team, the Erie Otters have filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy today.


http://www.goerie.com/erie-otters-file-for-bankruptcy

Coldrice 04-08-2015 04:53 PM

OK, question. Who, outside their natural fit, can be slotted over on to the right wing? Whether on the Big Club roster or in the pipeline.

astro 04-09-2015 12:01 PM

I would like to see Gropp (6'2" 187) or Kolesar (6'1" 217) drafted by TB, but I'm a bit biased. :D I like Ethan Bear on D. He's been developing quite well.

WaiverWire 04-18-2015 07:16 PM

Oilers win the draft

The Great Zo 04-18-2015 07:20 PM

Connor McBust.

Derek28 04-18-2015 07:25 PM

That sucks for McDavid. Going to a team that is full of potential but always ends up in the bottom five in the league.

Hoek 04-18-2015 07:25 PM

Unfreakingbelievable.. I feel so bad for Connor.

Matt 04-18-2015 07:38 PM

If Edmonton can't make the playoffs in the next three years, just relegate them to the AHL. They have no excuses for not being successful now.

The Great Zo 04-18-2015 07:38 PM

https://twitter.com/Zeisberger/statu...85249895641088
Quote:

#Sabres gm Tim Murray. "I'm disappointed for our fans."
There are not enough facepalms on the planet for this.

Hoek 04-18-2015 07:39 PM

LOL wow.. not smart at all.

The Great Zo 04-18-2015 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoek (Post 182205)
Unfreakingbelievable.. I feel so bad for Connor.

"Connor, you have a phone call from a Mr. Lindros..."

Derek28 04-18-2015 07:52 PM

The quotes from Murray must be making Eichel feel real good right now :doh:.

Alex 04-18-2015 08:58 PM

Happy McDavid is going to the west (for now, at least).

Barlow01 04-18-2015 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek28 (Post 182211)
The quotes from Murray must be making Eichel feel real good right now :doh:.

Exactly the first thing I thought of. What a moron this guy must be to have said that.

Barlow01 04-18-2015 09:31 PM

I am happy that Buffalo didn't get CMD with all they did to throw the second half of the season. I still think they should change the format to allow further eliminate any benefit to tanking.

the_narrow_way 04-18-2015 10:41 PM

I think the draft lottery is dumb. Do we really benefit by watching Daly open up the envelope? Just seed the teams by finish and be done with it.

Coldrice 04-19-2015 11:44 AM

The theme music while Daly opened the envelopes was captivating. For a second there, I thought I was watching Deal or No Deal

aapbolt 04-19-2015 03:44 PM

Lol
 
Maybe CMC will call Lindros' lawyer and try to work a deal...like to the Bolts? Great suggestion Zo!

pete 05-31-2015 04:01 PM

My early choice for the Lightning's top pick: G Ilya Samsonov of Magnitogorsk Jr. = Andrei Vasilevskiy Lite.

The Great Zo 05-31-2015 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete (Post 185295)
Ilya Samsonov of Magnitogorsk Jr.

I approve.

RSchmitz 05-31-2015 06:46 PM

Only if hes BPA

pete 05-31-2015 07:57 PM

Depends on who you ask. Button has him #14 overall. I think THN has him at at #38. RLR comes out Friday, I think, but reading the scouting report on him in THN, he sounds a lot like Vasilevskiy.

"Big, very focused, quick, and technically he's very solid".

6'3" 201 lbs.

I don't have absolute faith in either Gudlevskis or Wilcox after this past season, so I would not mind finding another Vasilevskiy to stick in the pipeline, whether we take them at #28 or at #44.

Derek28 06-01-2015 07:28 PM

Here's our current draft picks after today's trade:
Round (Overall Pick Selection)

1 (28)
2 (44)
3 (64)
4 (118)
4 (120 or 121)
5 (150 or 151)
6 (153)
6 (180 or 181)
7 (208)

Goboltz56 06-02-2015 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek28 (Post 185377)
Here's our current draft picks after today's trade:
Round (Overall Pick Selection)

1 (28)
2 (44)
3 (64)
4 (118)
4 (120 or 121)
5 (150 or 151)
6 (153)
6 (180 or 181)
7 (208)

That's a pretty good haul. Wouldn't be surprised if we traded down from 28 and ended up with three 2nd rounders.

ChaseSpace 06-03-2015 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goboltz56 (Post 185403)
That's a pretty good haul. Wouldn't be surprised if we traded down from 28 and ended up with three 2nd rounders.

Or we could package our 2nd with our first to move up a few spots if THE GUY Yzerman and Murray want is there.

RSchmitz 06-03-2015 11:59 AM

Give me Juulsen or Meloche and I'm happy.

aapbolt 06-03-2015 05:25 PM

Take
 
Colin white would be nice.

Goboltz56 06-04-2015 04:11 PM

I could see us ending up with Guryanov with one of our top 60 picks.

Derek28 06-17-2015 09:48 PM

I probably won't get any of these right but here's my updated 3 round mock for the bolts:

Round One, Pick #28 Overall:
Player/Position: Jake DeBrusk/LW
Team: Swift Current Broncos (WHL)
Height/Weight: 6'0"/174
Regular Season Stats: 72GP 42G+39A=81PTS and 40PIMS
Post Season Stats: 3GP 0PTS and 10PIMS

Round Two, Pick #44 Overall:
Player/Position: Nicolas Meloche/Right Handed Defenseman
Team: Baie-Comeau Drakkar (QMJHL)
Height/Weight: 6'3"/204
Regular Season Stats: 44GP 10G+24A=34PTS and 99PIMS
Post Season Stats: 12GP 4G+6A=10PTS and 22PIMS

Round Three Pick #64 Overall:
Player/Position: Daniel Vladar/Goalie
Team(s): HC Kladno(Czech2) and HC Kladno U20(Czech U20)
Height/Weight: 6'5"/185
Regular Season Stats with Kladno: 8GP 1.97GAA .933 Save Percentage
Regular Season Stats with KladnoU20: 29GP 2.78GAA .926 Save Percentage

RSchmitz 06-18-2015 01:54 PM

Will be doing cartwheels if we get Meloche at #44

Derek28 06-18-2015 02:47 PM

Yeah, it may be a bit of a stretch to think he'll be there at 44, but all the rankings I've seen have him ranked in the late 30's or early 40's on prospect lists so maybe he's still around.

jaydeedub 06-19-2015 06:08 AM

I wont pretend... I start to follow Bolt Prospects well... when they end up on this lovely website. I'll wait around for a mock draft from BP. But we need another goalie (in case in 3 years when Bish's contract is up and or traded and Vasy moved to #1)... Can't have enough puck moving RH defensemen, or good two way defensemen. Can't have enough sniper wingers (love me some Kuch!).. or good playmaking Centers...

Really though the hard part I think for me (and probably many of us) besides not being able to read SFY and the Scouts minds - is the other part of it - that X factor this group also seems to go for. It's really hard to look at just all these prospect rankings online but not know that kids character. Guessing that's where Tampa's prospect scouts have the one up. Our current group of players (which includes a bunch of TBL drafted guys) seems to be a great group of guys character-wise, they all get a long like a family of brothers and that to me is also huge and undervalued for Cup runs to come...

BurnTHalO 06-19-2015 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydeedub (Post 186506)
I wont pretend... I start to follow Bolt Prospects well... when they end up on this lovely website. I'll wait around for a mock draft from BP. But we need another goalie (in case in 3 years when Bish's contract is up and or traded and Vasy moved to #1)... Can't have enough puck moving RH defensemen, or good two way defensemen. Can't have enough sniper wingers (love me some Kuch!).. or good playmaking Centers...

Really though the hard part I think for me (and probably many of us) besides not being able to read SFY and the Scouts minds - is the other part of it - that X factor this group also seems to go for. It's really hard to look at just all these prospect rankings online but not know that kids character. Guessing that's where Tampa's prospect scouts have the one up. Our current group of players (which includes a bunch of TBL drafted guys) seems to be a great group of guys character-wise, they all get a long like a family of brothers and that to me is also huge and undervalued for Cup runs to come...

Completely agree with you. The tough part about hockey over all other sports is you need to have due diligence on probably a dozen or more leagues, and they are all really difficult to watch unless you know what your doing (which our fine folks here seem to know very well). But yeah, always look forward to what the crew running this site seems to think (I'll throw in Derek as well who seems to know his stuff, though I KNEW there would be a guy with high penalty minutes in one of his picks. :D)

RSchmitz 06-19-2015 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek28 (Post 186493)
Yeah, it may be a bit of a stretch to think he'll be there at 44, but all the rankings I've seen have him ranked in the late 30's or early 40's on prospect lists so maybe he's still around.

He's just the guy I want, it wouldn't be a shock if he's still there at 44.

aapbolt 06-21-2015 10:11 PM

Mock
 
I saw a mock that had us taking D Gabriel Karlsson, he is 6'4". Any comments on this kid or Alexander Dergachev?

RSchmitz 06-22-2015 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapbolt (Post 186614)
I saw a mock that had us taking D Gabriel Karlsson, he is 6'4". Any comments on this kid or Alexander Dergachev?

From what I've read, he doesn't have much offense to his game. That would be ok, except his skating is poor. His lack of mobility should keep Yzerman away, it's pretty much a must have to play on the team, a big reason why Aulie was let go and why Dotchin will probably only ever see spot duty.

Carlo is a guy I've seen get a ton of hate, and a ton of love. I've read scouts say he has great speed and a smooth skater, and I've read others say he is slow. IDK what the truth is, but he's another monstrous blueliner who could be available around where we pick, and he's right handed.

aapbolt 06-22-2015 07:07 PM

Mock
 
The Hockey Writers have us taking Thomas Chabot in the 1st, Rasmus Andersson in the 2nd and Yakov Trenin in the 3rd.
Also seeing Daniel Sprong falling out of the 1st in mocks and Juulsen moving into the 1st.
SBnation has us taking Anthony Beauvillier in the 1st.
One guy on Yahoo sports have us taking Jonas Siegenthaler in the 1st, with Sprong and Beauvillier still on the board.

Matt 06-23-2015 10:25 PM

Mock draft by Button has us taking D Jacob Larsson

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/nhl-mock-dr...picks-1.316145

RSchmitz 06-26-2015 01:42 AM

Yzerman seriously needs to stock pile some more seconds with the number of high ceiling D I'm seeing in the second round with the mocks I've read. Many have Kylington going into the early to mid second, that is crazy, he was considered 5-10 for the longest time.

bolts37205 06-26-2015 08:11 AM

love this article about draft disrupters
 
both goalies mentioned by Pete and Tim are included

http://thehockeywriters.com/top-10-n...ing-prospects/

I'm hoping for some disruptions such that DeBrusk or Sprong falls to us. Of course what SFY and company see is so much more that I have no doubt that what I think fills a need is probably a joke to them. Salary cap upcoming issues mean the draft is our only friend for the future, glad to have they guys we do pulling the trigger.

another top 10 mock draft wrecker list

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/th...7NsBlW2M.email

KuchieMonster 06-26-2015 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 186784)
Yzerman seriously needs to stock pile some more seconds with the number of high ceiling D I'm seeing in the second round with the mocks I've read. Many have Kylington going into the early to mid second, that is crazy, he was considered 5-10 for the longest time.

I would be really happy if we got Kylington in a slight trade down into the early second round.

The Great Zo 06-26-2015 03:01 PM

NHL Network has a pre-draft show starting at 530 PM EDT. Is the NHL going to be streaming this?

Donnie D 06-26-2015 03:37 PM

More importantly, is there going to be a BP Flash Chat?

The Great Zo 06-26-2015 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 186809)
More importantly, is there going to be a BP Flash Chat?

Definitely! I may or may not be there, depending on if I get called into work. Usually have a good crowd for drafts though. :)

ChaseSpace 06-26-2015 03:52 PM

Going to be at a bar for the USA-China game and the Argentina-Colombia game so I will have to follow the first round from my phone.

Hoping for something good.

Hoek 06-26-2015 04:11 PM

Yep all my screens are going to be taken up by those two games, too, lol.

Sotnos 06-26-2015 06:12 PM

Well we've got a couple people...

aapbolt 06-26-2015 06:24 PM

Lucic
 
LA is going big and mean by acquiring Lucy, price was pretty high in my estimation, jones is a good young goalie...wonder if Rask is on the block?

aapbolt 06-26-2015 07:20 PM

All
 
All 55 of the Turds fans are at the draft. They draft Crouse, damn that Dale Tallon.

Derek28 06-26-2015 07:40 PM

Gurianov at 12? DeBrusk at 14?

That is interesting....

aapbolt 06-26-2015 07:56 PM

Looking
 
I will look to see who is falling, interesting picks of Gurianov and DeBrusk thought they would be around at 28 also.
Who among Roy, Harkins , Merkley or Beauvillier?

Derek28 06-26-2015 09:09 PM

And Yzerman trolls all the bolts fans who drove down tonight to see them pick :p.

In all seriousness, great move to trade down and get another 3rd rounder.

aapbolt 06-26-2015 09:24 PM

Ideas
 
Any ideas about the 2nd round...maybe Roy or Sprong if they are still there?

Goboltz56 06-26-2015 09:29 PM

Bracco, Roy, Bittner, Sprong, Harkins, Carlo. Some good players still around for 33.

Derek28 06-26-2015 09:39 PM

My personal choice would be Bittner. The likely choice IMO is Kylington. Kylington has a couple red flags (his drop from pre-season top 5 to not even a first rounder) but Yzerman has taken a few guys in the 2nd round with question marks in the past (Erne, Kucherov).

It also might not be crazy to think that Yzerman wouldn't move down again if another team is in love with someone at 33.

Bolthed 06-26-2015 10:00 PM

Are we the Patriots of the NHL draft now?

pete 06-26-2015 10:13 PM

We're doing what Detroit used to do a lot.

They clearly wanted Roslovic and bailed when he got picked ahead of us.

There was a cluster of 5-6 guys who were all worthy of that 28th pick, none of which they were gaga in love with, so why not trade back to 33 and still get one and get an extra high 3rd rounder?

If I'm the Lightning, I try to package to two 3rds to get a third pick in the top-60 and see if I can pick off all my organizational needs boom, boom, boom: power forward, goaltender, center, in any order you like.

RSchmitz 06-26-2015 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete (Post 186840)
We're doing what Detroit used to do a lot.

They clearly wanted Roslovic and bailed when he got picked ahead of us.

There was a cluster of 5-6 guys who were all worthy of that 28th pick, none of which they were gaga in love with, so why not trade back to 33 and still get one and get an extra high 3rd rounder.

If I'm the Lightning, I try to package to two 3rds to get a third pick in the top-60 and see if I can pick off all my organizational needs boom, boom, boom: power forward, goaltender, center, in any order you like.

What makes you think they were after Roslovic? I'm good with trading down, I thought Gurianov would have been a good pick where we were sitting surprised to see him go so early.

RSchmitz 06-26-2015 11:59 PM

Surprised how many of the guys I'm interested are still on the board. Roy, Carlo, Bittner, and Kylington are probably my top 4 right now.

KuchieMonster 06-27-2015 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek28 (Post 186838)
My personal choice would be Bittner. The likely choice IMO is Kylington. Kylington has a couple red flags (his drop from pre-season top 5 to not even a first rounder) but Yzerman has taken a few guys in the 2nd round with question marks in the past (Erne, Kucherov).

It also might not be crazy to think that Yzerman wouldn't move down again if another team is in love with someone at 33.

Hope you are right. Although would think if they wanted him, they would have just grabbed him at 28 and been done with it.

timothy 06-27-2015 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 186842)
What makes you think they were after Roslovic? I'm good with trading down, I thought Gurianov would have been a good pick where we were sitting surprised to see him go so early.

It was leaked. Montreal wanted him too.

bolts37205 06-27-2015 08:46 AM

2nd day moves are starting
 
Eddie Lack did not get a great return, but at least it solves a team need for G which could make it easier for us to get Blackwood.


https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie


Yzerman value and depth of this draft should make for some interesting analysis.

Coldrice 06-27-2015 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete (Post 186840)
We're doing what Detroit used to do a lot.

They clearly wanted Roslovic and bailed when he got picked ahead of us.

There was a cluster of 5-6 guys who were all worthy of that 28th pick, none of which they were gaga in love with, so why not trade back to 33 and still get one and get an extra high 3rd rounder.

If I'm the Lightning, I try to package to two 3rds to get a third pick in the top-60 and see if I can pick off all my organizational needs boom, boom, boom: power forward, goaltender, center, in any order you like.

I was thinking Larsson (sealed the decision to move down), Juulsen, and Roslovic.

Still on my Board (stunned) - Roy, Sprong, and Fischer

RSchmitz 06-27-2015 09:58 AM

So, Spencer and Stephens. Woohoo, two guys I've done zero research on.

Wow look at Kylington drop like a rock

Derek28 06-27-2015 12:13 PM

BOKONDJI!!!!! Best fighter in junior hockey and he actually has some offense as well.

pete 06-27-2015 02:01 PM

For those of you who have complained the Lightning aren't built for the playoffs, this draft was all about adding some character, energy, and grit to the team... Lightning-style.

RSchmitz 06-27-2015 02:53 PM

Utterly uninspiring. Bunch of smaller guys with grit, whatever they've earned the benefit of the doubt I guess.

Would think we are in a position to take riskier high ceiling picks, not depth guys.

Hoek 06-27-2015 04:15 PM

Yeah pretty boring draft. Could have used at least one pure skill guy imo. They played it safe and might not end up with much.

aapbolt 06-27-2015 04:30 PM

Yep
 
Yep in a deep draft we got support guys, they are important but not sexy. I would have liked to see us grab Beauvillier, Sprong, Roy, Greenway, or Kylington or Harkins, but it was not to be.

Derek28 06-27-2015 06:13 PM

I might be in the minority, but it's a real solid draft IMO. As far as pure skill players go, I'd argue that Dennis Yan and Jonne Tammela could both fit in that category. Tammela's numbers when he was in leagues against players his own age were huge. Cirelli was a 3C, and Joseph was in his first season of major junior, so both probably have more untapped offensive ability. Stephens seems like he's good at everything, but not great at any one thing but could have a high ceiling. Two decent 2-way defensemen and a big goalie. Imama is similar to the DiGiacinto pick from last year, and he's not like your enforcers that are being weeded out of the NHL. He can actually skate and has some offensive upside which would always be nice to have on a 4th line down the road.

Bolthed 06-27-2015 06:49 PM

Maybe they identified an organizational need for more guys who can score greasy, high-effort goals. I mean, we do have a whole lot of fancy passers.

timothy 06-27-2015 09:02 PM

Murray indicated they plan to move Stephens to wing, and the plan is he's the next Ryan Callahan.

The takeaway from this draft is sandpaper, high effort, and brutal forecheckers. The exception being Dennis Yan, who is pure sniper - almost one-dimensionally so. He's got a bit to learn about playing in his own zone. Yan touts the Lightning as his favorite team, and he loves Kucherov. I'd say we got one/maybe two high skill guys, and then a slew of safe, hard-working, gritty, 2nd/3rd liners and 2nd/3rd pair guys. And then another long-term Wilcox-type project goalies.

Matt 06-27-2015 11:31 PM

There's no "exciting" pick in this draft like a Kucherov, that doesn't mean it's a bad draft. I'm not saying they'll be direct comparisons but this could be a draft where we get the Shaw/Kruger type role players that Chicago had. No stars but guys that contribute on the bottom lines and are a pain to play against.

RSchmitz 06-28-2015 12:18 AM

Today just reminded me how silly it is to get wrapped up in prospects and picks, because one, I'm not a pro scout, and two, a lot of these kids will never realize their potential.

I'm also to the point that I can't even guess as to what Yzerman and company are looking for. One year it's, draft high talent high risk guys no matter what the underlying circumstances are. The next year, it's draft high character guys and talent is secondary.

timothy 06-28-2015 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 186885)
I'm also to the point that I can't even guess as to what Yzerman and company are looking for. One year it's, draft high talent high risk guys no matter what the underlying circumstances are. The next year, it's draft high character guys and talent is secondary.

You mean to imply that perhaps their strategy is to keep the system stocked with a mix of different types of players with different strengths and weaknesses so that when you put them together on a team, they compliment one another?

It was a balanced draft by all rights: 2 LW, 2 C, 2 RW, 1 LHD, 1 RHD, 1 G

Also, this class was a very young class comparatively. At least three 17 year olds, and another 3 or 4 just-turned-18's. Imama was by far and away the oldest player taken. That tells me they think there isn't going to be much turnover on the big club now for a few years -- yeah the sprinkling of one or two new prospects per year, but the big en masse exodus of 7-9 prospects from Norfolk/Syracuse isn't happening again. Now we're in the slow burn, let them percolate operating mode. Now your club has the talent and depth that enables DET to make the playoffs for more than a decade straight. For years, no one picked DET as being all flashy-pan at the draft. We're 5 years in and now the main club is stocked, there's depth in the system, and you are entering cap management and system restocking maintenance. Get used to sitting at the back of the room.

RSchmitz 06-28-2015 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by timothy (Post 186886)
You mean to imply that perhaps their strategy is to keep the system stocked with a mix of different types of players with different strengths and weaknesses so that when you put them together on a team, they compliment one another?

Well I'm taking Yzerman for his word that they are taking BPA, so from my angle the only way to explain the massive difference in player type selected, is a change in draft philosophy.

ChaseSpace 06-28-2015 09:36 AM

No prospects jump off the page to me, who should I be excited about?

Also, didn't we have a 7th rounder heading into the draft? What happened to it?

Derek28 06-28-2015 09:50 AM

The 7th rounder was traded to Edmonton in exchange for a 7th rounder in 2016 (I think it's a Dallas 7th rounder). Yzerman said he wanted to spread the picks. That allows us to have 9 picks going into next year at the moment (we also own a Boston 2nd rounder).

bolts37205 06-28-2015 10:49 AM

but Torts won a Cup with safe is death
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by timothy (Post 186881)
Murray indicated they plan to move Stephens to wing, and the plan is he's the next Ryan Callahan.

The takeaway from this draft is sandpaper, high effort, and brutal forecheckers. The exception being Dennis Yan, who is pure sniper - almost one-dimensionally so. He's got a bit to learn about playing in his own zone. Yan touts the Lightning as his favorite team, and he loves Kucherov. I'd say we got one/maybe two high skill guys, and then a slew of safe, hard-working, gritty, 2nd/3rd liners and 2nd/3rd pair guys. And then another long-term Wilcox-type project goalies.


I do think we accomplished what SFY and team wanted, IF all those kids with development left do just that and fill in as contracts expire or require more than we have cap room to keep. Being contrarian may be best course of action since I heard lots of interview referencing either us or Chicago as to why you take speed and skill in a "little" guy because it is the way of the new NHL.

I loved a Jiri Fischer interview that I heard on Sirius about the analytics used and how to teach concepts to take advantage of what actually is working like more east west movement in the ozone and using dmen as interference, getting shots back on goal within 3 second etc. Those are traits that Det actually scouted. I'm sure we do the same and reminded me of how little I actually knew about players from reading consensus reports. I hate to be an imitator or even an emulator, but Det has had a LONG run of success and the imprint on SFY is obvious. How long can we lock SFY up for?? The more I look at this draft the better I like it. Hope we can stock Syracuse back to championship competition sooner than later.

Hoek 06-28-2015 10:58 AM

Didn't Yzerman sign a 4 year extension last year? Should be good.

arty 06-28-2015 01:23 PM

I feel like this draft has more Cooper
fingerprints on it , than Yzerman's . :thumb:

Donnie D 06-28-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 186884)
There's no "exciting" pick in this draft like a Kucherov.

I think Dennis Yan is a "Kucherov" pick. He put up big numbers for a rookie this year (led the league as a rookie). Oh and his reputation is that he doesn't play defense.

ChaseSpace 06-28-2015 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie D (Post 186901)
I think Dennis Yan is a "Kucherov" pick. He put up big numbers for a rookie this year (led the league as a rookie). Oh and his reputation is that he doesn't play defense.

The difference is that while Kutcherov's defense was a knock against him his compete level was not. Yan seems to have that stigma about him.

bolts37205 06-29-2015 08:35 AM

Stevens makes #3 of list for predicted success
 
of course the unnamed scout seems to be a Lightning scout, but Stevens is #3 on the list not named McDavid or Eichel.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...avid-or-eichel

The Great Zo 06-30-2015 05:30 PM

Here's an article about the diversity in the 2015 draft. Lightning pick Bokondji Imama was raised in Montreal, but his parents were both born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The Great Zo 06-30-2015 07:02 PM

Two top draftees mic'd up: Jack Eichel and Noah Hanifin.

My favorite part is when the BB&T Center audio system fails and Hanifin never gets to hear his name being called. Only the best for the new draftees at the home of the kitties.

Top Shelf 07-01-2015 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoek (Post 186872)
Yeah pretty boring draft. Could have used at least one pure skill guy imo. They played it safe and might not end up with much.

Then I'm glad I didn't even know it was last weekend. First Lightning draft I've missed since they started LOL
Quote:

Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 186885)
Today just reminded me how silly it is to get wrapped up in prospects and picks, because one, I'm not a pro scout, and two, a lot of these kids will never realize their potential.

:blush:

aapbolt 07-01-2015 10:33 AM

Interesting
 
I have read a number of grades on our draft this year and was a bit surprised at the consistency of the grades. In every one I read from yahoo to SI we got a solid B rating and were given props for having a very good draft and drafting high character guys with really good upsides. So while it was a bit boring, we did very good. I think, can't remember who said this, that we drafted guys who are unafraid to go to the greasy areas and score goals and have the skill to score goals in those areas.


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