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Sotnos 04-29-2013 09:27 AM

ECQF #2 Canadiens vs. #7 Sens
 
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RSchmitz 05-02-2013 09:37 PM

Gryba hits Eller in open ice, lots of blood. Replays I've seen aren't very good, doesn't look particularly malicious despite the blood but I could be wrong.

Alex 05-02-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RSchmitz (Post 147359)
Gryba hits Eller in open ice, lots of blood. Replays I've seen aren't very good, doesn't look particularly malicious despite the blood but I could be wrong.

Seeing Grybar's reaction tells me it was unintentional.

Per NHIC, broken nose and concussion.

BurnTHalO 05-03-2013 05:18 AM

That hit has me so confused. Every replay I have seen looks like a shoulder hit to me. If Ferrence (with multiple game suspensions already) gets only one game for a much more intentional head shot, how much could this one really be?

Hoek 05-03-2013 06:49 AM

That was a hospital pass by Diaz that set that up. Extremely unfortunate for Eller that he landed square on his face, which caused all the damage. I'm not sure what they can hand out here since there's nothing objective they could point to as being bad about the hit, only the results.

bolts37205 05-03-2013 07:17 AM

Diaz killed Eller
 
more elbow to the head than can be just shrugged off. I bet Gryba is gone for the series. Definitely a high hit that he could have controlled will be the Shanny explanation. Lot of elbow and not just shoulder and high in the chest with full force to face. Eller was hurt before he went down. Official medical opinion qualified by just watching a few views. Dude was concussed and lost arm control which is consistent with concussive force which is contra coup in the damage done. Gryba will be gone for at least four and maybe more. Could have been a clean hit but he chose to punish which is just what the league has been preaching against in their rulings thus far. Gryba has clean history which is the biggest mitigator and lots of high tech angles will be brought forth by Shannahan that not even TSN has:

http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/.../0#main/latest

Right or wrong I think Gryba gets 4 games. Head before body to me, excepting chest initial hit. The head can't snap that fast and not be a totally concussed flail.

Alex 05-03-2013 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bolts37205 (Post 147373)
more elbow to the head than can be just shrugged off. I bet Gryba is gone for the series. Definitely a high hit that he could have controlled will be the Shanny explanation. Lot of elbow and not just shoulder and high in the chest with full force to face. Eller was hurt before he went down. Official medical opinion qualified by just watching a few views. Dude was concussed and lost arm control which is consistent with concussive force which is contra coup in the damage done. Gryba will be gone for at least four and maybe more. Could have been a clean hit but he chose to punish which is just what the league has been preaching against in their rulings thus far. Gryba has clean history which is the biggest mitigator and lots of high tech angles will be brought forth by Shannahan that not even TSN has:

http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/.../0#main/latest

Right or wrong I think Gryba gets 4 games. Head before body to me, excepting chest initial hit. The head can't snap that fast and not be a totally concussed flail.

I disagree here. Even before I watched the video it looked more like initial body on body contact. The head is whiplashed from the hit (possible concussion) and Eller's face hits the ice straight on (broken nose, maybe concussion). The result is a lot worse than the hit itself. I expect 0 games, no fine.

Unfortunate play for Eller - wish him a speedy recovery.

Matt 05-03-2013 08:37 AM

Eller's face hitting the ice and him losing a lot of blood makes the hit look worse than it really was. I don't think Gryba did anything cheap on the play, he didn't raise his elbow or target the head.

KyleFreadrich43 05-03-2013 09:09 AM

Ice caused the blood and Diaz caused the bad hit by giving him a pass and turning his blind side to open ice.

Players eventually have to be held accountable for skating with their heads down. The hit was just bad circumstance.

Top Shelf 05-03-2013 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bolts37205 (Post 147373)
more elbow to the head than can be just shrugged off. I bet Gryba is gone for the series. Definitely a high hit that he could have controlled will be the Shanny explanation. Lot of elbow and not just shoulder and high in the chest with full force to face. Eller was hurt before he went down. Official medical opinion qualified by just watching a few views. Dude was concussed and lost arm control which is consistent with concussive force which is contra coup in the damage done. Gryba will be gone for at least four and maybe more. Could have been a clean hit but he chose to punish which is just what the league has been preaching against in their rulings thus far. Gryba has clean history which is the biggest mitigator and lots of high tech angles will be brought forth by Shannahan that not even TSN has:

http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/.../0#main/latest

Right or wrong I think Gryba gets 4 games. Head before body to me, excepting chest initial hit. The head can't snap that fast and not be a totally concussed flail.

:blush: Nothing personal doc, just no need to get too extreme IMO, esp. where considerable room for an alternative viewpoint clearly exists. First, the over-the-top title "Diaz killed Eller" isn't quite accurate on a couple of levels. Second, tossing "contrecoup" into a discussion of concussion among laypeople doesn't clarify it or make it more meaningful to the readership (no matter how it's spelled...this ain't Sesame Street). Third, a man's cerebrum bouncing off the interior surface of his calvarium is not an automatic penalty situation as your post appears to imply; concussions happen all too frequently on legal plays, like this one. Fourth, many sincere thanks for the link to the TSN breakdown, the technological treatment of which does a great job of...completely contradicting both yours and the referee's assessment of the hit's legality. Just reviewing the stop-action slo-mo: Puck on stick, feet on ice, shoulder down, elbow in, principal contact directly to chest & lower abdomen...textbook clean, hard, open-ice bodycheck this league was built on, IMHO. Not even a minor for interference in sight, let alone the major.

While the hit of course made me feel for Eller and I join the rest of the hockey community, such as it is, in wishing the best for him and his family after this serious head injury, I have no problem with this check at all, and I'm just as surprised as everyone in studio and around the hockey world that there's even a hearing. This is still full-contact hockey, right? Just "checking"...


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