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the_narrow_way 10-05-2017 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 218711)
If that is the case then why did not the media and the left say anything about the 3700 lives taken in Chicago during the Obama administration?

LOL. It did. You should know, Fox News and the right-wing media empire took every opportunity to point to gun violence in Chicago.

WaiverWire 10-06-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by the_narrow_way (Post 218737)
LOL. It did. You should know, Fox News and the right-wing media empire took every opportunity to point to gun violence in Chicago.

I am not trying to make light of this. We should all be outraged that these killings are taking place on daily basis and should be demanding changes to how we legislate firearms.

Several have posted many good ideas that should be looked at. Do I agree with all of the suggestions, no. Our legislators will not take action until we all say enough is enough.

BurnTHalO 10-06-2017 08:15 AM

It's sad how most Americans want at least some sort of gun regulation. It doesn't matter. Don't worry, Congress will send thoughts and prayers and then say we will look into it. Jesus, we aren't even allowed to study the issue.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/...hip-with-guns/

http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

gphockey 10-06-2017 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Flycoon (Post 218705)
People kill people. I propose that this person be sat in the 32nd floor of the Mnadalay Bay with an assortment of knives, swords, bows etc. See how many die. People kill people is the dumbest explanation of this event.

Look I am as sympathetic to this tragedy as anyone, but you gotta use some common sense. Line up all the weapons used in Vegas.....and not one goes off without....yup, a person to pull the trigger.
BTW PEOPLE using knives kill more than rifles. Whats next regulating or banning cutlery from Martha Sterwart, Emeril and Rachel Ray?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2009-2013.xls

dannybolt 10-06-2017 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gphockey (Post 218757)
Hmmmm, line up all his weapons and not one goes off without....a person to pull the trigger.
BTW PEOPLE using knives kill more than rifles. Whats next banning cutlery from Martha Sterwart, Emeril and Rachel Ray?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2009-2013.xls

Killing is not the primary purpose of cutlery, nor is it for most knives. Your argument would yield personal tanks and nukes on the other end of the spectrum. Obviously it should be legislated somewhere in the middle. Which is what is being proposed.

gphockey 10-06-2017 11:27 AM

OK on middle legislation, still, knives made the list.

On a better note, I hope this women survived. This guy is a hero and you gotta love the military.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/05/hero-wh...-army-soldier/

BurnTHalO 10-06-2017 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gphockey (Post 218757)
Look I am as sympathetic to this tragedy as anyone, but you gotta use some common sense. Line up all the weapons used in Vegas.....and not one goes off without....yup, a person to pull the trigger.
BTW PEOPLE using knives kill more than rifles. Whats next regulating or banning cutlery from Martha Sterwart, Emeril and Rachel Ray?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2009-2013.xls

So where do you draw that line? If people kill people and weapons are not to blame, do you then have a line? Does that mean we should fully support all countries developing nukes?

Also worth pointing out there are a lot of unknown gun deaths listed there. Plus, I would venture to say there are a lot more knives in this country than rifles. Further, how do the rates of attacks vs. dead correlate? I would love to see a stat that shows a ratio for each weapon on number of attacks vs number of dead to see which are doing the most damage. And I will go back to the age old argument, the point of a knife is not to kill large numbers of people.

Of course, worth again pointing out that Congress refuses to even allow a study on the issue, so most of my questions will remain unanswered.

WaiverWire 10-06-2017 11:59 AM

Many may find this hard to believe but the number of violent crimes committed has fallen dramatically over the years. This also includes crimes with a firearm, such as murder.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ecline/477408/

BurnTHalO 10-06-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire (Post 218764)
Many may find this hard to believe but the number of violent crimes committed has fallen dramatically over the years. This also includes crimes with a firearm, such as murder.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ecline/477408/

No, it's very easy to believe. Here is the issue people have now:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...nes-full-data/

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._shootings.png

WaiverWire 10-06-2017 12:33 PM

First you should look at how we do our background checks and then the cause, and then try to determine if any of those shootings were avoidable.


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