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On the NC/Clemson broadcast, Urban Meyer's response to the question about how to handle BCS talk late in the season:
"We tried to make it as hard as possible, 'cause you can control what you can control, and you have your athletes for an hour meeting a day, maybe an hour and a half, and then you're on the field for two hours. You have them for four hours a day and you want to make it so hard that they're only worried about those four hours a day, because the rest of the day you know what's happening: a bunch of pats on the back, phone calls, agents, all the stuff you don't want to deal with as a coach."
Oops.
RSchmitz
10-22-2011, 02:24 PM
Bulls losing again. Gawd I can save myself some anguish and just stop watching :doh:
Most anti-clutch team ever.
jaydeedub
10-22-2011, 02:52 PM
Most anti-clutch team ever.
Epic fail. Biggest Big East losers. Can not win against the Big East. Gesh. :mad:
NoSpin
10-22-2011, 03:01 PM
I hate my life.
I'm going to go post about the amazing No.8 in the nation USF Soccer Team and forget we ever had a football team.
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RSchmitz
10-22-2011, 05:36 PM
It was an obvious jest that we were once #2 in the country. These days I'm hiding my USF tie and not mentioning where I got my degree. Such a waste
Seriously? You let the football team affect that? :p
RSchmitz
10-22-2011, 07:38 PM
lol. I work at a football centric workplace. Trust me all of the state alumni are mia these days.
NoSpin
10-23-2011, 07:26 AM
In a game lost by three points, USF coach Skip Holtz defended his decision to allow about 20 seconds to run off the clock in the final minute of the first half, surrendering a shot at a touchdown to settle for a tying field goal on third down.
"I was not willing to roll the dice, call the timeout with 15 seconds, try to run a drop-back play, take a sack and all the sudden, you don't even get the three points out of it," Holtz said after Saturday's 37-34 defeat to Cincinnati.
"The decision I made at that second was, 'Don't get caught here without a point. Take your timeout. Kick the field goal. Make sure it's 10-10.' "
Facing second and goal at the 2 with 28 seconds left and one timeout, Holtz called for a quick pass. But QB B.J. Daniels chose to try to score on a keeper and was stopped for no gain. A timeout would have stopped the clock with about 23 seconds left, allowing for one pass into the end zone before, if necessary, settling for a short field goal on fourth down.
"If it wouldn't have been (incomplete) and something happened, we would have gotten zero points," Holtz said. "Then I'm sitting here answering questions, looking my team in the eye, saying, 'Why didn't you take the timeout and kick the field goal?' I felt like in a 10-7 football game, the three points were the most important thing.
I completely disagree with his reasoning. His logic infers that he didn't have faith in his QB to not take the sack or throw the INT. I don't want a coach not willing to take the chances to win. TD gives us 4 more points, we lost by 3. Third and Goal at the 2.
Honeymoon's over Skip. Going into the Prevent Defense let Cincy go 70yds in 1 minute, the whole Defensive staff should be fired for what happened here and in Pitt.
Avery86
10-23-2011, 01:45 PM
It was an obvious jest that we were once #2 in the country. These days I'm hiding my USF tie and not mentioning where I got my degree. Such a waste
At least you're not at UCF fan. Lost to UAB.
UAB.
I give up on this season.
jaydeedub
10-25-2011, 05:36 PM
Now WVU leaving the Big East for the Big 12... USF better jump ship soon before they go down with it.
NoSpin
10-26-2011, 09:31 AM
Now WVU leaving the Big East for the Big 12... USF better jump ship soon before they go down with it.
USF is trapped. We aren't very good, so nobody sees us as strengthing their conference, and we don't suck enough for the other Florida schools to feel comfy about letting us in the ACC or SEC.
As the Big East goes, so do we.
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Avery86
10-26-2011, 09:42 AM
USF is trapped. We aren't very good, so nobody sees us as strengthing their conference, and we don't suck enough for the other Florida schools to feel comfy about letting us in the ACC or SEC.
As the Big East goes, so do we.
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Apparently there are rumbles and grumbles of the Big East, C-USA and Mountain West forming a super-conference.
NoSpin
10-26-2011, 10:05 AM
Apparently there are rumbles and grumbles of the Big East, C-USA and Mountain West forming a super-conference.
I see almost no downside to that, you finally gain enough teams to achieve stability.
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Sotnos
10-28-2011, 09:11 AM
Just got this in my email from WDAE:
It appears USF's future in the Big East, as far as its football relevance is concerned, is going to be secure.
Friday morning on WDAE, Washington Examiner columnist Jim Williams reported that the Big East is set to announce the addition of six new teams including football power Boise State. The others are Air Force, Houston, SMU, UCF and Navy according to Williams, who is a guest every Friday morning with Dan Sileo.
Williams added that USF might actually receive an invite from the Big 12 as well. But assuming it stays in the Big East, USF will be a member of a renewed 12-team league. Army, which will get lobbied by Air Force and Navy to join up, would be the 12th says Williams should it accept -- other candidates for the 12th spot would be Memphis, Tulane and East Carolina.
Boise, Air Force and Navy would be football-only members while UCF and the two Texas schools would join for all sports.
NoSpin
10-28-2011, 12:59 PM
Just got this in my email from WDAE:
Interesting, but if we (by a miracle) did get the Big 12 invite...get the heck out of here!
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Georgia Tech comes off the canvas and smacks #5 Clemson square across the mouth! Dabo Swinney and his corps of high school assistants versus Paul Johnson and Al Groh is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. The pundits putting their chips on Dabo were making a fool's bargain. There's no way in hell, with all their athletes, that Clemson should ever lose to an academic school like Tech, and yet I believe that makes Tech winners in 5 of the last 6 against Clempus, and it's purely because they got out coached like a mug tonight.
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/6c/fullj.4bd21fa31d1214742f82a5aa99ab5b94/4bd21fa31d1214742f82a5aa99ab5b94-getty-130776233.jpg
Georgia Tech draws Virginia Tech on Thursday night on 11/10, in what is probably the de facto ACC Coastal Championship Game, because it's hard to imagine GT losing to Duke and/or VT losing to Virginia, or Virginia beating FSU, for that matter. I bet Dabo and "Clemson Nation" are praying for a Hokies win, because they don't want the prospect of a replay of two years ago when Georgia Tech broke their hearts twice on the way to the Orange Bowl. VT will have the extra half a week to prepare for the triple option, which can be an advantage, but over the past few seasons VT has struggled like all get out with GT's offense. GT would've won last year were it not for Nesbitt breaking his arm in the game.
I was telling people all week, Tech was dangerous in this spot. Their defense has been playing pretty well. They held Miami to 17 offensive points last week and they held Clemson to 17 offensive points this week. If they give up only 17 offensive points and Tech's offense plays like it should, and it was hard to imagine they'd stay down for long, they should win by not less than 2 touchdowns. And, lo a behold, they won 31-17 tonight.
timothy
10-30-2011, 02:13 AM
And, lo a behold, they won 31-17 tonight.
It was a thing of beauty.
NoSpin
10-30-2011, 11:44 AM
GT played a hell of a game.
Did anybody see Stanford/USC last night? Stupid play call on USC's last play of regulation cost them the game.
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Maverick9911
10-30-2011, 01:40 PM
I feel like sending Paul Johnson flowers and beer this morning. An ACC opponent, on the road and their fans storm the field afterward. Picture perfect.
Looks like Dabo has some more high school coaches to bribe after all.
Dabo is a clown, and he gets undressed every other game against GT, and it's worse now because Tech DC Al Groh is a former ACC Coach of the Year in his own right. They confused the living piss out of Clemson's offense all night long. Tajh Boyd can be blitzed into oblivion if you don't telegraph where you're bringing the pressure from, and Tech was doing some very sophisticated pro-style amoeba formations with their front-7 on a few obvious passing downs.
People say Tech can't recruit top offensive talent because of the triple-option, and they're probably right (but they don't need to, 3-star athletes can play like 4 and 5 star guys if they execute in the system), but you watch: top defensive talent will beat a path to Al Groh's door to play in Tech's version of the 3-4, and that's why I like Tech's chances for the next 5 or so years. If Tech gives up 21 or less points a game, the way PJ coaches offense, they should win 90% of the time, and win handily.
Maverick9911
11-01-2011, 11:21 PM
09-04-2011, 11:20 PM
pete
BP Staff
...they dismissed/disqualified their two most experienced tailbacks and put all their eggs in the Isiah Crowell basket (that kid's a dirtbag, he'll be in jail at some point in the next 10 years, btw).
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7178202/georgia-bulldogs-suspend-three-running-backs-one-game
Crowell's on his way.
I wonder exactly when Pope Richt was made aware of the results.
The rumor on the radio stations here was that the dummy walked into a team meeting with a joint in his mouth. Don't know if that's hyperbole or the truth. This is the same clown who was whining he didn't like having to show up to media events at UGA because no one even cared if he showed up to class when he was in high school.
Florida and Auburn fans should rightfully feel pissed. Crowell and the other tailbacks who got busted shouldn't have been eligible to play against the Gators and Rev. Richt sat on the positive tests until after the game so he could suspend Crowell against the juggernaut that is might New Mexico State. Have no fear, he'll magically be back just in time to play against the War Eagle Tigers. If Auburn wasn't manifestly crooked, I might feel more sorry for them. But, of course, Auburn sucks (they got beat by Reggie Ball, twice).
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Clearly though, between LSU and Georgia, we're now discovering what the key is to the SEC's success. Yes, the key to running a great program is, apparently, making Cheech and Chong quantities of synthetic weed available to your players. No truth to the rumors it's being renamed the SIC... the Sticky Icky Conference.
Sotnos
11-05-2011, 03:51 PM
Stumbled across this story about Chaz Hine, USF player. Multi-talented young man, great voice!
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/good-sports/201110/centers-stage-usf-lineman-chaz-hine-has-found-spotlight-field
There's no doubt in my mind Alabama and LSU are the 2 best teams in the country this year, but stylistically this is hard to watch. This is like Baltimore Ravens/Trent Dilfer bad to watch.
NoSpin
11-05-2011, 09:39 PM
I just wanted to say, after missing a chip shot to win the game as time expired...USF really sucks. In every facet.
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NoSpin
11-05-2011, 09:49 PM
I mean REALLY sucks. Two 30 yd runs with 30 seconds left to set up the winning kick, and you completely pull it wide left? We won't make a bowl this year and I'm glad. The whole football organization needs a kick in the butt. Mediocrity shouldn't be tolerated anymore.
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gatsby
11-05-2011, 10:31 PM
If this is the game of the Century, this is a joke. Such a boring, piece of shit game. I hope the BCS would put Stanford, Houston, Boise St ahead of these two teams for their garbage play but of course noooooo. One of these teams will probably play for a NC and bore the shit out of America come like Jan 7th or whenever.
gatsby
11-05-2011, 10:34 PM
As for USF, can we contract them? 17-3 in the 4th and you lose??!! What a fucking garbage team. I hope they lose every game.
Alabama just handed LSU the National Championship on a silver platter. 2 missed field goals, 1 blocked field goal, and a receiver who gets a catch ripped right out of his hands at the opposing 1 yard line. LSU was terrible offensively in that game. Alabama could at least move the ball a little, but they choked their opportunities to win it regulation, and in OT, LSU just has the better kicker.
This is going to get very interesting. I think we're looking at Oklahoma versus LSU in the NC Game when they beat Oklahoma State and Stanford loses to Oregon. Alabama's strength of schedule from here on out isn't as good as Oklahoma's because of that Oklahoma State game. Although... Broyles from Oklahoma tore his knee today, so maybe Oklahoma State pulls that game out.
I'm hoping Boise State chokes against UNLV tonight, because their schedule is a bad prank on the college football world.
NoSpin
11-06-2011, 06:57 AM
As for USF, can we contract them? 17-3 in the 4th and you lose??!! What a fucking garbage team. I hope they lose every game.
I hope we can pull the win over Miami, but after that I don't care. I would rather not watch a dominating performance over a CUSA team in the Danimals Yogurt Bowl. Skip has one more year before I want him out, we fired Leavitt for a whole lot less than this.
In other news, has anybody seen the sex abuse story out of Penn State? Absolutely sickening.
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Sotnos
11-06-2011, 09:34 AM
In other news, has anybody seen the sex abuse story out of Penn State? Absolutely sickening.Reading it now, really disgusting and it sounds like this went on for years.
Donnie D
11-06-2011, 02:53 PM
we fired Leavitt for a whole lot less than this.
I know that you aren't suggesting that a coach hitting a player is acceptable as long as the team wins, right?
NoSpin
11-06-2011, 05:52 PM
I know that you aren't suggesting that a coach hitting a player is acceptable as long as the team wins, right?
Absolutely not, but I don't believe for a second we fired Leavitt for that. We'll never know what happened in the locker room, but I honestly believe that Leavitt was fired for not being able to win BE games. The team had reached a plateau under him, the administration knew it, and they used the controversy as an excuse to get him out.
He wouldn't have been fired if we weren't always bumbling through BE play under him (imho). There would have been an investigation, maybe a punishment of some sort, but he wouldn't have been fired.
This is assuming that all the evidence the University had was the conflicting he said she said the media was reporting. If they had solid evidence against him, Leavitt had to go absolutely no question, winner or not, but I don't think they did.
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Reading it now, really disgusting and it sounds like this went on for years.
I don't see why it took Penn State 3+ years to ban the guy from campus, and why they allowed him to keep drawing a paycheck and keep an office. It doesn't get more cut and dry, to me, than a graduate assistant walking in on the deed.
The BCS is horsecrap. Alabama should not be ahead of Stanford.
Sotnos
11-06-2011, 09:02 PM
I don't see why it took Penn State 3+ years to ban the guy from campus, and why they allowed him to keep drawing a paycheck and keep an office. It doesn't get more cut and dry, to me, than a graduate assistant walking in on the deed.
And no one contacted the police. Talk about CYA, and for something so disgusting.
Looks like Paterno is done.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html
BurnTHalO
11-08-2011, 12:48 PM
I don't see why it took Penn State 3+ years to ban the guy from campus, and why they allowed him to keep drawing a paycheck and keep an office. It doesn't get more cut and dry, to me, than a graduate assistant walking in on the deed.
My understanding is he WASNT band from campus. There are reports he was working out on campus last week, that all that happened was he was not allowed to hold his camps at Penn State anymore. What a mess this is. It's like watching the Catholic Church in sports form.
NoSpin
11-09-2011, 10:44 AM
Reports that Paterno retires end of this season.
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WaiverWire
11-09-2011, 10:51 AM
Not soon enough. A great coach that will be leaving with a huge tarnished spot on his record.
BurnTHalO
11-09-2011, 11:12 AM
Is the NCAA investigating any of this and sactioning? I would find it almost commical if Boise lost like 10 scholarships for buying kids McDonalds, but Penn State has nothing done (well, guess par for the course since next to nothing has happened to Miami) for supporting and covering up for a child mollestor.
Flycoon
11-09-2011, 01:08 PM
Is the NCAA investigating any of this and sactioning? I would find it almost commical if Boise lost like 10 scholarships for buying kids McDonalds, but Penn State has nothing done (well, guess par for the course since next to nothing has happened to Miami) for supporting and covering up for a child mollestor.
This is a criminal matter. Not at all related to the NCAA.
BurnTHalO
11-09-2011, 02:24 PM
This is a criminal matter. Not at all related to the NCAA.
It's completely related to the NCAA, it's a matter of if it falls into their rules, and to me it does. The rule book talks about it is the job of the institution to show integrity, honesty, and responsibility, not just in athletics, but "In the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program." To me, they showed no responsibility, no integrity, and no responsibility. Guess I may be trying to hard to come down on them, but like I said, I find it crazy we punnish a college for giving a player a Big Mac but not for covering up for a coach sexually assaulting kids.
gatsby
11-09-2011, 05:12 PM
But it has nothing to do with the sports side other than it happened to an ex-coach who was allowed limited access to the athletic facilities by the president of the university. It's a criminal matter and should have no bearing on their scholarships or bowl eligibility.
NoSpin
11-09-2011, 05:37 PM
But it has nothing to do with the sports side other than it happened to an ex-coach who was allowed limited access to the athletic facilities by the president of the university. It's a criminal matter and should have no bearing on their scholarships or bowl eligibility.
I agree with you there. BUT, to play devil's advocate, the whole reason this wasn't reported was to protect Penn State football. In addition to criminal charges against the men involved, I think the football program should see some sanctions to prove a point. Hide something to protect football, and football will be ripped apart when we find out.
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WaiverWire
11-09-2011, 11:40 PM
I agree with you there. BUT, to play devil's advocate, the whole reason this wasn't reported was to protect Penn State football. In addition to criminal charges against the men involved, I think the football program should see some sanctions to prove a point. Hide something to protect football, and football will be ripped apart when we find out.
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How about the school ponying up and paying some real cash to those that are victims after the program knew they had a problem. You have to hurt them where it counts and in todays world college football is all about the money.
Maverick9911
11-09-2011, 11:48 PM
Give 'em the bowl game payout.
WaiverWire
11-10-2011, 12:00 AM
Penn State should not get a bowl game. Make it come from general revenue fund
There were rumors Urban Meyer would take that job when Paterno retired. I have a feeling that program is too radioactive to touch for a couple of years now, though.
Maverick9911
11-10-2011, 12:52 AM
Al Golden - dare you leave one sinking ship for another?
BurnTHalO
11-10-2011, 07:23 AM
But it has nothing to do with the sports side other than it happened to an ex-coach who was allowed limited access to the athletic facilities by the president of the university. It's a criminal matter and should have no bearing on their scholarships or bowl eligibility.
Limited Access? The guy had an office on campus, brought little boys TO the facilities, was working out there last week. That's not limited access.
But it's not just the guy. You also have athletic directors and coaches involved in covering up the crimes. They have everything to do with the NCAA.
Sotnos
11-10-2011, 07:58 AM
How about the school ponying up and paying some real cash to those that are victims after the program knew they had a problem. You have to hurt them where it counts and in todays world college football is all about the money.
They probably will be paying out some cash once their asses get sued to the nth degree as they should be by the victims' families!
To just think, some children could probably have been spared if someone had only done the right thing & put their welfare first instead of worrying about making themselves look bad. How many more kids were victimized because of this ridiculously poor decision making? Makes me sick & angry.
NoSpin
11-11-2011, 11:21 PM
I don't want to speak too soon...but don't get to say this often. I think USF is going to win.
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timothy
11-12-2011, 12:28 PM
Today is the 7th Hell Bowl -- Auburn vs UGA. The only acceptable outcome is the Earth opening up and swallowing both teams.
I hate Auburn much less than UGA. But, of course, it's a down season for the Tigers while they replenish the war chest to buy a new quarterback.
Looking forward to Dawg Nation convincing themselves they can beat LSU and then getting the schnikeys kicked out of themselves in the Georgia Dome.
Wow.. Gators had trouble getting past Furman. They don't deserve a bowl game. Cmon.
NoSpin
11-19-2011, 06:38 PM
Wow.. Gators had trouble getting past Furman. They don't deserve a bowl game. Cmon.
They really suck this year.
Another horrible performance by the USF coaching staff. Leaving no time on the clock at the end, embarrassing play calling.... Skip not going for it on the tons of 4th and 1s show somebody who was playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
And someone explain how Miami is going to a bowl after what happened this offseason....
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Yeah why the hell didn't they use their timeouts? Ugh..
gatsby
11-19-2011, 09:09 PM
Went to the game unfortunately. Skip is a terrible coach and I'd love to see him fired. He's such a pussy. No guts at all and HORRIBLE at clock management. There were times I thought Olsen was calling plays. Probably the most boring college football game I've ever seen.
NoSpin
11-19-2011, 09:43 PM
Went to the game unfortunately. Skip is a terrible coach and I'd love to see him fired. He's such a pussy. No guts at all and HORRIBLE at clock management. There were times I thought Olsen was calling plays. Probably the most boring college football game I've ever seen.
He just doesn't take risks. Guess what? USF isn't LSU, you NEED to take risks to win sometimes. That means with clock winding down, instead of taking the safe FG you go for the TD. And when your team, in a defensive struggle, is known for giving up game winning drives, you need to take a risk to score.
It's weird, because he wasn't like that last year, I loved his play calling. He has no faith in his team. He has one more year for me, if he doesn't show he is capable of leading this team he should be gone.
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Donnie D
11-20-2011, 05:27 AM
Evidently, not everyone agrees with your assessment of the coach:
TAMPA — The Bulls may lose coach Skip Holtz to North Carolina, according to a report from Yahoo Sports. Charles Robinson, who broke news of Miami's NCAA scandal, posted on Twitter that UNC was "locking onto" Holtz, citing "heavy hitter in coach representation." Robinson later wrote that a "vital internal advocate" was pushing for Holtz. New UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham has been friends with Holtz for 25 years, since both attended Notre Dame. Holtz is finishing the second year of a five-year deal at USF, and while he might hesitate to leave for a school likely facing major sanctions, USF's uncertain position with the Big East in limbo could make him give the Tar Heels a longer look. Holtz did not respond to a call and text message seeking comment.
Donnie D
11-20-2011, 05:29 AM
He just doesn't take risks.
And this would explain why:
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/inept-usf-bulls-offense-leaves-skip-holtz-wary-of-risk/1202695
NoSpin
11-20-2011, 07:38 AM
Evidently, not everyone agrees with your assessment of the coach:
TAMPA — The Bulls may lose coach Skip Holtz to North Carolina, according to a report from Yahoo Sports. Charles Robinson, who broke news of Miami's NCAA scandal, posted on Twitter that UNC was "locking onto" Holtz, citing "heavy hitter in coach representation." Robinson later wrote that a "vital internal advocate" was pushing for Holtz. New UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham has been friends with Holtz for 25 years, since both attended Notre Dame. Holtz is finishing the second year of a five-year deal at USF, and while he might hesitate to leave for a school likely facing major sanctions, USF's uncertain position with the Big East in limbo could make him give the Tar Heels a longer look. Holtz did not respond to a call and text message seeking comment.
I don't know, i would think losing 5 games would be a slight turn off.
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Flycoon
11-20-2011, 08:47 AM
I don't know, i would think losing 5 games would be a slight turn off.
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Ahhhh. You expect him to make chicken salad with chicken shit.
Flycoon
11-20-2011, 08:53 AM
FSU chokes another one away to a so so ACC opponent. Fisher better get his act together or he will get a rep as the next Ron Zook. Great recruiter, lousy coach.
gatsby
11-20-2011, 02:47 PM
Ahhhh. You expect him to make chicken salad with chicken shit.
Yeah this explanation doesn't work. At all.
Donnie D
11-20-2011, 03:24 PM
He came within 3 of Miami. The fact that he had the opportunity to win may just show how good a coach he is.
NoSpin
11-20-2011, 04:16 PM
He came within 3 of Miami. The fact that he had the opportunity to win may just show how good a coach he is.
Miami is not a powerhouse anymore, and he lost to UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, and Pitt. Not exactly national powers there either.
I don't want to make it seem like I hate him (I don't at all), but just the way games have been called this season are leaving me dumbfounded. So UConn got torn up through the air by Western Michigan last week, what's the gameplan coach? Oh run it right up the gut the first two downs every drive? 3rd and 2 at the goal line, enough time to run one more play...oh you are just going to run the clock out and kick a FG?
He can't control the D laying an egg at the end of every game, or Maikon missing a chip shot to win, but he can control those things....
As for the chickenshit comment, USF is a team that, barring a QB mental breakdown in Gainesville, would have beaten UF, FSU, and UM over the past 2 years. If we didn't have the ability, I wouldn't take losing so hard. But they can beat every single team on that schedule, they just dont .
Anyway, beyond that I'm curious how the top 5 looks this week. Crazy games this weekend, I think 2, 4, and 5 lost?
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Maverick9911
11-20-2011, 04:20 PM
I blame that rapid ascent to #2. That created a ton of unreasonable and delusional expectations and now mediocrity is toxic.
gatsby
11-20-2011, 04:59 PM
The coaching has been one of the biggest issues. We have talented RBs but Scott is far and away the best yet Skip still wants to platoon them. Our D was near the top of the NCAA in sacks and was leading in TFL, but they always go to the prevent zone D at the end of the half or game that allows the other teams to gash us. It's obvious Skip doesn't have much confidence in this team which I'm sure the kids have noticed. That's contagious. Grow some balls and take some risks and I'd think the team would respond in kind to that. Just hate that the coaching staff seems to neuter the team when there's no reason to do so.
Saturday at 12 pm. Clean Old Fashioned Hate. The only game that matters.
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timothy
11-20-2011, 09:06 PM
Saturday at 12 pm. Clean Old Fashioned Hate. The only game that matters.
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Indeed. To hell with Georgia. 7th hell at that. And then rot. While enduring SAT prep classes for eternity.
Flycoon
11-21-2011, 08:50 AM
Yeah this explanation doesn't work. At all.
How about some brutally frank honesty? Its freakin' USF. They get the recruiting scraps left by FSU, UF, UM and UCF. Their talent level is their problem, not the coach. The school as a destination for any recruit wanted by one of the other four is a problem.
Donnie D
11-21-2011, 03:15 PM
Kind of ironic. Holtz is being beat up in the media for not taking risks. The Bucs coach is being beat up for taking too many risks.
Proves once again, a coach never wins when he is being second guessed.
gatsby
11-21-2011, 04:33 PM
How about some brutally frank honesty? Its freakin' USF. They get the recruiting scraps left by FSU, UF, UM and UCF. Their talent level is their problem, not the coach. The school as a destination for any recruit wanted by one of the other four is a problem.
From the comment you made earlier you seem to be an FSU fan, so I'll forgive you for not knowing anything about USF and trying to talk like you actually do. Also, the fact that you think USF is getting UCF recruiting scraps is just amazingly retarded. USF has enough talent in its starters and some backups to not use the "talent level" as an excuse. They do have some issues with depth but that's not exactly what's hurting them. I think Skip tried to be conservative after the Pitt loss to try and not have another mid season losing streak which has compounded itself. The D has been near the top of the NCAA in some of the categories and you don't get there without talent. Just need better coaching and gameplans.
Kind of ironic. Holtz is being beat up in the media for not taking risks. The Bucs coach is being beat up for taking too many risks.
Proves once again, a coach never wins when he is being second guessed.
Morris should be criticized more for taking dumb, unnecessary risks with the onside kicks than anything else. I think that's the issue there, not just the risk of the attempts.
Flycoon
11-21-2011, 05:13 PM
From the comment you made earlier you seem to be an FSU fan, so I'll forgive you for not knowing anything about USF and trying to talk like you actually do.
Gator fan, so I know what lack of talent looks like. And USF fits the bill. Not rocket science.
The FSU comment was more about lack of interest in the Noles.
ChaseSpace
11-21-2011, 05:36 PM
Gator fan, so I know what lack of talent looks like. And USF fits the bill. Not rocket science.
The FSU comment was more about lack of interest in the Noles.
If you think Gators have a lack of talent you must not understand talent. Gators are one of the more talented teams in the SEC, having your coaching staff overhauled and a new offensive and defensive system put in place will hurt a team the first year or 2.
Flycoon
11-21-2011, 06:21 PM
If you think Gators have a lack of talent you must not understand talent. Gators are one of the more talented teams in the SEC, having your coaching staff overhauled and a new offensive and defensive system put in place will hurt a team the first year or 2.
Gators have more talent than LSU? Alabama? Arkansas? Georgia? South Carolina? They are on an even footing with MSU and Vandy and are a cut above the rest, but their talent is NOT up to par with the first five mentioned.
Mick Hubert thinks you are myopic.
Avery86
11-21-2011, 06:58 PM
Also, the fact that you think USF is getting UCF recruiting scraps is just amazingly retarded.
2012 recruiting is still in progress, so I'll use 2011 as the most recent statistic.
Rivals.com rankings for the top-50 schools has UCF at #39, which is good enough to be the top non-AQ conference school on the list. Also good enough to be the #3 class in the Big East, likely soon to be their new home. USF wasn't in the top-50, nor were FAU or FIU.
Maverick9911
11-21-2011, 07:08 PM
From the comment you made earlier you seem to be an FSU fan, so I'll forgive you for not knowing anything about USF and trying to talk like you actually do.
Lot of us FSU fans know much more about USF than some of the johnny-come-lately Bulls. Same goes for us Gators (yeah, I fit into both). USF does have some talent, and it gets progressively better year by year, but the fact is that Fly is right - they get the scraps or the transfers like Giddins. USF could make it to the Orange Bowl while FSU and UF vie for the Dr. Doug Stein No Laser/Scalpel Vasectomy Bowl yet if a blue-chipper gets a call from Muschamp or Fisher, they are rarely going to turn them down for Skip. They can load up in one class what it may take USF three years to assemble. It's not hate, just the way it is right now.
I give USF more respect than the people who think a couple of errant upsets make them king of the Florida hill (or close to it, because of an erratic quarterback, bad pregame nachos in Gainesville, global warming, etc.).
ChaseSpace
11-21-2011, 07:17 PM
Gators have more talent than LSU? Alabama? Arkansas? Georgia? South Carolina? They are on an even footing with MSU and Vandy and are a cut above the rest, but their talent is NOT up to par with the first five mentioned.
Mick Hubert thinks you are myopic.
I said one of the better, not the best. And I would replace Georgia with Florida on that list.
gatsby
11-21-2011, 07:18 PM
2012 recruiting is still in progress, so I'll use 2011 as the most recent statistic.
Rivals.com rankings for the top-50 schools has UCF at #39, which is good enough to be the top non-AQ conference school on the list. Also good enough to be the #3 class in the Big East, likely soon to be their new home. USF wasn't in the top-50, nor were FAU or FIU.
I value Rivals as much as I value some random guys "recruiting blog"
Indeed. To hell with Georgia. 7th hell at that. And then rot. While enduring SAT prep classes for eternity.
I saw a post on Stingtalk that ended with the phrase, "I hope you die in a fire," that was devoted to jorts wearing Dawg fan (funny thing, Dawg fan likes to make fun of Gator fan's love for jorts, but I've seen A LOT of Dawg fans in jorts, too).
I found the phrase, "I hope you die in a fire," adequately captures my hatred of the following things:
1. UGA
2. All Florida Panthers fan(s)
3. The Hockey's Future front office
Perhaps we should start a thread to canonize all things people hate enough to say, "I hope you die in a fire."
Maverick9911
11-21-2011, 09:31 PM
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/kat4gators/mullet.jpg
Death in a fire might be preferable for that guy.
Flycoon
11-21-2011, 10:26 PM
I said one of the better, not the best. And I would replace Georgia with Florida on that list.
Really? I suggest that you take a look at their records against common opponents and look at the personnel player by player at each position. Without the orange and blue colored glasses on.
Avery86
11-21-2011, 11:04 PM
I value Rivals as much as I value some random guys "recruiting blog"
Oh, okay. Didn't know you're an expert.
Flycoon
11-22-2011, 09:58 AM
Oh, okay. Didn't know you're an expert.
Learn something every day Avery.
ChaseSpace
11-22-2011, 12:56 PM
Really? I suggest that you take a look at their records against common opponents and look at the personnel player by player at each position. Without the orange and blue colored glasses on.
I have, I still rate Florida over Georgia. Florida is learning a new system, Georgia has been using the same one for awhile now. Florida has had better recruiting years than Georgia for the past few as well. Florida IS better than Georgia but they aren't quite clicking yet.
Sotnos
11-22-2011, 01:22 PM
USF could make it to the Orange Bowl while FSU and UF vie for the Dr. Doug Stein No Laser/Scalpel Vasectomy Bowl yet if a blue-chipper gets a call from Muschamp or Fisher, they are rarely going to turn them down for Skip. They can load up in one class what it may take USF three years to assemble. It's not hate, just the way it is right now.
Yep, and I don't see it changing anytime soon either!
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/kat4gators/mullet.jpg I keep seeing this guy in an icky GA bike jersey on the paths around town, but this tops it. My eyes. :(
Flycoon
11-22-2011, 04:31 PM
I have, I still rate Florida over Georgia. Florida is learning a new system, Georgia has been using the same one for awhile now. Florida has had better recruiting years than Georgia for the past few as well. Florida IS better than Georgia but they aren't quite clicking yet.
You know what they say; opinions are like assholes, everyones stinks but mine.
I've gone from disappointed to depressed to angry now that Urban's a .... a ... buckeye.
Flycoon
11-23-2011, 07:51 AM
I've gone from disappointed to depressed to angry now that Urban's a .... a ... buckeye.
Has this happened? Last I saw it was still in the rumor mill.
If he thinks the pressure was too much to handle in FL, wait until he gets a dose of Columbus. And the spread offense hasn't been a success in the Big Ten to date.
BurnTHalO
11-23-2011, 08:43 AM
Has this happened? Last I saw it was still in the rumor mill.
If he thinks the pressure was too much to handle in FL, wait until he gets a dose of Columbus. And the spread offense hasn't been a success in the Big Ten to date.
A big reason that Rich didn't work is because he refused to adapt his spread at all to handle the biger Big 10 lines/LBers. Urban strikes me as an adaptable guy. But it will be pressure.
I don't think it is official, though I believe I heard he has bought a house from one of the OSU alums (analyst at ESPN, Herstreit maybe?) in Columbus for what that is worth.
nutznboltz
11-23-2011, 10:51 AM
Did his health improve that much in less than a year that he's ready to step into that pressure cooker? I would be pissed if I was a Gators fan. The SEC is the pinnacle of college football (look at the BCS standings), yet Urban is ready to run away to a program that may get more sanctions and scholarship losses. I know he's an Ohio boy but he had all that he could have wanted here in Florida, the next step would have been the NFL, not a lateral, semi-backward move to Columbus.
The Great Zo
11-23-2011, 12:12 PM
Has this happened? Last I saw it was still in the rumor mill.
The Columbus Dispatch just confirmed it 60 seconds ago in a Blue Jackets chat session. Really. So there it is.
Sotnos
11-23-2011, 12:21 PM
The Columbus Dispatch just confirmed it 60 seconds ago in a Blue Jackets chat session. Really. So there it is.
:thumbdown: Slap in the face to the Gators IMO.
Maverick9911
11-23-2011, 12:51 PM
Hearing seven years, 40 million and he's raiding the Gators of several assistants.
Urban Liar, ladies and gents.
BurnTHalO
11-23-2011, 01:10 PM
Boy Michigan better beat OSU this year because if there is one thing about Urban, he turns every place he goes to completely around VERY quickly.
Wonder what the chances of setting up Florida/OSU in a bowl game this year would be (I believe their records are pretty similar).
Ugh.. Hard not to be bitter and look at it objectively. I really wonder how he will explain this.
Are you surprised? Everything I was hearing was that he was going to take the Penn State job over from Paterno before all hell broke loose there. It was never about his health or his kids. It was about his ego.
I think he realized, coaching-wise, he'd have a very hard time keeping up with Saban every year, especially after Tebow left. I think he knew, on balance, he might win 1 out of every 3 or 4 years, but Saban's going to have the upper hand more times than not, and I don't think he could take that. So, he ran. He ran to a conference where for the past decade there's been 1 dominant team (Ohio State) and everyone else where he thinks he can coach the 1 dominant team every year.
The deeply ironic thing is that the SEC LEast is so bad now that had he stayed at Florida he'd probably have been a lock for the SEC Championship Game for the next 3-4 years. Vandy and Kentucky will forever be terrible. Tennessee probably will have to switch coaches before they fully recover from the Lane Kiffin mess. And, Georgia and South Carolina are perenial underachievers. They're the Clemsons of the SEC.
I also don't believe the Big-10 will remain dominated by a single team now that it's a 2-division, 12+ team league. That has a way of producing parity. Look what happened to FSU and Miami in the ACC. Look what's happening in the Pac-12jillion. And, look at how it's always been in the SEC since they moved to the divisional format. The era of superconferences means the days of 1 team owning a conference for a decade are probably over, and every year there will be the possibility of someone from one of the big AQ conferences pulling an Auburn and coming out of nowhere to win a National Championship. And, in the superconferences, the penduluum will swing from one division to the other consistently over 3-5 year intervals.
NoSpin
11-25-2011, 02:11 PM
Mine eyes cannot unsee this.
ChaseSpace
11-25-2011, 02:18 PM
Sad to see USF lose but I was happy to see someone I went to school with score a touchdown(Welch)
gatsby
11-26-2011, 12:50 AM
Oh, okay. Didn't know you're an expert.
Rivals rankings don't mean shit. They are so subjective and mean almost nothing. Do these rankings mean UCLA or Notre Dame or UCF are going to be in contention every year? No. Look at Florida. It certainly helps and is a good place to check out video of high schoolers but it doesn't mean a goddamn thing. UCF will be losing scholarships soon so I'm pretty sure USF isn't going to be fighting for their scraps or anything like that. Rivals is ok but not the end all be all and definitely not worthy of determining success at the collegiate level. :coolwink:
Donnie D
11-27-2011, 02:17 PM
If Florida is real bummed out, they can rehire Ron Zook now that he is out at Illinois.
gatsby
12-01-2011, 11:51 PM
USF just finds any way they can to lose games. They had that game won. Ridiculous.
NoSpin
12-02-2011, 06:15 AM
USF just finds any way they can to lose games. They had that game won. Ridiculous.
You run it up the gut for three downs, let time run and kick the winning FG. Constant cracking under pressure is a direct reflection on the staff. Oh well, now this school has a long offseason to look at just how crappy our AD and assistant coaches are. That's the 3rd team to clinch part of the BE championship at Ray Jay in the last 2 years right?
I can't possibly imagine UNC still wants Holtz. He led us from being just a constant disappointment to the worst team in the worst BCS conference. He overacheived at the CUSA level, but has shown nothing so far at the BCS. If he leaves our program like this (and our recruiting class which is in complete shambles right now), he can go to hell.
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Just when you thought they found all the embarassing ways to lose. I'm sorry but it's not a talent issue when almost every loss is a close chokejob. Talent is what put them in the lead in the first place.
Maverick9911
12-03-2011, 03:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvrDrwxJhpg&feature=player_embedded
This. happened.
Maverick9911
12-08-2011, 05:18 PM
Bye, Charlie Weis. Don't let the docking bay door hit you on the way out.
Maverick9911
06-29-2012, 10:39 AM
Pete last September
Quote:
09-04-2011, 11:20 PM
pete
BP Staff
...they dismissed/disqualified their two most experienced tailbacks and put all their eggs in the Isiah Crowell basket (that kid's a dirtbag, he'll be in jail at some point in the next 10 years, btw).
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8111289
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/464/179/Georgia-Tech-cake_original_original.jpg?1340034888
We make certain sacrifices in on-field quality at Tech to avoid having a team filled with pieces of garbage off the field like UGA has.
http://www.ramblinwreck.com/genrel/062012aaa.html
Which is why I get to post a link like the one above and they have their star running back in jail.
http://friendsoftheprogram.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/crowelldog2.jpg
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