NCAA Week Two

[pete]

Watching Wisconsin thump Oregon State... is it just me or do Chris Spielman and Urban Meyer sound like they kind of hate each other?

[Maverick9911]

Once again Auburn is looked upon kindly by the Gods of Football.

I wonder if they got more than $180k out of the deal. :D

[RSchmitz]

Anybody know where I can find a live stream of USF versus Baylor?

[Maverick9911]

Hopefully this works
http://www.soccertvlive.net/watch/83073/1/watch-ball-st-vs-s.-florida.html

[NoSpin]

Cincy handed Tennessee a win. Not too many surprises today. Nice start for the Bulls.

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[pete]

Aaron Murray just cost Mark Richt his job with a stupid decision to try to throw the ball away with Clowney wrapped around him that turned into a scoop and score fumble to seal it for South Crackalack.

[NoSpin]

Aaron Murray just cost Mark Richt his job with a stupid decision to try to throw the ball away with Clowney wrapped around him that turned into a scoop and score fumble to seal it for South Crackalack.

Yup, just tuck it and go down.

And boy does Michigan suck.

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[Maverick9911]

This ND-Michigan game is unreal...WOW

[pete]

The ACC continues to suck wind in spite of itself.

Va Tech barely escapes ECU while Clemson feels lucky to edge mighty Wofford. North Carolina also escapes the clutches of the state college of New Jersey, and Virginia just barely defeats Big 10 powerhouse (in basketball, in the 80's) Indiana.

Boston College, meanwhile, gets absolutely destroyed by the class of the CUSA, George O'Leary and UCF 30-3. Remember just a few years ago when Matt Ryan was carving up opposing defenses like Thanksgiving turkeys? That program is finding rock bottom fast. And their former coach, Tom O'Brien, has demonstrated his brilliance in running Russell Wilson out of town, as evidenced by their loss to ACC powerhouse (in basketball, in the 90's) Wake Forest.

And Ga Tech smacked down a slightly better caliber of patsy in MTSU 49-21, in the process making me begin to believe Tevin Washington and Stephen Hill will give Tech a passing game this year (probably fool's gold, though). They look potent right now offensively and better/more athletic defensively (which isn't saying much).

So the ACC continues its life and death struggle with the Big East for the mantle of worst AQ conference. So far this year, it looks to me like each division will be a 2 team race (to the bottom?): FSU and Maryland in the Atlantic, and Va Tech and Ga Tech (maybe) in the Coastal.

I find it bizarre that every team in that league is so committed to keeping the conference intact the way it is without additions or deletions, because it's so desperately in need of a shake-up to try to raise it out of mediocrity. Were it my choice, the ACC would try to add UCF and Connecticut to the Atlantic Division and USF and West Virgina to the Coastal.

[pete]

This ND-Michigan game is unreal...WOW

Brady Hoke is a good coach, and he's already got an early, signature win with that comeback. It portends good things.

[NoSpin]

That ND/Michigan game was indeed crazy. If they keep turning the ball over like that Kelly won't be around much longer.

Your Week 2 AP poll
1 Oklahoma (32) 1-0 1441
2 Alabama (9) 2-0 1422
3 LSU (17) 2-0 1416
4 Boise State (2) 1-0 1309
5 Florida State 2-0 1194
6 Stanford 2-0 1161
7 Wisconsin 2-0 1091
8 Oklahoma State 2-0 1034
9 Texas A&M 1-0 1023
10 Nebraska 2-0 893
11 South Carolina 2-0 888
12 Oregon 1-1 848
13 Virginia Tech 2-0 830
14 Arkansas 2-0 768
15 Michigan State 2-0 598
16 Florida 2-0 511
17 Ohio State 2-0 461
18 West Virginia 2-0 419
19 Baylor 1-0 374
20 South Florida 2-0 347
21 Auburn 2-0 343
22 Arizona State 2-0 306
23 TCU 1-1 166
24 Texas 2-0 153
25 Mississippi State 1-1 128

[jaydeedub]

Wonder if UCF will be able to creep into the bottom there next week or in week 4 putting four Florida teams in the top 25.

[BurnTHalO]

Notre Dame/Michigan was one of the most exciting displays of terrible football you will ever see. Holy crap those teams are bad. Those last 2 minutes summed up the piss poor play the whole game. I mean, couple minutes left, UM scores, and then lets up a couple giant plays to give ND the lead. Like a minute left and UM on their own 20, so ND allows a guy to run wide open and like and 60 yard play. I was cringing watching that game.

Boy Bama got some nice calls from those refs in their game. No way they would lose to a Penn State team that for some reason keeps getting rankings when they aren't good, but some pretty terrible calls helped Bama along in that game.

I stand by thinking South Carolina is not good, and Saturday did little to change that thought. Good job by LSU following up a beating of Oregon with a drubbing of NW State. Sounded like they started pretty flat (probably hang over from the game last week), but that happens to good teams against lesser opponents. They key is they were able to turn it on.

[Avery86]

Wonder if UCF will be able to creep into the bottom there next week or in week 4 putting four Florida teams in the top 25.

They're beating the teams they're supposed to beat, and handily at that. Some of the bottom 25 teams can't even say that.

If UCF stomps FIU this weekend and bests Brigham Young the following, I'd bet on them making an appearance.

And as a UCF fan/alum, I can only hope they actually turn around and back it up the following week instead of taking a dump like last season.

[BurnTHalO]

They're beating the teams they're supposed to beat, and handily at that. Some of the bottom 25 teams can't even say that.

If UCF stomps FIU this weekend and bests Brigham Young the following, I'd bet on them making an appearance.

And as a UCF fan/alum, I can only hope they actually turn around and back it up the following week instead of taking a dump like last season.

I would have them over the likes of Texas.

[WaiverWire]

It sure is sweat seeing USF in the rankings and no Miami.

[Avery86]

I would have them over the likes of Texas.

Still makes me wish UCF had pulled off the win over Texas in their inaugural game in their new stadium back in 2007. Lost by three, and the game was closer than that.

[chad]

I have a ticket to USF's game Saturday night, but UF-hillbillies is the game I have to see every year. This is going to be difficult.

[gatsby]

They're beating the teams they're supposed to beat, and handily at that. Some of the bottom 25 teams can't even say that.

If UCF stomps FIU this weekend and bests Brigham Young the following, I'd bet on them making an appearance.

And as a UCF fan/alum, I can only hope they actually turn around and back it up the following week instead of taking a dump like last season.

UCiF

[RSchmitz]

I have a ticket to USF's game Saturday night, but UF-hillbillies is the game I have to see every year. This is going to be difficult.

That is why the good lord invented DVR

[chad]

Yes He did. However, I don't think there's any way to avoid the score until the end of the Bulls game.

I hate watching knowing the score.

[RSchmitz]

aww, yeah. If you don't even want to see the score then your probably boned. :)

[Avery86]

UCiF

?

[pete]

For the record, my guess is Kirby Smart will be Mark Richt's replacement at Georgia when the year ends.

[gatsby]

?

UCF and their fans always talk about if we would have beat this team or if we would have did this, we would have won. If, if, if, if

It's a dig by Bulls fans

[Maverick9911]

UCF and their fans always talk about if we would have beat this team or if we would have did this, we would have won. If, if, if, if

It's a dig by Bulls fans


Crap, I know zero UCF fans here but if you'd have mentioned that to me before today, I'd have sworn it was a USF motto with some of the stuff I hear lol

[RSchmitz]

If we had a kicker in 08, we would have been playing for the title game.

[NoSpin]

For the record, my guess is Kirby Smart will be Mark Richt's replacement at Georgia when the year ends.

Hmm, you're the first person I've heard bring up Smart as a replacement, very interesting.

On the UCF topic, as a soon to be USF alum I am conditioned to hate them, I try not to though :) . But people would be stupid to not acknowledge that they are a program that is looking very promising and will break through to the next level (AQ Conference) in the near future. Consider me left slightly unimpressed though with wins over BC and a severely depleted Georgia team last year.

I need to see more consistancy vs BCS foes before I would rank them in the top 25. That said, if they go 5-0 or 6-0, perhaps they deserve to.

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[pete]

He is from Georgia and used to be all-SEC for the Bulldogs. Richt actually tried to lure him to be d-coordinator, but I think he was smart enough to realize Richt only had a 50/50 shot of surviving the next few years and he'd be high on the list of potential replacements behind Muschamp.

[Maverick9911]

The details of the situation are very limited, but according to WTXL ABC 27 (Tallahassee) anchor Anne Imanuel, former Florida State head coach Bobby Bowden is set to make an “emotional” announcement regarding his health tomorrow on “Good Morning America”.

I swear to God, if this is all BS from ABC in an attempt to get viewers...

Stomach is turned over. Guess we'll know in a few hours.

[Sotnos]

This is what I found: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-09-12/bobby-bowden-prostate-cancer-treatment/50381396/1

[Avery86]

UCF and their fans always talk about if we would have beat this team or if we would have did this, we would have won. If, if, if, if

It's a dig by Bulls fans

:rolleyes:

[Avery86]

On the UCF topic, as a soon to be USF alum I am conditioned to hate them, I try not to though :) . But people would be stupid to not acknowledge that they are a program that is looking very promising and will break through to the next level (AQ Conference) in the near future. Consider me left slightly unimpressed though with wins over BC and a severely depleted Georgia team last year.

Depleted or not, they're still an SEC team. C-USA doesn't exactly usually do well against SEC teams.

BC isn't a huge win by any means (other than finally starting to beat AQ teams), but if they can keep it going, it'll be a good foundation to earn a ranking.

And, trust me, as a UCF fan? I'm ALWAYS skeptical of the team. Always. They seem to enjoy finding new and exciting ways to let me down year after year, last year excluded.

[pete]

As I mentioned, if I were ACC commish and I had to grab 4 teams to go to 16 to keep up with everyone else, I'd grab UCF and USF along with West Virginia and UCONN. And, if I lost a team to the SEC, for some reason, Rutgers would be the 5th team I'd pursue.

Would love to capture the Orlando and Tampa markets to go along with already holding the Miami market. Would love to capture UCONN's basketball program and have at least 2 programs sitting in ESPN's backyard and start to fix how isolated BC is. And I think an annual rivalry between Va Tech and WVU could be epic. Also imagine FSU and UCF going at it every year in the Atlantic and USF and Miami in the Coastal.

Rutgers is interesting because they're the closest FBS school to NYC, and their football staff obviously has ties to Miami. For some reason I think the Big 10 goes off the board to grab them and sticks them in the sane division as Notre Dame when the Irish finally join a conference so there's a Notre Dane game near NYC every year.

[Maverick9911]

If UCF and USF were brought into the fold, I'd want the ACC title game brought back to Tampa on a permanent basis. Enough of this Holy Charlotte, Mecca of all things ACC nonsense.

[BurnTHalO]

Rutgers is interesting because they're the closest FBS school to NYC, and their football staff obviously has ties to Miami. For some reason I think the Big 10 goes off the board to grab them and sticks them in the sane division as Notre Dame when the Irish finally join a conference so there's a Notre Dane game near NYC every year.

That's not off the board at all. There was a lot of talk Rutgers was coming to the Big 10 when Nebraska came in for that New York market. I'd say that is highly probable when they fold all college divisions into 4.

[ChaseSpace]

I think with the addition of Texas A&M the SEC may look to USF to balance out the divisions.

[Bolthed]

Florida would never allow that. There will be no teams added from this state. And I've heard the same thing about South Carolina and Georgia similarly blocking Clemson and GaTech. I've also heard that Swofford and Slive (the two commishes) have a good relationship that will prevent any poaching. Not sure that's true, but there are whispers that Missouri might want to follow Texas A&M to the SEC. Keep in mind that these musical chairs are always about money, and Mizzou has a decent grip on that St. Louis market.

[ChaseSpace]

Florida would never allow that. There will be no teams added from this state. And I've heard the same thing about South Carolina and Georgia similarly blocking Clemson and GaTech. I've also heard that Swofford and Slive (the two commishes) have a good relationship that will prevent any poaching. Not sure that's true, but there are whispers that Missouri might want to follow Texas A&M to the SEC. Keep in mind that these musical chairs are always about money, and Mizzou has a decent grip on that St. Louis market.

But with USF, GT, and Clemson becoming relevant in the football landscape don't you think the SEC commish would attempt to convince UF, South Carolina, and Georgia that their school can make more money if they don't block a by an in-state school?

[chad]

Florida would never allow that. There will be no teams added from this state. And I've heard the same thing about South Carolina and Georgia similarly blocking Clemson and GaTech. I've also heard that Swofford and Slive (the two commishes) have a good relationship that will prevent any poaching. Not sure that's true, but there are whispers that Missouri might want to follow Texas A&M to the SEC. Keep in mind that these musical chairs are always about money, and Mizzou has a decent grip on that St. Louis market.

Decent is a good word for it. A lot of that city is Illinoize fans. Most of KC is KU or K-State fans, too. MU does not have a huge following by any means. Their stadium isn't SEC worthy, either, IMO. Not the fanbase you'd think the only major school in a state that size would have.

[Avery86]

Decent is a good word for it. A lot of that city is Illinoize fans. Most of KC is KU or K-State fans, too. MU does not have a huge following by any means. Their stadium isn't SEC worthy, either, IMO. Not the fanbase you'd think the only major school in a state that size would have.

I've probably seen more Northwest Missouri fans around KC than I've seen MU fans.*

*This is quite possibly a large exaggeration.

[Donnie D]

If you examine it A & M only brings one thing to the Southeast conference. They aren't a power in football or basketball. The only thing they bring to the party is the only thing that counts - better TV ratings.

[gatsby]

When I drove through Missouri a few years ago, there were tons of Missouri football billboards and I saw lots of decals and license plates. Of course, they had a pretty good team then, too.

I really can't see USF getting into the SEC. Florida would never allow it for recruiting purposes and the potential for upsets. Not to mention they pretty much own all of central Florida.

[Maverick9911]

Florida would never allow that. There will be no teams added from this state

Agreed, insofar as the SEC is concerned. Florida has zero to gain by signing off on such a move. Aside from a segment of St. Pete and Orlando where FSU has a large presence, UF is a huge fixture in this area. It'd be like an early 90's Bucs home game if the Gators were ever to come to RJS in the regular season.

[pete]

If UCF and USF were brought into the fold, I'd want the ACC title game brought back to Tampa on a permanent basis. Enough of this Holy Charlotte, Mecca of all things ACC nonsense.

The problem is tickets didn't sell for crap in either Jacksonville or Tampa when the ACC Championship was there because neither FSU nor Miami ever made it to the championship game. GT versus Wake Forest was no draw in Tampa, for instance.

It might seem copy cat-ish, but I do think Atlanta would be the best place to hold the game because of the airport being a Delta hub and it being relatively easy to reach from all corners of the league.

Florida would never allow that. There will be no teams added from this state. And I've heard the same thing about South Carolina and Georgia similarly blocking Clemson and GaTech.

Georgia Tech doesn't want to go into the SEC because they won't lower their academic standards enough to be competitive in the SEC. They're not willing to end up being another Vanderbilt because of their requirement that their kids make grades. So, neither Tech nor UGA want Tech in the SEC.

Tech either stays in a 16 team ACC or moves to a 16 team Big 10, with the former being the heavy, heavy favorite at this time. Apparently, none of the 12 teams in the league want to leave or expand right now. I think they need to get serious about expansion, though, before the Big East starts doing something about it.

I think it would be easy to snag UCF, and if they talked one of USF or WVU to coming over, the other team would follow. The fly in the ointment, in my scenario, is UCONN, because of their deep ties to Big East basketball. I believe, however, the lure of a basketball conference that includes Duke, UNC, and UCONN in the first tier and schools like Wake and Maryland in the second tier might be intriguing enough for UCONN to make the jump. If there was one conference to leave the Big East for in basketball, I would think the ACC would be it, and I think having UCONN, Duke, and UNC playing 6 marquee games against each other each year plus the ACC tournament is a license to print money. UCONN versus Villanova or UCONN versus Syracuse is great basketball, but it doesn't have the sizzle of UCONN versus Duke or UCONN versus UNC, IMO.

If you examine it A & M only brings one thing to the Southeast conference. They aren't a power in football or basketball.

Have you seen Texas A&M recently? I too was very skeptical of A&M because it seemed to me to be a chicken spit move to run away from Texas and the Longhorn network rather than try to compete with them. But, then I watched their opener against SMU, and SMU's not a terrible team. A&M is as big, fast, and physical as most teams in the SEC West and they have an NFL caliber coach, obviously, in Sherman. They deserve their #9 ranking.

I believe Tony Barnhart was saying on the radio here a week or two ago that A&M will have the largest student body of any school in the SEC and, most of all, it finally brings the SEC brand to Texas where there are a lot of A&M alums in markets like Dallas and where the league will have a beachhead to tap more deeply into the huge well of high school talent they have there. I think adding A&M to the SEC is shrewd. The problem is, there is no real logical choice for team 14, 15, or 16. Were I the SEC, I'd probably try to go get Oklahoma to be 14 and make the Big 12 topple with Oklahoma State following to be 15 and see what shakes loose from there. Would Texas be willing to give up their Longhorn Network money then to join the SEC and have quality opposition? Probably not because their network deal is insane. My guess is Texas rounds up as many of the old SWC teams like SMU and Houston as they can in a new Big 12.

Then I think it gets a little thin on options from there for the SEC. There's been talk they'd try to add Missouri, obviously, and Pitt, although Pitt seems a better fit for an expanded Big 10. WVU, I think, fits with the culture and tradition of the SEC, but it doesn't yield much for the SEC money wise. Maybe Louisville? Kansas? Kansas State? With those three, they'd be trying to poach teams to burnish the basketball credentials of the league.

[pete]

Texas' Rivals website claims the ACC is trying to keep the SEC from poaching Va Tech and is trying to add Texas, UCONN, Syracuse, and Rutgers. Perhaps FSU and Miami would be upset if they tried to add UCF and USF?

[gatsby]

Or the ACC realizes they don't need the UCF/USF markets because they already have them in FSU and Miami fans living there

[TexasBolt]

Texas' Rivals website claims the ACC is trying to keep the SEC from poaching Va Tech and is trying to add Texas, UCONN, Syracuse, and Rutgers. Perhaps FSU and Miami would be upset if they tried to add UCF and USF?

Orangebloods.com is basically DeLoss Dodds's personal house organ. Not interested in anything he says.

[Maverick9911]

It might seem copy cat-ish, but I do think Atlanta would be the best place to hold the game because of the airport being a Delta hub and it being relatively easy to reach from all corners of the league.


That would work. I guess have the SEC title game at the Georgia Dome and the ACC matchup in Bobby Dodd? That'd be fun to have both Florida and FSU playing for titles in the same area, with a chance to see both depending on the scheduling.

[BurnTHalO]

Maybe someone can explain to me how Ohio State has 5 players suspended for 5 games selling their own things and 3 players suspended for over 2 games for taking gift baskets at a charity event which contained like $200 worth of stuff, yet Miami is getting 5 players back after being suspended one game when they took a ton of money along with prositutes? Yet people say Ohio State gets preferential treatement? I find myself just caring less and less about college football because of crap like this.

[Maverick9911]

yet Miami is getting 5 players back after being suspended one game when they took a ton of money along with prositutes?

I think most of the current players didn't take part in all of Hookerpalooza and their transgressions were minor in comparison to the former players. That's why regardless of what happens with Harris & Co. this year, the program as a whole will get something much more severe (and how Donna Shalala isn't applying for work at Home Depot right now boggles the mind).

[pete]

The problem is Bobby Dodd has smaller capacity and wouldn't be a neutral site if GT wins the Coastal. It's a quandry.

Of course, if the ACC adds Texas, you hold it in Cowboy Stadium every year, IMO, and proximity be damned.

[Maverick9911]

Sweet merciful crap, I'd get to go to Jerryworld (I'd stay in Austin or Denton, though). http://www.myemoticons.com/images/work-school/physical-labor/cowboy.gif

[BurnTHalO]

I think most of the current players didn't take part in all of Hookerpalooza and their transgressions were minor in comparison to the former players. That's why regardless of what happens with Harris & Co. this year, the program as a whole will get something much more severe (and how Donna Shalala isn't applying for work at Home Depot right now boggles the mind).

To compare, it would have to be less that $200 in gifts, and something tells me there is NO FREAKING WAY that is the case.

[Maverick9911]

I highly doubt that as well but I guess they couldn't get enough evidence.

That or they had trouble finding the fair market value of lap dances :D