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timothy

06-24-2010, 03:22 PM

Ok... I'll start a thread for 2010 Draft on Friday/Saturday.

BTW... Is anyone in the US televising the draft on cable/satellite? Not showing up on my NHL Network schedule (yet).

chad

06-24-2010, 03:28 PM

Should be on VS tomorrow and NHLNet on Saturday. Last I heard.

RSchmitz

06-24-2010, 03:41 PM

If the last week has been any indication, should be a lot of trade action. Hope the Lightning get involved, looking forward to some exciting new acquisitions.

chad

06-24-2010, 03:44 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if we came out of this with no deals. Yzerman just seems like the team to take things very, very slow.

Hoping for a couple, though.

Coldrice

06-24-2010, 11:46 PM

Should be on VS tomorrow and NHLNet on Saturday. Last I heard.

You are correct.

missK

06-25-2010, 06:27 AM

Friday
6pm Draft preview on NHLN
7pm NHL Entry Draft Round 1 on VERSUS
11pm NHL On The Fly: 2010 NHL Entry Draft Round 1 Review on NHLN

Saturday
1pm NHL Entry Draft: Rounds 2-7 on NHLN

cromag

06-25-2010, 07:29 AM

Thank God for draft day :happydance:

chad

06-25-2010, 08:24 AM

Our chat will be open.... just a reminder.

PEIBolt

06-25-2010, 09:10 AM

Folks up here on Prince Edward Island following the draft very closely tonight. In terms of Islanders taken in the draft, our highest pick was 1979 when the Hawks (I think) selected Rick Vaive fifth overall.
Tonight, all eyes are on Murray River defenceman (Moncton Wildcats, QMJHL) Brandon Gormley is expected to go high. He's ranked sixth among North American skaters which, ironically, puts him in Tampa's sights.
Everyone up here would love to see him go to the Lightning, just like Richie did in 1998.
'Canes GM Jim Rutherford told the local media this week that he thought Gormley could go higher. Comparisons have been made to Lidstrom.
Gormley is a guy you don't really notice on the ice because he does just about everything right. Very steady on the blue-line.
Heck, he even sounds identical to Richie when doing interviews.
For anybody that cares, Gormley and Richie are, essentially, from the same P.E.I. community.
Richie is from Murray Harbour while Gormley hails from Murray River. Two communities are side by side but, up here, you dare not get them mixed up.

bc_bolts

06-25-2010, 10:06 AM

Thank God for draft day :happydance:

I love draft day! Brings so much hope for the future....

the_narrow_way

06-25-2010, 10:13 AM

I'm kinda more hyped by opening night. Just saying... ;)

Bolthed

06-25-2010, 10:36 AM

I'd like to see at least ONE trade. I mean, we've got so, so many trade options with a number of players, plenty of needs, some depth. I won't be disappointed if there are no trades, but I have to think Yzerman will have a few offers to chew on.

chad

06-25-2010, 11:02 AM

I have a feeling SY will make Feaster look like a minor league Pokemon player.

I think he goes simple and conservative. Maybe makes one trade to move back to acquire more picks - that's it.

My prediction for our pick:

Someone trades up to 4, but more likely 5, and takes Campbell or Connolly. Most likely Campbell for a trade-up. That drops Fowler or Gormley to us, and we walk up, announce the pick, and get off stage. Little drama.

The only drama will happen if all dmen go 3-4-5, but I think there's a better chance Connolly or Campbell goes to someone at 5. If that does happen, I expect us to take Connolly, not Campbell, and I'd doubt we trade back though I'd be in favor of it.

RSchmitz

06-25-2010, 11:06 AM

If we don't trade down with Gormley off the board I will be sad

jason_haas

06-25-2010, 11:18 AM

If anyone's interested, I drew up my own mock (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=399526585884) based on discussions we've all had here and my own views. (Facebook login required but the note isn't private)

CTLightning26

06-25-2010, 11:39 AM

No way i want Connolly..

I'll take Nino...
if we cant move down..

Bolthed

06-25-2010, 11:39 AM

I've read the Blackhawks are very interested in goalie Jack Campbell and have spent extra time talking to him, but he could go as high as No. 6 to us.

So my question is what would it take for the Hawks to deal for our pick? Versteeg and a pick or two? They have five picks in the first two rounds -- Nos. 24, 30, 43, 54 and 60.

Maybe we could throw in Smaby or Walker for another pick. Could be something to look for.

chad

06-25-2010, 11:43 AM

I may change my prediction...

Was just watching TSN's mock draft broadcast and apparently Yzerman was really talking up Johansen to Duthie. Duthie said Yzerman had "tons of praise" for Ryan, and that his development in Portland was "off the scale."

Craig Button picked Johansen over Fowler at TB's slot, saying Johansen was a complete forward and very much like Yzerman.

They had Connolly going at 4, Gormley 5, Fowler 7, Campbell 8 to Atlanta, Nino 9, Skinner 12 to Anaheim.

Patrick

06-25-2010, 11:51 AM

http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=532737

Coyotes trying to move up from 13.

As of this writing, the Coyotes own the following overall selections: 13, 22, 52, 113 and 138. But don’t be surprised if things change quickly because the Coyotes have their eye on a player who likely won’t be available when they first pick at No. 13. I’m told they are listening to offers to move up to the No. 8 or No. 9 spot and may be willing to part with the 22nd overall pick and/or a young player in the system to do that. We shall see.

timothy

06-25-2010, 11:52 AM

They had Connolly going at 4, Gormley 5, Fowler 7, Campbell 8 to Atlanta, Nino 9, Skinner 12 to Anaheim.

No way Dudley passes on Campbell at #8 if he's there. IF Dudley still has the #8 later tonight!

CTLightning26

06-25-2010, 12:05 PM

Would probably take 13, 22 and 52 for 6 and 66.

After the draft, the crowd can head over to Hollywood Park for racing and a free concert from the immortal Flock of Seagulls

astro

06-25-2010, 12:09 PM

After the draft, the crowd can head over to Hollywood Park for racing and a free concert from the immortal Flock of Seagulls

Think that I will pass on that.

Should be an interesting draft. I am heading out towards Staples before 1 pm. They have some events across the street. Then, at 2, they are letting people in and they will have the Stanley Cup and other trophies on display. It's going to be a good time. I didn't print up a prospects list, hopefully they will have something there.

timothy

06-25-2010, 12:16 PM

Loved hanging out at the draft (both days) when it was here in Nashville the year Feaster traded down and snagged Egener and Smaby and traded for Cory Stillman.

I wish I could attend every draft.

jason_haas

06-25-2010, 12:19 PM

I'd definitely like to attend one some day, though the JLA probably won't see one soon. Build the new arena, Illitch!

timothy

06-25-2010, 12:22 PM

Would probably take 13, 22 and 52 for 6 and 66.

I'm pretty sure that player PHX has their eye on is Jack Campbell. I like moving the #6 and #66 for that package of the three picks -- with big downside that the #13 is probably outside getting Johansen, Connolly, or Nino. Best case scenario, you might get either Skinner or Granlund. Not bad... but both of those guys could be gone by #13 and you're stuck with Forbert or taking a chance on a Tarasenko or Burmistrov.

#13 is just a little low for me -- I think you'd need to be more of a gambler GM like Snow or Dudley to do it, and I think Yzerman's a bit too conservative to trade down that far. Sounds like Yzerman has a hard spot for Johansen and he'll let ATL deal off the #8 instead.

pete

06-25-2010, 12:25 PM

I told you guys, no one's been talking about Johansen, but he's the guy I've been thinking we'd pick.

aapbolt

06-25-2010, 01:12 PM

Pete do you think Johansen would be ready to join the big club or would he have to go to his junior team or to Norfolk?

CTLightning26

06-25-2010, 01:12 PM

I'm pretty sure that player PHX has their eye on is Jack Campbell. I like moving the #6 and #66 for that package of the three picks -- with big downside that the #13 is probably outside getting Johansen, Connolly, or Nino. Best case scenario, you might get either Skinner or Granlund. Not bad... but both of those guys could be gone by #13 and you're stuck with Forbert or taking a chance on a Tarasenko or Burmistrov.

#13 is just a little low for me -- I think you'd need to be more of a gambler GM like Snow or Dudley to do it, and I think Yzerman's a bit too conservative to trade down that far. Sounds like Yzerman has a hard spot for Johansen and he'll let ATL deal off the #8 instead.

right and Yzerman said he could move down, but not too far..

CTLightning26

06-25-2010, 01:13 PM

I told you guys, no one's been talking about Johansen, but he's the guy I've been thinking we'd pick.

It might just come down to Gormley or Johansen -- whoever is left..

chad

06-25-2010, 01:18 PM

Pete do you think Johansen would be ready to join the big club or would he have to go to his junior team or to Norfolk?

I'm not Pete, but no question he goes back. SY said yesterday this pick won't be in the NHL next season and could be 2-3 years away (TIMES).

Donnie D

06-25-2010, 01:39 PM

Trader dud loves multi team deals so it could be a Phoenix gets Tampa. Tampa gets Atlanta's pick and Atlanta moves to Phoenix. Dud wouldn't care what he got out of the deal but he could feed the ego.

RSchmitz

06-25-2010, 01:50 PM

Moving to 8 would be perfect if Gormley is gone, or getting a couple of late firsts from phoenix

timothy

06-25-2010, 02:16 PM

Trader dud loves multi team deals so it could be a Phoenix gets Tampa. Tampa gets Atlanta's pick and Atlanta moves to Phoenix. Dud wouldn't care what he got out of the deal but he could feed the ego.

Yeah... but that seems more of a Lawton deal than an Yzerman deal. We really have no idea how aggressive or conservative Stevie will be in his first seat as the GM. Odds are (and I agree with Chad) that he'll play it conservative.

But.... Feaster's (who I consider to be a very conservative GM) traded away the #4 overall for Fedotenko, et. al. in his first real act in the big seat.

It is tonight already??

aapbolt

06-25-2010, 02:24 PM

thanks Chad, I respect your opinion very highly also.

chad

06-25-2010, 02:41 PM

Yeah... but that seems more of a Lawton deal than an Yzerman deal. We really have no idea how aggressive or conservative Stevie will be in his first seat as the GM. Odds are (and I agree with Chad) that he'll play it conservative.

But.... Feaster's (who I consider to be a very conservative GM) traded away the #4 overall for Fedotenko, et. al. in his first real act in the big seat.

It is tonight already??

True... but Feaster also wanted to prove his words were not just talk when he said he wanted to improve the NHL team NOW. Steve hasn't really said that. He's emphasized the process, which leads me to believe he makes all his picks and doesn't stray off the path.

chad

06-25-2010, 02:48 PM

On another note, I just watched all 47 minutes of the "Oil Change" show currently on TSN.ca's video lineup. Very interesting.

Around the 35 minute mark they have cameras in the scout meetings where they talk about everyone BUT Hall/Seguin. They initially went after comparing Fowler and Gudbranson matched up with no Gormley in there. One guy really liked Fowler, but said he'd be running your second power play. I found that a little odd. He also said he was a poor man's Lidstrom. The guys in the room that liked Gudbranson really liked him. From him meanness to his character to his shot.

What I also found interesting was they started talking about a kid who "had there been another month of the season may be going at No.2." Also talked about this player's team-first attitude and how he does everything for his team.

I can only think of two strong risers - Skinner and Johansen. Most likely, IMO, they're talking about Skinner as he finished the strongest, but that could be my homer side kicking in.

They then talked about trading into that area to get that player, too, and yes, they would do that. But they started talking about no.15. Unless they have Skinner WAY down like CSS and THN there, it may not be either guy.

A tweet just said EDM talked to BOS about acquiring the No.2 TOO, so I wonder if EDM still hasn't made up their minds.

It was definitely fun listening to them compare the two.

One guy said he had a certain opinion of Hall before talking to him, and his passion for the game changed his opinion. That's my thinking also - the first part. Compared to Seguin, who's Tebow-like media ready already, Hall looks a bit out of it. Seguin seems much more intelligent and likable and marketable.

I really don't know what I'd do if I was Edm. Boston has the easiest job in the world tonight. Just say "Thank you Edmonton" and move on.

chad

06-25-2010, 03:00 PM

The REAL question tonight...

Does Yzerman give a shoutout to Barnacles.

timothy

06-25-2010, 03:08 PM

The REAL question tonight...

Does Yzerman give a shoutout to Barnacles.

It'd be the shit if he gave a shoutout to BoltProspects -- but he better not give a shoutout to BP, as most of the world would think he was shouting out to British Petroleum :ohmy:

aapbolt

06-25-2010, 03:13 PM

How funny Tim:coolwink:

Sotnos

06-25-2010, 04:24 PM

Should throw this in here re: the chat - all you need is to sign up for an account, pretty sure it doesn't even have to be approved for you to get in (so it's basically instant). So if any browsers decide to get involved just sign up & click Flashchat at the top of any screen and you're set.

chad

06-25-2010, 04:41 PM

Saw another tweet where Millard says Tampa will end up with Gudbranson. These are all contradicting each other.

At this point, from what we know...

Gudbranson to Florida at 3
Gormley to Columbus at 4
NYI willing to move back, allowing a team to either take Fowler, Connolly or Campbell.

Lightning may get to choose between Fowler or Johansen.

Which one would you take?

One of the questions asked in the Oilers scout meeting was "Do we have anyone like Gudbranson in the system?" They himmed and hawed and eventually when pressed, said "no."

So I ask... do we have a Fowler in the system? Even close?
Do we have a Johansen in the system? I don't believe so either.

Another comment from the scouts was "you can never have enough centers." We have hardly any in the system beyond Wright - and he's more of a checking liner.

Conclusion: Either pick would be fine. I think Fowler may fit more of an organizational need going forward. We have 2 centers locked up. We are weak on future D.

chad

06-25-2010, 04:45 PM

Re: CHAT...

Gotta take the wife to the airport in this horrendously designed city. I hope to be back in time for Tampa's pick.

cromag

06-25-2010, 04:59 PM

I told you guys, no one's been talking about Johansen, but he's the guy I've been thinking we'd pick.

As much as Yzerman has kept his intentions close to the vest, I wonder if that wasn't a smoke screen?

Hope not though, I like Johansen.

Lightning may get to choose between Fowler or Johansen.

Which one would you take?

Johansen.

Matt

06-25-2010, 05:14 PM

On another note, I just watched all 47 minutes of the "Oil Change" show currently on TSN.ca's video lineup. Very interesting.

That was a great show, it'd be great if they did that for every team picking 1st. NHL's production company did something like that with the Blues in 07, the year after they took EJ.

Donnie D

06-25-2010, 06:43 PM

Re: CHAT...

Gotta take the wife to the airport in this horrendously designed city. I hope to be back in time for Tampa's pick.

unfortunately it doesn't appear that you can get the chat on a iPhone. So I'm kind of clueless in Seattle.

gwf82

06-25-2010, 06:47 PM

unfortunately it doesn't appear that you can get the chat on a iPhone. So I'm kind of clueless in Seattle.

This picture explains it all :)

http://antoniofarinha.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/flash-is-missing.jpg

Sotnos

06-25-2010, 06:57 PM

Donnie:
Hall
Seguin
Gudbrandson
Johanssen (!)
Niedereitter

so far

Donnie D

06-25-2010, 07:00 PM

Donnie:
Hall
Seguin
Gudbrandson
Johanssen (!)
Niedereitter

so far

Thank you. I've been trying to follow elsewhere. You all are the best.

Evan

06-25-2010, 07:03 PM

suprise!

Donnie D

06-25-2010, 07:03 PM

Not happy now

Sotnos

06-25-2010, 07:09 PM

It's a "to hell with the rankings" kind of night. :)

Donnie D

06-25-2010, 07:14 PM

So what's the feeling in the chat room

Sotnos

06-25-2010, 07:18 PM

So what's the feeling in the chat room
Surprise more than anything & some disappointment

Sotnos

06-25-2010, 07:20 PM

Skinner to Carolina

Duds finally got off the phone to pick Burmistrov

I can keep posting if it helps Donnie!

Donnie D

06-25-2010, 07:25 PM

Better stop. The wife might shoot me if I keep looking at my iPhone during dinner.

SmittyFan1

06-25-2010, 08:20 PM

WaiverWire

06-25-2010, 08:44 PM

Well the draft turned out to be a bust. I don't like the pick IMO. They didn't address a team need and it will come back to bite us in the ass. Again IMO I am pissed and would someone care to tell me what we have to look forward from this pick? I am all ears/eyes.

i think you have to wait and see how this all plays out. We have no idea as to what the Gm has in mind for the team this year or for the future other than he wants to move slow, and build from within which takes time. He is not looking to play for it all for several years........but when we are he expects us to be more than a one year wonder. This makes me happy.

timothy

06-25-2010, 08:55 PM

Well the draft turned out to be a bust. I don't like the pick IMO. They didn't address a team need and it will come back to bite us in the ass. Again IMO I am pissed and would someone care to tell me what we have to look forward from this pick? I am all ears/eyes.

They may have addressed a team need when MSL retires when Connolly is ready to play in the NHL in 3-4 years.

SmittyFan1

06-25-2010, 09:34 PM

They may have addressed a team need when MSL retires when Connolly is ready to play in the NHL in 3-4 years.

If his surgically repaired hips stand up to getting pounded by men instead of boys he played against in the juniors. Thank you guys for your input and not bash me for not liking this pick at all when other areas needed to be addressed.

timothy

06-25-2010, 09:39 PM

Pete doesn't like the pick either.

pete

06-25-2010, 09:48 PM

Pete's scared crapless by this pick. I see three red flags. 1.) The hips. 2.) His hand has structural problems according to MacKenzie. That's new news to me. 3.) He looked awful in his interview after being picked. Looked bored and annoyed to be there. He's got a knock for not being a passionate player to begin with. I honestly was wondering, watching that, does he love hockey? Is he burned out on the sport a bit already?

If you're going to make a home run cut, why not Tarasenko with one red flag instead of a guy with three? Just my 2 cents. Holding my breath. He's a 50/50 proposition. Hoping for Patrick Marleau. Expecting a part time player like Tim Connolly.

SmittyFan1

06-25-2010, 10:23 PM

cromag

06-25-2010, 10:30 PM

Pete's scared crapless by this pick. I see three red flags. 1.) The hips.

Just have to hope Yzerman and co. did their homework on his hip issues. From what I've read it could've just been an issue where proper conditioning/injury prevention (i.e. stretching) was the issue.

2.) His hand has structural problems according to MacKenzie. That's new news to me.

Don't think it will be an issue. It happened when he was a young child and it has yet to be an issue playing hockey. For further evidence, he finished 9th in the push strength, and 7th in the pull strength at the combine.

3.) He looked awful in his interview after being picked. Looked bored and annoyed to be there. He's got a knock for not being a passionate player to begin with. I honestly was wondering, watching that, does he love hockey? Is he burned out on the sport a bit already?

I thought he just seemed serious. And honestly, maybe a bit irritated at the injury questions.

Haven't heard anything about his knock for not being a passionate hockey player. Where was that from?

WaiverWire

06-25-2010, 10:34 PM

The thing that concerned me was that he refused an MRI when requested.

I took his interview to be a little cocky.

RSchmitz

06-25-2010, 11:03 PM

He looked like he didn't give a crap and had better things to do. Was hoping for some jubilation, especially being picked 6th when he could have gone much lower. Tarasenko went 16th and he looked about as happy as you could get.

pete

06-25-2010, 11:47 PM

Chad, Tim, and I reviewed all the interview footage we could find of Connolly, he's the exact same way in every interview. The guy doesn't smile. Seriously, we're not sure Connolly is capable of smiling. He comes across as very, very standoffish and aloof.

Mind you, the halls of fame of all major sports are filled with athletes who, frankly, were jerks. It's not a prerequisite that you have to be a people person to be a great player. But, damn. Spit out the gum when you give the post-draft press conference. Act like you're legitimately happy to be a top-ten pick in the draft. SMILE. BE GRACIOUS. Who is this guy's agent that he was this ill prepared? The kid seems like he needs a life coach, or possibly a really good ass whipping. One of the two.

I wish Torts was still here. He'd have Connolly peeing himself with humility by the second day of training camp.

cromag

06-26-2010, 03:39 AM

bassassin

06-26-2010, 05:24 AM

I would seriously love for the Lightning to move into the second round somehow and grab McFarland today. He tore up the scouting combine, ala Carter Ashton last year. Mike Foligno, his coach in Sudbury, used him in all situations on the ice and I think his learning to play a more defensive game hurt his offensive numbers some, but the kid just seems like he would be a steal much like Connolly could end up being because he has the "world class" speed and skill Yzerman is looking for.

I want them to stay away from McFarland, I mean given how much Vinny gets ripped into for not being a self starter you want to pick a player who hasnt shown as much heart as Vinny even, combine that with much less talent AND consistency issues as well?

The Great Zo

06-26-2010, 06:03 AM

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/jun/25/lightning-select-rw-brett-connolly-no-6-pick-nhl-d/sports-lightning/

Photo caption: Taylor Connolly, 18, played for the Prince George Cougars of the WHL the last three seasons.

WaiverWire

06-26-2010, 06:27 AM

CTLightning26

06-26-2010, 06:49 AM

The thing that concerned me was that he refused an MRI when requested.
.

that was probably just his agent being over-protective...plus, if he let one team do it, they would all want to do them...
as long as the lightning talked to the doctors or saw the reports from them and consulted their own, i dont care about the MRIs

WaiverWire

06-26-2010, 07:25 AM

My understanding is that he has not even had one done and thus his doctors could not say what the results were.

CTLightning26

06-26-2010, 07:47 AM

plus, they said it was muscular, not structural..

Honestly, i still would have picked Gormley though

Sean

06-26-2010, 07:56 AM

I fully trust that Yzerman is not a moron and took his injuries into full consideration. He must have seen something there that told him this wasn't a future problem.

Top Shelf

06-26-2010, 07:57 AM

Well, if'n this isn't a fine howdy-do. Yzerman's very first move in his new career has the whole BP board (or at least the ones who, unlike yours truly, know what they're talking about w/regard to prospects) second-guessing the new GM's decision making already.

Welcome to Tampa Bay, Stevie Y...welcome to Tampa Bay. :coolwink:

Let's see what shakes out in the rest of the draft...I'll be at work and then at the Dubliner for the next best thing to USA Olympic hockey. If all goes well, it's "Hey Ghana...yer gonna...be gone-a"

chad

06-26-2010, 08:13 AM

Time to add "Brett Connolly's Gum" to the BP folklore showing up under usernames.

or "Brad Connolly's Gum"

or Taylor.

cromag

06-26-2010, 08:59 AM

I want them to stay away from McFarland, I mean given how much Vinny gets ripped into for not being a self starter you want to pick a player who hasnt shown as much heart as Vinny even, combine that with much less talent AND consistency issues as well?

“John has worked very hard this season on becoming a two-way player. John is one of the fastest skaters in the league. He also possesses one of the hardest wrist shots in the league. The attributes make him a very dangerous player. But what will make him a dangerous NHL player is the ability to use these skills to create offense and also being a contributing factor in his defensive zone. John has really started to contribute in the defensive zone and also has been one of our top penalty killers. John is also a very physical player and not afraid to initiate contact. He has the hockey sense of an NHL player and plays better with better players around him. He strives to be the best player on the ice.”
- Sudbury Wolves head coach Mike Foligno

Not sure where all the no heart, no consistency, less-talent stuff is coming from?

I would buy that he under-produced according to what was expected from him, but his numbers where similar to Ashton who was a first round pick. By all accounts, McFarland has a MUCH higher ceiling than Carter.

I trust Yzerman and Boucher could get the best out of him.

Sotnos

06-26-2010, 09:00 AM

I fully trust that Yzerman is not a moron and took his injuries into full consideration. He must have seen something there that told him this wasn't a future problem.
:thumb:

Hoek

06-26-2010, 09:39 AM

Trib article (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/jun/25/lightning-select-rw-brett-connolly-no-6-pick-nhl-d/sports-lightning/)

"It was just a little bit of an unlucky year, it was a freak accident and it's something that's behind me. I'm looking forward to showing people what I can do in Tampa and looking forward to (putting) it behind me," Connolly said. "When I was younger, I was never the most flexible guy and I've played a lot of hockey over the years and I think that caught up to me a little bit. It's something (stretching) that I have to put into my routine, something I'll have to do every day."

Sounds like part of it was conditioning.

pete

06-26-2010, 09:42 AM

I hope stretching exercises will get him to the point where he can play a solid 70+ games a season for us. I think if he plays, he'll put up numbers and the pick won't be a total bust, regardless of his apparent charming personality.

astro

06-26-2010, 09:55 AM

It was killing me not knowing what you guys were saying about the Connolly pick (damn Iphone). I'm not surprised, nor disappointed with the pick. As long as he is healthy, he could be a steal at number 6. At least, I will be able to see him play twice against the Thunderbirds.

I'm surprised that Calvin Pickard didn't go in the first round. More surprised that two, not one goaltenders were picked before him. I feel bad for him. At the last game of the season, the team announcer was boasting that he was going to be a first round pick and it didn't happen.

There were a lot of people there rooting for Edmonton. I got to talk to one of them for most of the draft. Overall, the draft was very slow and went long. The sound system was horrible for a third of the draft. Those in the nosebleed section could barely hear anything. It was interesting to see. I forgot the kid's name, but yesterday was his birthday and we all starting singing happy birthday to him. Good to see Etem, the local kid, get drafted .. to bad it was the Ducks, but at least he is close to home.

Donnie D

06-26-2010, 10:00 AM

It was killing me not knowing what you guys were saying about the Connolly pick (damn Iphone).home.

this

CupChamps2004

06-26-2010, 10:04 AM

Maybe just shy. Maybe just dull in interviews - OK by me, only care about job on ice. Do good there, don't care about off ice personality (or nervous gum chewing).

pete

06-26-2010, 10:04 AM

It wasn't nerves. The kid thinks he's god's gift.

Sotnos

06-26-2010, 10:06 AM

Sounds like part of it was conditioning.
From what I've read he tried to play through one hip strain & it led to one on the other side. Nothing structurally wrong with him (unlike Forsberg, the comparison that keeps coming up), hopefully he'll get on a good training/conditioning regimen.

It also sounds like he is very quiet, serious and never smiles in public; his handlers might want to work on that though he's hardly the only one. Every other interview I've read he comes off a lot more normal & intelligent than what we saw last night though, that's for sure.

jason_haas

06-26-2010, 10:18 AM

From what I've read he tried to play through one hip strain & it led to one on the other side. Nothing structurally wrong with him (unlike Forsberg, the comparison that keeps coming up), hopefully he'll get on a good training/conditioning regimen.

It also sounds like he is very quiet, serious and never smiles in public; his handlers might want to work on that though he's hardly the only one. Every other interview I've read he comes off a lot more normal & intelligent than what we saw last night though, that's for sure.

The guy should do yoga...it's part of P90X and it's probably the hardest routine, honestly.

cromag

06-26-2010, 10:21 AM

The guy should do yoga...it's part of P90X and it's probably the hardest routine, honestly.

Jim Hammett already said they were putting him on a Yoga routine.

Hoek

06-26-2010, 10:27 AM

CTLightning26

06-26-2010, 10:30 AM

While I was a bit offput I wouldn't necessarily worry about his attitude there. Not everyone is a Stamkos, and most guys that age are just awkward. Downie certainly doesn't come off as an enthusiastic type in front of camera either.

this...

I think we're spoiled by Stamkos and Hedman, and others..

CupChamps2004

06-26-2010, 10:30 AM

It wasn't nerves. The kid thinks he's god's gift.

I don't know him so can't say but still don't give damn about personality if plays well for TBL.

Or maybe everyone wrong about Yzerman being ready to be GM if pick so obviously bad?

CupChamps2004

06-26-2010, 10:31 AM

Downie certainly doesn't come off as an enthusiastic type in front of camera either.

Brad Richards, either, & turned out to be pretty good player. :D

pete

06-26-2010, 10:37 AM

Downie certainly doesn't come off as an enthusiastic type in front of camera either.

Downie has a hearing disability that explains it away. If you've ever been around people with hearing disabilities, they tend to be a bit shy and when they speak they lack the natural intonation someone with normal hearing has.

But it's not shyness. Nothing about his interview indicated he was shy. There was a sense of entitlement in the way he spoke. Chad mentioned that being from the PG area and playing junior there, Connolly is probably treated like a rock star, and probably therefore thinks he's a rock star. Chad mentioned the best thing for him may be to move to another junior team in the WHL where he gets treated like just another player.

pete

06-26-2010, 10:37 AM

Brad Richards, either, & turned out to be pretty good player.

Those PEI kids ooze humility, though. Connolly wouldn't last a day on the boat with the Richards family.

The Great Zo

06-26-2010, 10:42 AM

Or maybe everyone wrong about Yzerman being ready to be GM if pick so obviously bad?

Yzerman isn't the man most responsible for the pick.

Hoek

06-26-2010, 10:46 AM

I always forget that about Downie. :doh:

It's true I didn't sense humility. He sounded like he felt a bit vindicated by not sliding down as far as everyone was expecting. Perhaps tired of the speculation and the media already. Surely they must have seen a different side of him in the private interview.

Sotnos

06-26-2010, 11:03 AM

It's true I didn't sense humility.Neither did I, but I didn't sense the obnoxiousness that some apparently did either, mostly I just noticed the gum chewing. Regardless, unless someone here knows him well, some of this supposed "certainty" about his personality is coming off as armchair analysis. Going by what some scouts said about Hall as an example...you get one impression of a kid from interviews, but 1-on-1 is a totally different story.

A lot of people north of the border read plenty into the fact that Stammer didn't jump up & down with joy and gave a very PC answer when we won the draft lottery...a few years later that doesn't mean much.

chad

06-26-2010, 11:06 AM

Surely they must have seen a different side of him in the private interview.

Yzerman sat in on the last interview. I really can't see Yzerman of all people, choosing to take the kid if he saw a major character/chemistry flaw.

I think it's as simple as he's hot-headed and full of himself and needs his agent to teach him how to do interviews. If it was one interview, fine, no big deal. We watched 4-5 last night.

That said, I don't mind the pick at all.

At least know how to turn it on for the cameras.

Coldrice

06-26-2010, 11:22 AM

OK... I can honestly say I lost sleep over this pick... not because I'm totally disappointed. Just I immediately tried getting to work on some research on some things which kept me up till 4:15 this morning. His initial demeanor was very unsettling so of course I'm trying to find rhyme or reason as to why instead of automatically assuming he's a "Hot Shot".

I played back the entire sequence leading up to the selection. This is what I noticed.

* First (OT), I'm surprised none of us in chat brought up who was sitting at the draft table for the Lightning. I didn't pay attention to it till later on but here's who I saw at the table (maybe some of you can fill in the unknowns)

Mr. Vinik
SY
Tom Kurvers
Hammett
Plandowski
Verbeek
Mikael Andersson(?)
Guy Boucher
Charlie Hodge
Rick Wilson(?)
Daniel Lacroix(?)

A lot of the "old guard" was noticeably... absent. But as long as Hammett and Plandowski were there, I'm good with that.

Anyway...

When they panned the camera into the stands, I noticed his entire family showed no emotion at all. His father was stoic, his mother seemed "concerned", not sure if the girl to Brett's left is his girlfriend or family but seemed a little excited. His brother seemed excited... who was also chomping what appeared to be a whole pack of "5" at once. But hey, so was Tom Kurvers, Pat Verbeek, John McFarland, 17 ushers, and countless other team personnel. Must be trying to get their ears to pop from all the air travel. Maybe they all attended the "Terry Francona how to chew gum while on camera" clinic +. Who knows.

I want to think that maybe everyone in his camp, including himself, is just disappointed because they had high hopes that he would be going to a team that would allow him to crack the roster sooner than the expectation is with the Lightning. Being told he could be years away from making the big club could be a deflator that's felt across the board. I don't know. Like I said, I'm just looking for a reason other than he's an arrogant kid. But the same can be said too for hundreds of kids selected over the years, so...

that was probably just his agent being over-protective...

I can see that, yes.

Who is this guy's agent that he was this ill prepared? The kid seems like he needs a life coach, or possibly a really good ass whipping. One of the two.

You ask, I provide.

Gerry Johannson's Resume
*12 years as an agent with The Sports Corporation (Firm partners Rich Winter and Steve Kotlowitz)
*Played for Swift Current
*Defenseman drafted by the Habs #95 overall in the 1984 Draft. Never played in the NHL.

Clients (Besides Connolly)
Dustin Penner
Milan Lucic
Johnny Boychuk
Jamie Lundmark
Scottie Upshall
Brent Seabrook
Carey Price
Mark Fistric
Ryan Getzlaf
Braydon Coburn
and...

Mez.

Interesting article(s)

This is a quote from back in 08 from Craig Bonner - Kamloops GM. Johannson has strong ties to the 'Loops and the Vancouver Giants

“Everyone wants to draft a good player — that’s not a secret — but you have to establish relationships with some guys so they’ll have faith in us and know their (players) are going to a good program.” Johannson has provided Bonner with a list of potential players that, in essence, is a rating of The Sports Corporation’s draft-eligible clients.

Bonner said that when it’s the Blazers’ turn, he plans on taking the best player off that list. “I don’t know these guys,” Bonner said. “I have no idea. I have never seen them play.” Bonner knows that when it comes to the import draft, it’s all about being able to trust player agents. “If we take one of Gerry’s guys, he’s going to do his darnedest to make sure the guy comes,” Bonner said. “If he doesn’t come, I know at least Gerry did all he could to get him here. There’s no hidden agenda with his guys.”

Gerry Johannson the Agent (http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=person%20finder&search_term=gerry%20johannson&search_country=US&st=person%20finder&target_url=http%3A%2F%2Flrd.yahooapis.com%2F_ylc%3 DX3oDMTVnOGluM2huBF9TAzIwMjMxNTI3MDIEYXBwaWQDc1k3W lo2clYzNEhSZm5ZdGVmcmkzRUx4VG5makpERG5QOWVKV1NGSkJ HcTJ1V1dFa0xVdm5IYnNBeUNyVkd5Y2REVElUX2tlBGNsaWVud ANib3NzBHNlcnZpY2UDQk9TUwRzbGsDdGl0bGUEc3JjcHZpZAN nZm5iVldLSWNycHJZTUsyTkRJWHhBVTZXODV4VGt3YXh0VUFEd XUz%2FSIG%3D12a72657t%2F**http%253A%2F%2Fgdrinnan. blogspot.com%2F2008%2F06%2Fblazers-looking-for-imports.html&section=weblink&wrt_id=227)

From a Canada.com article about Agent representation

Most of all, what agents do for clients on teams like the Giants is listen. The majority of Vancouver players say they talk to their agent at least once a week.

"When I'm having a tough time, Gerry knows how to make me feel better," said winger Lance Bouma, one of the Johannson group. "And when you hear from him that you are not doing well, you know you have to get better."

Agents can help in other ways, from the obvious (Johannson regularly sets up off-ice training in the summer) to the obscure (Barry managed to get then Giants star Gilbert Brule a cell phone number with his jersey number repeated in it).

More on Gerry Johannson the Agent (http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=person%20finder&search_term=gerry%20johannson&search_country=US&st=person%20finder&target_url=http%3A%2F%2Flrd.yahooapis.com%2F_ylc%3 DX3oDMTVnOGluM2huBF9TAzIwMjMxNTI3MDIEYXBwaWQDc1k3W lo2clYzNEhSZm5ZdGVmcmkzRUx4VG5makpERG5QOWVKV1NGSkJ HcTJ1V1dFa0xVdm5IYnNBeUNyVkd5Y2REVElUX2tlBGNsaWVud ANib3NzBHNlcnZpY2UDQk9TUwRzbGsDdGl0bGUEc3JjcHZpZAN nZm5iVldLSWNycHJZTUsyTkRJWHhBVTZXODV4VGt3YXh0VUFEd XUz%2FSIG%3D137loofnn%2F**http%253A%2F%2Fwww.canad a.com%2Ftheprovince%2Fnews%2Fsports%2Fstory.html%2 53Fid%3Dec9fcd84-931f-4b30-ab1f-36f1df0e7fcf&section=weblink&wrt_id=227)

timothy

06-26-2010, 11:37 AM

Time to add "Brett Connolly's Gum" to the BP folklore showing up under usernames.

or "Brad Connolly's Gum"

or Taylor.

Great idea!

jaydeedub

06-26-2010, 11:54 AM

Time to add "Brett Connolly's Gum" to the BP folklore showing up under usernames.

Nice. I thought he was chewing cud with the way he was going at his gum. He does come off as extremely cocky. For starters you'd figure most prospects would be grinning from ear to ear to be on stage with Steve freaking Yzerman. And the way he comes off in the interviews, ouch.

Job #2 (right after fixing/figuring out whatever his injury problems are) is to humble the shit out of him. Kind of makes me wish I could make training camp this year just to see him get put through some drills along the boards and see how cocky he is afterward.

BUT I'd imagine the GM has much faith in him to choose him, being his first selection as a GM and all. If he pans out he's a 6th pick that could/should've been the 1st pick overall and could become the #1 line's RW in 3 years. He had pretty good size, probably just needs to do more strength and conditioning in the likes that Stamkos and Downie did last summer to fill out some more.

CupChamps2004

06-26-2010, 11:54 AM

Yzerman isn't the man most responsible for the pick.

Was being sarcastic. Just think concern over personality in front of camera surprising. 18 years old, long time left to mature. Main concern hockey skills, not interview skills. One easier to teach than other, IMO, so less worried about bubbly personality than what player does on ice.

Wrong Net Paulie

06-26-2010, 12:27 PM

Something is very off with his personality and i'm not sure its him being cocky... he looks very agitated in a way people with social anxiety are. He doesn't seem to want to interview or really speak with people. His family looked to be the same way, not very antisocial, but very self-kept.

I also gathered that he looked tired of answering the same question over and over again - "about your hip"... "tell us about the hip"... "hows the hip feeling"...

I guess time will tell. I wasn't thrilled with the pick at all, but theres a reason i'm here and not at the draft.

RSchmitz

06-26-2010, 12:40 PM

While I was a bit offput I wouldn't necessarily worry about his attitude there. Not everyone is a Stamkos, and most guys that age are just awkward. Downie certainly doesn't come off as an enthusiastic type in front of camera either.

Its a strike. Obviously like you said not everybody has to be Stamkos but you don't want cancers in the locker room.

cromag

06-26-2010, 12:58 PM

My boy Radko Gudas taken 66th! :happydance:

The Great Zo

06-26-2010, 01:06 PM

Kabanov went to the Islanders.

CupChamps2004

06-26-2010, 01:20 PM

Its a strike. Obviously like you said not everybody has to be Stamkos but you don't want cancers in the locker room.

Has reputation of being cancer in room? Totally different, then and calls scouting staff into serious question.

Only saw one interview so didn't get that impression but very worrisome to learn not character guy in room.

cromag

06-26-2010, 01:40 PM

Has reputation of being cancer in room? Totally different, then and calls scouting staff into serious question.

Only saw one interview so didn't get that impression but very worrisome to learn not character guy in room.

There has not been any reports about him being a cancer. Seems people are making many assumptions based on his demeanor.

I can understand being concerned about his injury issues, but all this worry about his personality :noidea:

Sotnos

06-26-2010, 01:54 PM

Seems people are making many assumptions based on his demeanor.
:nod:

CupChamps2004

06-26-2010, 02:08 PM

I can understand being concerned about his injury issues, but all this worry about his personality :noidea:

Feel same way.

bassassin

06-26-2010, 02:20 PM

“John has worked very hard this season on becoming a two-way player. John is one of the fastest skaters in the league. He also possesses one of the hardest wrist shots in the league. The attributes make him a very dangerous player. But what will make him a dangerous NHL player is the ability to use these skills to create offense and also being a contributing factor in his defensive zone. John has really started to contribute in the defensive zone and also has been one of our top penalty killers. John is also a very physical player and not afraid to initiate contact. He has the hockey sense of an NHL player and plays better with better players around him. He strives to be the best player on the ice.”
- Sudbury Wolves head coach Mike Foligno

Not sure where all the no heart, no consistency, less-talent stuff is coming from?

I would buy that he under-produced according to what was expected from him, but his numbers where similar to Ashton who was a first round pick. By all accounts, McFarland has a MUCH higher ceiling than Carter.

I trust Yzerman and Boucher could get the best out of him.

He is a talented player sure, but im saying he has less talent than Lecavalier, but being called less talented than a player that is capable of 100+ points and 50+ goals is hardly an insult. Thats all I was saying in regard to less talent. Who gets an absolute roasting from fans with the "lack of drive" comments, do we want 2 players that will get that?

The no consistency and attitude issues comes from everything I have ever seen/read not from his head coach.

I mean for example future considerations has this to say about his issues:

Weaknesses: Consistency is a glaring issue as he has all the skill in the world but often times lacks the heart or
drive to be a difference maker. His interest in the game wanes from contest to contest. Gives up too much on offensive
chances in the name of retreating for ‘defensive play’. When he gets back he often is a spectator who does not engage
the opposition strong enough. He reminds of Dan Cleary when drafted by the Chicago Blackhawks. Game really has
not progresses much from his 16-year-old season.

cromag

06-26-2010, 02:47 PM

Who gets an absolute roasting from fans with the "lack of drive" comments, do we want 2 players that will get that?

Definitely not. However, I haven't read the same things you have. Most are more resembling of this:

"Brett fits the mold of the type of player we are looking for," Yzerman said. "He is a very skilled forward with a high compete level who we had high on our list. We are excited to welcome him to the Lightning organization."

or this from the front page:

“Connolly's skill & work ethic is unquestionable & we’re confident he will make an impact for the Lightning when he joins their club”

I just don't see Yzerman taking a guy with major character/drive issues.

bassassin

06-26-2010, 03:00 PM

Definitely not. However, I haven't read the same things you have. Most are more resembling of this:

"Brett fits the mold of the type of player we are looking for," Yzerman said. "He is a very skilled forward with a high compete level who we had high on our list. We are excited to welcome him to the Lightning organization."

or this from the front page:

“Connolly's skill & work ethic is unquestionable & we’re confident he will make an impact for the Lightning when he joins their club”

I just don't see Yzerman taking a guy with major character/drive issues.

Fair enough, where from though...as I said everything I have read about McFarland attitude has come up and not in a good way.

cromag

06-26-2010, 03:03 PM

Fair enough, where from though...as I said everything I have read about McFarland attitude has come up and not in a good way.

Are we talking about Connolly or McFarland?

Sorry, forgot which one :duh:

bassassin

06-26-2010, 03:06 PM

Are we talking about Connolly or McFarland?

Sorry, forgot which one :duh:

McFarland, I dont really have any concerns over Connollys attitude:D

cromag

06-26-2010, 03:26 PM

I dont really have any concerns over Connollys attitude:D

Okay, then we agree :thumb:

Sean

06-26-2010, 04:07 PM

Staffers, it seems like they've drafted a few guys that are old enough to go straight to Norfolk. Do you guys think this is going to be something we'll see more often in the later rounds where they draft guys with late picks to go straight to Norfolk to provide depth and make the team stronger to go with the youngsters coming up? It seems like a decent thing to do to get some extra bodies in there.

astro

06-26-2010, 05:03 PM

Today went by much faster. I do have some pictures but I won't be able to share until I get home on Monday. I actually screamed, "yes" when the Lightning took Gudas. After reading about him, I'm not as excited. He had a following that would come down to Seattle to watch him play. I was looking forward to seeing him play, but it doesn't look like it will be in Everett. I only stuck around to the fourth round and left to go eat lunch.

Since, I was not available in chat. What's the opinion on Stevie Y's first draft?

RSchmitz

06-26-2010, 05:22 PM

Sotnos

06-26-2010, 05:34 PM

pete

06-26-2010, 05:34 PM

Sean

06-26-2010, 05:51 PM

I don't think anyone is disrespecting or questioning anyones RIGHT to be worried, I just think some of us are willing to wait more than 24 hours before we doom this kid (who is said to have top of his class talent and could have challeneged for that first/second overall mind you) because he didn't do a Prospal style goal celebration after being drafted.

We have just as much of a right to think all the doom and gloom without even giving the kid a chance is a little ridiculous.

chad

06-26-2010, 05:52 PM

I thought the draft was okay. We needed high end players and defensive depth, and we got a guy who's got a great chance to be a star in the league in Connolly. I wish he had a better chance than it looks right now, but I'll be optimistic.

The D picks were necessary, and like Pete, I like the young Slovak kid, especially after learning he was nearly a PPGer at the WJC's last year.

I also really like taking skilled scorers late that are heading off to the NCAA. This is how diamonds in the rough are found, and they don't have to wait just two years to make a decision on them.

Zahn I'm not too enamored with, but maybe they move him to forward so he can be an agitator/pugilist in Norfolk next year. This may not look good for Fritz, though.

Overall, it was okay.

CupChamps2004

06-26-2010, 05:54 PM

Some of you really, really need to be a bit more reaslitic. No, Connolly doesn't have a reputation as a cancer. But your investing the 6th overall pick into somebody, they need to have as much upside and as little question marks as possible. Dismissing his attitude like it doesn't matter is very insincere of a lot of you, especially since we've had a history of players with work ethic problems. And the rest of us who are concerned about his attitude have every right to be.

Attitude & work ethic? Quote above:

"Brett fits the mold of the type of player we are looking for," Yzerman said. "He is a very skilled forward with a high compete level who we had high on our list. We are excited to welcome him to the Lightning organization."

or this from the front page:

“Connolly's skill & work ethic is unquestionable & we’re confident he will make an impact for the Lightning when he joins their club”

From player:

"I'm so excited to get over to Tampa Bay and show them what I've got," he said. "I feel that I do have a lot to prove."

"I told them I'm a guy who is going to compete every night," Connolly said. "I want to learn and get better. I'm going to give it everything I've got and leave it on the table."

Yzerman:

"He came across as a respectful teenager," Yzerman said. "He was himself."

Guess about what people read and what people choose to believe.

bassassin

06-26-2010, 05:55 PM

I think we were spoiled by last year's draft. It's not every year you pluck four potential NHLers with your first four picks.

The draft will ride on how Connolly pans out. I think Gudas is a good gamble and I think the Slovakian kid, Janosik, is a sleeper. Even Schemitsch has a shot because he's so inexperienced and he's already put up decent numbers regardless. But, ultimately, if Connolly becomes a part-time player, the haul is not going to look good.

This, I think we have been spoilt with the past 2 drafts I mean Hedman, Carter, Panik, Hutchings, Janus, Stamkos, Wright, Tokarski and Barberio all showing so much so earlier and with a couple of picks also being long shots who still have hope like Gotovets and Witkowski, its hard not to have high hopes, but no team does so well every year.

chad

06-26-2010, 06:08 PM

Always fun to look at the NHL photos after the draft.

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/102420768.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E608C3190AB5F1096C 9A493D8D3286B1B32E9073897DD958A4E30A760B0D811297

chad

06-26-2010, 06:14 PM

EE has got comments on each player from Hammett. (http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/the-lightnings-second-day-draft-picks/)

He compares Radko to Darius Kaspairitus.

They like Zahn as a dman; think he can possibly make Norfolk this year.

timothy

06-26-2010, 06:23 PM

Mullin is taking the Witkowski route... a year in Fargo (USHL) before going to Miami (OH). I like that he's spending a year in Fargo. Good coach there!

pete

06-26-2010, 06:26 PM

He compares Radko to Darius Kaspairitus.

Great minds think alike. That was the exact comparison I made.

timothy

06-26-2010, 06:29 PM

They like Zahn as a dman; think he can possibly make Norfolk this year.

Gudas is also 20... wonder if he'll be offered a contract as well. Interesting that they talk about Zahn getting a shot at Norfolk, but not any talk about Gudas.

timothy

06-26-2010, 06:56 PM

For the record... I was pushing for a Gormley or Campbell pick. I didn't really think Connolly would drop out of the Top 5. I figured he was Panther after Horton trade. Maybe even an Islander wingman for Tavares.

Given all the red flags, I still like the pick. If he didn't miss most of the season, the draft would have been talking about three prospects instead of two. He's got the most offensive upside of anyone not named Hall or Seguin. Connolly also has a good defensive side of his game too. I like the pick. I think he's absolutely a good pick to step into Marty's slot when he retires. Very high upside.

I'm not worried about the hip stuff. Sounds like he needs some yoga and a pro workout regimen to strengthen and flex his hips. As far as the attitude concerns... yeah, he reminds me a bit like Vince Young in terms of having the BMOC syndrome -- and he reminds me of how Torts has little grace for stupid interview questions from a largely uninformed media. Paul Kennedy wakes up in cold sweat fearing his purgatory is interviewing Connolly *every* intermission.

Meh. Everyone complaining about the trash on Vinnie's wings... well... with Connolly, Ashton, Panik, Tyrell, and maybe Harju coming up, that shouldn't be a problem much longer.

The fact that Gormley fell as far as he did, I think justifies the thinking of high-end upside with high of a pick. The Lightning may not be picking that high up again for a long time. You can get next year's Gormley in June 2011 when the Bolts are picking #19 overall.

CTLightning26

06-26-2010, 07:19 PM

Holy cow...

Canes get Bobby Sanguinetti for a sixth-round pick?????

pete

06-26-2010, 07:25 PM

I wonder what happened in his personal life to cause that.

astro

06-26-2010, 08:11 PM

Holy cow...

Canes get Bobby Sanguinetti for a sixth-round pick?????

and a 2011 second round pick was involved too.

pete

06-26-2010, 09:13 PM

Makes more sense.

RSchmitz

06-26-2010, 10:46 PM

So, you've met him?

Right back at you. I haven't said he was one thing or another. But a few of you have said you don't care what his attitude is, I do.

Also, just about everybody who watched the draft came away thinking something was definitely off with Connolly. Sorry that I am not closing my eyes and pretending that nothing there was concerning.

Guess about what people read and what people choose to believe.

A player and a GM saying nice things about the situation publicly isn't ground breaking.

timothy

06-26-2010, 10:58 PM

Side note on the 2010 NHL draft in that former Bolt 2008 draftees Matias Sointu and Kyle DeCoste were not re-drafted by any team after the Bolts decided not to give these two forwards an ELC this spring.

Kowalski

06-26-2010, 11:56 PM

Here's what I posted a couple weeks back in the other draft thread:

I'd like the Bolts to end up with Gormley or Nino. Methinks one of those two will be there. I actually think there's a chance Connolly goes before we pick. If he is really as good as the scouts say he is, I think a team will give him time to get healthy if the payoff will be serious production some day. Look at how patient Philly has been with Simon Gagne. Gagne has had injury problems his whole career and he's only played 624 games in 10 years, but has 524 points. If Connolly turns out to be a player like Gagne over the long run, I'm guessing that nearly any team in the league would take him. I don't think the Bolts will, but would you hate them 10 years from now if he had put up those kinds of numbers? I wouldn't.

I'm not going to hate the Bolts for this pick. If Neiderreiter and Johansen were there if Fowler and Gormley went 4 and 5, I think the Bolts would've probably chosen between Connolly and Johansen. With Neiderreiter AND Johansen both gone, I think the Bolts were probably shocked that Connolly was there. Clearly as we watched Fowler and Gormley fall the scouts for other teams behind us didn't like them as much either. I don't care about Connolly's personality or his hip injuries in the past. The advantage of us being patient with him is that if he works out, he is more than likely going to be a STUD. 30 goals as a 16 year old playing against 18 and 19 year olds is pretty impressive. Obviously at 6'2'' he's got good size and more than likely he'll be playing at 210-215 lbs so with regular stretching and an NHL workout regimen he should be able to overcome those issues. I have to honestly say when I saw Stevie Y announce the pick my jaw dropped and after a few seconds I had a big smile.

Let's look at organizational needs at this moment. Sure, we need defenseman and a stud starting goaltender. But what have we all been complaining about for the last 2 years on this board more than nearly any other topic? We can't score! We need more supplementary scoring! Marty, Vinny and Stammer need some help! The Lightning scored 217 goals last season. That's 5 less than New Jersey scored. Freaking 5 less than New Jersey. Sure goals against wasn't good either, but the better offense and more finishers will allow us to spend more time in the opponent's end, effectively reducing opponent's scoring chances. Improvement from Hedman, Lundin and others will hopefully help our blueline more than anything else. I'm guessing Yzerman will look to sign a veteran presence #4/5 guy to mentor and play some minutes that the coaching staff doesn't feel comfortable giving to the younger guys.

I think that loading up on a lot of defense prospects in the later rounds is more than likely to yield at least 1 NHL defenseman of some value and that's all you can ask for with 3rd rounders and later. I like Beukeboom's bloodlines. Plus it's probably one of the best hockey last names ever. Can you hear Mishkin saying Beukeboom launches a BeukeBOOMER and he SCOOOOOOOORES!!!! Priceless. All in all, it's too early to tell, but I trust this scouting staff that gave us a great crop of players at the last draft and I trust that Stevie Y trusts them. I trust that Vinik trusts Stevie Y. Can't complain about it. Can't wait to watch them in action at training camp. :)

CupChamps2004

06-27-2010, 12:29 AM

A player and a GM saying nice things about the situation publicly isn't ground breaking.

Neither is fans assuming worst even though people who scouted him, met him, interviewed him, coached him, know him, say good character, good work ethic, good attitude.

LOS ANGELES — Dean Clark, coach of Prince George of the junior Western Hockey League, said Brett Connolly's most admirable trait is "he makes players around him better."

"Because of his abilities, he gives everybody else confidence," Clark said. "He raises their level of play."

Sounds awful. Don't need any of that around this team. ;)

bolts37205

06-27-2010, 07:48 AM

and motivation more than cockiness from BC. To each his own and I actually think that BC has earned the right to think he is pretty damn good. That is what his record before the injury indicates. I am also sure that what his injuries were or are did concern our draft table but not enough to let him slide. His medical risks are negligible as he was given an ultraconservative approach to recovery. From his published diagnosis, he can recove without a hitch. If he is perpetually tight then I expect the biggest risk to be that his speed could slowly decrease unless he works to rectify that problem. Is it a stretch to not call him a risk? yes, but it truly is medically just a small risk.

Doing a risk benefit analysis would say we got the highest potential reward for our draft pick. I am thrilled we actually went by the book for who was the best player left at that slot and took the pick. I thought the kid was more no non-sense purpose driven. Cocky or confident is a semantic debate.

BC has more upside than any winger that we could have drafted in recent times. Negative anticipation? not me, but that is my perogative also. Potential is a curse that plagues lots of kids who can never fulfill their hype, that falls more on Hall and Seguin than on Connolly because of the circumstances leading up to the draft. I hope to never be in this position again, which is to be picking so high in the draft three years in a row. Connolly to me means that we have passed the immediate gratification stage and are again projecting success in the future.

Nothing out of the media has made me suspect BC's personality. What matters is how he fits on ice with his teammates. I'll wait for camp to choose my adjective to describe him, and I don't have any negative anticipation for how that will turn out. Even his being second BC draft choice seems to be a probable motivation for working his butt off to show his critics/doubters that they misread his recovery:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/draft+Port+Moody+Ryan+Johansen+edges+Prince+George +Brett+Connolly+pick/3203270/story.html

RSchmitz

06-27-2010, 08:50 AM

Sotnos

06-27-2010, 08:52 AM

The fact that Gormley fell as far as he did, I think justifies the thinking of high-end upside with high of a pick. The Lightning may not be picking that high up again for a long time. You can get next year's Gormley in June 2011 when the Bolts are picking #19 overall.
Can't remember where I read this, but word among the scouts (from all teams) was that most want an early d-man pick to be more of a sure #1 d-man, and none felt that Gormley or Fowler were it.

Right back at you. I haven't said he was one thing or another. But a few of you have said you don't care what his attitude is, I do.
I care what his attitude is, I'm just not willing to bash him & overanalyze him based on tv interviews. I re-watched his post-draft interview and outside of him not smiling saw nothing to be disturbed about. My first reaction was "wtf is wrong with this guy?" but on a 2nd viewing I think I overreacted. Every other interview I've watched he gave standard answers to the standard questions. He's hardly the only hockey player ever who comes across as not being the life of the party, doesn't mean he won't be a good teammate. Even if he does think he's the shit, a few months of pro hockey will rid him of that.

I don't think anyone is disrespecting or questioning anyones RIGHT to be worried, I just think some of us are willing to wait more than 24 hours before we doom this kid (who is said to have top of his class talent and could have challeneged for that first/second overall mind you) because he didn't do a Prospal style goal celebration after being drafted.

We have just as much of a right to think all the doom and gloom without even giving the kid a chance is a little ridiculous.
:thumb:

chad

06-27-2010, 08:52 AM

From an Everett release: Radko Gudas, a Prague, Czech Republic native, stands 5'11 and weighs 192 pounds. The 1990-born defenseman recorded 37 points on seven goals and 30 assists, totaling 151 penalty minutes in 65 games. In just one season, Gudas became the Silvertips' all-time plus/minus leader with a +45 rating. A two-time representative of the Czech Republic at the World Junior Championships, Gudas took home a Silvertips Iron Man Award, a Booster Club F.I.E.R.C.E. Predator Award, and was a WHL Second Team All-Star. Following an appearance at the Los Angeles Kings' training camp in 2009, Gudas was ranked 91st amongst North-America-based skaters heading into the draft.

Good pick.

chad

06-27-2010, 08:57 AM

Can't remember where I read this, but word among the scouts (from all teams) was that most want an early d-man pick to be more of a sure #1 d-man, and none felt that Gormley or Fowler were it.

And some teams just don't believe dmen who can score 40 points have as much value as a forward in the top-10 who's capable of being among the league leaders in scoring. Carolina is a believer in not drafting dmen in the early first round, instead choosing to find them in the 2nd or 3rd or through trades.

Pete laid it out well in the Burmistrov 11 for 6 when he pointed out that league leaders among forwards primarily come out of the top of the draft. Dmen leaders come from all over.

Connolly was a risk because of his hips, for sure. And his attitude is the anti-Tyler Seguin. Just watch one of his interviews then watch Connolly. Whatever, though.

I think both Gormley and Fowler will do well, but we won't be the only team watching what they both do and be potentially kicking ourselves.

NYI, CLB and FLA could be looking at Connolly in 4 years and smacking their foreheads.

RSchmitz

06-27-2010, 09:00 AM

I care what his attitude is, I'm just not willing to bash him & overanalyze him based on tv interviews. I re-watched his post-draft interview and outside of him not smiling saw nothing to be disturbed about. My first reaction was "wtf is wrong with this guy?" but on a 2nd viewing I think I overreacted. Every other interview I've watched he gave standard answers to the standard questions. He's hardly the only hockey player ever who comes across as not being the life of the party, doesn't mean he won't be a good teammate. Even if he does think he's the shit, a few months of pro hockey will rid him of that.

It was somebody else who said they didn't care about his attitude

CTLightning26

06-27-2010, 09:06 AM

and a 2011 second round pick was involved too.

yeah, the original story didn't have that or i missed it..

CupChamps2004

06-27-2010, 09:09 AM

Connolly is a great talent, we already know that. I don't see anything in regards to attitude in that quote. Again, a coach saying good things about his player isn't ground breaking. Neither is the GM who just selected him or the scouting director, or the parents, etc. That is just common sense. And obviously I hope that these concerns go away since he is Lightning property and I'm he turns into a franchise cornerstone sooner rather than later.

Not just GM & scouts, also media, commentators, former coaches. Don't see questions about attitude/personality anywhere except on message boards based on personality in few TV interviews. Haven't seen any quotes anywhere else by anyone concerned over anything except hips. If you have please give links/sources so can educate ourselves.

Be concerned all you want, but others can be surprised at *level* of concern because 18-year old kid doesn't act giddy in interviews and chews gum. Seems overboard.

CTLightning26

06-27-2010, 09:10 AM

CTLightning26

06-27-2010, 09:13 AM

Be concerned all you want, but others can be surprised at *level* of concern because 18-year old kid doesn't act giddy in interviews and chews gum. Seems overboard.

I saw Mark Messier chewing gum yesterday....Must not be as good a leader as we all thought he was...:coolwink:

Sotnos

06-27-2010, 09:43 AM

Pete laid it out well in the Burmistrov 11 for 6 when he pointed out that league leaders among forwards primarily come out of the top of the draft. Dmen leaders come from all over.
Yep, and I'm guessing teams thought the forward talent was good enough to jump on early, despite the flaws after the 1st 2. Also with a lower UFA age & d-men taking so long to mature, unless their talent blows you away you can pick up good/great d-men through trades.

Connolly was a risk because of his hips, for sure. And his attitude is the anti-Tyler Seguin. Just watch one of his interviews then watch Connolly. Whatever, though.
Seguin seems like a genuinely nice, warm & happy kid. To bring Hall into this for a second... to me, Hall comes across as kinda dumb, wooden & overcoached (like Crosby overcoached). However, I saw a quote from a scout that he had one notion of Hall from interviews he had seen but came away totally impressed with his intelligence and maturity after the one-on-one. The scouts see things the fans never will, that's one reason why I'm not jumping on the bash Connolly bandwagon. The pros apparently don't see a big problem or they wouldn't have blown 6th overall on him. They did well enough last year that they get the benefit of the doubt from me on this kid.

Being comfortable in front of cameras & a good interview doesn't come overnight for everyone anyway. To me St Louis never stood out in an interview before maybe 2003 or so, now he's quite the charmer when the situation calls for it.

jason_haas

06-27-2010, 09:44 AM

I've been out and about so I haven't chimed in on any draft discussions. All I want to know is this: is Connolly's hip injury something that could be a chronic problem or was it just a bad injury?

CTLightning26

06-27-2010, 09:46 AM

CupChamps2004

06-27-2010, 10:30 AM

Seguin seems like a genuinely nice, warm & happy kid. To bring Hall into this for a second... to me, Hall comes across as kinda dumb, wooden & overcoached (like Crosby overcoached). However, I saw a quote from a scout that he had one notion of Hall from interviews he had seen but came away totally impressed with his intelligence and maturity after the one-on-one. The scouts see things the fans never will, that's one reason why I'm not jumping on the bash Connolly bandwagon. The pros apparently don't see a big problem or they wouldn't have blown 6th overall on him. They did well enough last year that they get the benefit of the doubt from me on this kid.

Being comfortable in front of cameras & a good interview doesn't come overnight for everyone anyway. To me St Louis never stood out in an interview before maybe 2003 or so, now he's quite the charmer when the situation calls for it.

Says it all.

WaiverWire

06-27-2010, 11:23 AM

I do not think that anyone was on the bash Connolly bandwagon, but were just pointing out something they saw/felt.

From what I saw most liked the pick, and some had concerns about the hips and the way he presented himself in interviews when compared to others.

Isn't that what this board is all about?

bassassin

06-27-2010, 11:59 AM

I've been out and about so I haven't chimed in on any draft discussions. All I want to know is this: is Connolly's hip injury something that could be a chronic problem or was it just a bad injury?

Apparently it shouldnt be a chronic injury but it will come down to him and the importance he puts on his conditioning. If he slacks off in regard to stretching, yoga or whatever he needs to keep it good then he could be a glass man ala Havlat, Gaborik etc But then again isnt that true for a lot of players?

alexander

06-27-2010, 12:46 PM

I was just wondering, do you think any of the players from this draft will jump directly to AHL/NHL next year?

Zahn is obviously an alternative for Norfolk, but so is Gudas I guess. Norfolk was playing two ATO/PTO D-men late last season, and only Barbiero is signed so you would think there is a need

And then there is Connelly. He is described as a relatively complete player, not bad defensively, and he obviously has some size. There might be a spot open in the top 6 next season. Is it realistic to think that he might challenge for a spot as soon as next season?

Just speculating of course, and from Yzermans comments on developing players, I would think that it's a long shot, but what do you think?

chad

06-27-2010, 12:57 PM

Yes on Zahn and Gudas. If they don't make it, they'll find a spot in the ECHL for them. I don't believe Zahn can go back to juniors, but I haven't looked that up. Gudas could return as an overager, which may not be a bad idea.

As for Connolly, he's said that's his goal (to make the team), and it was thought he could make the Panthers, but everything from both TB and PG in the last day says he's virtually certain to go back to the Dub.

IMO, he needs to go back there, dominate, earn an invite to Canada's camp in December, make that team, and finish the year with minimal games missed. Then next year he makes a serious push to play in Tampa.

As an aside, it may not only benefit Connolly to move out of his hometown for previously mentioned reasons, but PG is NOT a good team and could be a borderline playoff team this year. I doubt they'd trade him now, but at the deadline or around Christmas he could net PG a ton in return and he could go to a more competitive team. A good playoff run would be great for him.

timothy

06-27-2010, 01:02 PM

CTLightning26

06-27-2010, 01:13 PM

Norfolk d next year?

Wishart
Quick
Jackson
Barberio
Gudas
Zahn

possibles
Mihalik --have a feeling unless he somehow makes Tampa he's gone
Smaby -- could slip down
Lashoff -- has to make a strong play for a Tampa roster spot this year..

Jason

06-27-2010, 01:21 PM

As for Connolly, he's said that's his goal (to make the team), and it was thought he could make the Panthers, but everything from both TB and PG in the last day says he's virtually certain to go back to the Dub.

IMO, he needs to go back there, dominate, earn an invite to Canada's camp in December, make that team, and finish the year with minimal games missed. Then next year he makes a serious push to play in Tampa.

I couldn't agree with this more. He absolutely needs another development year and he needs to prove he can play a full season again.

If he can go back and dominate the Dub and make the national junior team, then we may be looking at a guy who by next spring could be considered the league's top overall prospect.

I'm still not 100 percent sold on the pick myself, as I would have preferred picking a potential No. 2 defenseman to play with Hedman (which also would have allowed us to hedge our bets a little in case Victor's concussions become a chronic thing). But I do get the argument that, if you have a top 10 pick, you should use it on high-ceiling, potential superstar-type guys. As someone else said, you may be able to find another Gormley between 10 and 20 next year. But you almost certainly won't find a guy with Connolly's upside that late.

cromag

06-27-2010, 01:25 PM

Here is the point. You can't blow off attitude concerns and then attack others or defend your own position around the premise that because others have concerns, they obviously think he is a bad kid and are being judgmental. Being concerned is not the same as condemning, and its really a shame that some of you all like to think that way. This isn't the 13th century where you aren't allowed to question things.

I don't think anyone has a problem with people questioning attitude if there was a legitimate reason (i.e. problems with teammates, off-ice issues, etc.), but for me, I was just surprised at the serious issue some people seemed to take with his inability to give a "charming" interview.

I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but when Connolly walked up on stage he looked pretty much the same, but he was talking to Yzerman who had a huge smile on his face. Maybe Connolly is just one of those dry wit kind of guys?

Not just GM & scouts, also media, commentators, former coaches. Don't see questions about attitude/personality anywhere except on message boards based on personality in few TV interviews. Haven't seen any quotes anywhere else by anyone concerned over anything except hips. If you have please give links/sources so can educate ourselves.

Be concerned all you want, but others can be surprised at *level* of concern because 18-year old kid doesn't act giddy in interviews and chews gum. Seems overboard.

Well said.

Being comfortable in front of cameras & a good interview doesn't come overnight for everyone anyway. To me St Louis never stood out in an interview before maybe 2003 or so, now he's quite the charmer when the situation calls for it.

Never thought of that, but St. Louis is actually a good comparison. I thought Marty always seemed like he had no desire to be in front of the camera when being interviewed.

In fact, I was blown away by how good his speech was at the awards show the other night because I was not use to seeing him with a great sense of humor in front of the camera like that.

timothy

06-27-2010, 01:39 PM

Most of you heard this rumor if you were watching the draft on Tuesday, but here it is from yesterday's CBC.ca:

There was a rumour that the Tampa Bay Lightning tried to obtain the rights to soon-to-be unrestricted free agent St. Louis Blues goalie Chris Mason, but Yzerman stated there was no way they would give up a draft pick to acquire the goaltender's rights. That doesn't mean that the Lightning won't try to sign Mason when the free-agent period opens its doors for business on Friday

timothy

06-27-2010, 01:43 PM

Mihalik --have a feeling unless he somehow makes Tampa he's gone
Smaby -- could slip down
Lashoff -- has to make a strong play for a Tampa roster spot this year..

Lashoff (and Smaby) are both on one-way deals next season. Lashoff is a guy that *needs* to come to camp in shape and hungry to make an impact. He could zoom up the depth charts the way Boucher likes to use his defensemen. But the onus is on him to be focused and engaged.

timothy

06-27-2010, 01:54 PM

Another blurb on Connolly with respect to Dana Tyrell:

After just one season in the Western Hockey League, Connolly is known as one of the purest offensive players in the league. His play on a subpar team last season earned him rookie of the year honours and coaches rave about his approach to the game. Connolly's play after veteran Dana Tyrell was injured last season proved he is a special talent.

"He actually got better (after Tyrell's injury) and I think that says a lot about him as a player and as a person," Kelowna Rockets head coach Ryan Huska said. "When a 16-year-old is able to do that you really do expect a lot of good things from him as he gets older and I think that's why everybody considers him to be a lock to be a high pick."

"I think he's got great puck skills, good vision on the ice, he's a natural scorer, and he's very confident with the puck," added Mike Johnston, head coach and general manager of the Portland Winterhawks.

cromag

06-27-2010, 04:42 PM

Another blurb on Connolly with respect to Dana Tyrell:

Nice to hear quotes from opposing coaches. Gives some interesting (maybe, less biased) insight.

I know Tyrell is usually at center, but could we possibly see Tyrell and Connolly on Lecavalier's wings sometime in the near future?

WaiverWire

06-27-2010, 05:02 PM

Nice to hear quotes from opposing coaches. Gives some interesting (maybe, less biased) insight.

I know Tyrell is usually at center, but could we possibly see Tyrell and Connolly on Lecavalier's wings sometime in the near future?

Depends on what you have the near future. Two years, maybe.

pete

06-27-2010, 05:34 PM

I know Tyrell is usually at center, but could we possibly see Tyrell and Connolly on Lecavalier's wings sometime in the near future?

Tyrell typically played wing last season. Craig centered the line with Hall on the other side.

I think Connolly may be groomed to be Marty's replacement on Stammer's line. Downie, obviously, would keep his spot.

I think Tyrell's speed is a good fit for Lecavalier's line and then they have a lot of choices between Harju, Ashton, and Panik for the other side.

cromag

06-27-2010, 08:14 PM

Tyrell typically played wing last season. Craig centered the line with Hall on the other side.

I think Connolly may be groomed to be Marty's replacement on Stammer's line. Downie, obviously, would keep his spot.

I think Tyrell's speed is a good fit for Lecavalier's line and then they have a lot of choices between Harju, Ashton, and Panik for the other side.

Where do you see Hutchings fitting in eventually?

pete

06-27-2010, 08:44 PM

He could take the Tyrell spot on Vinny's line. His hands are better than Dana's. The key is to have someone with speed on Vinny's line to force #4 to move his feet.

cromag

06-27-2010, 09:43 PM

He could take the Tyrell spot on Vinny's line. His hands are better than Dana's. The key is to have someone with speed on Vinny's line to force #4 to move his feet.

That would be nice. Definitely like Hutchings.

Goboltz56

06-28-2010, 08:55 AM

I had heard Gudas was physical, but browsing youtube has made me a fan..this kid loves to fight apparently. Here is what we can look forward to..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM1-KoRFitM

chad

06-28-2010, 09:27 AM

You and me both.

The Kasparaitus comparison (with some offense) is perfect. He can fight pretty well. Those hits are monstrous. Do not come across the middle on him with your head down.

chad

06-28-2010, 09:31 AM

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v228/621/37/n1262090283_7553.jpg

chad

06-28-2010, 09:49 AM

At 1:44, for about 7 seconds, there's some footage of Brendan O'Donnell.

xDJgKm4v0Fc

chad

06-28-2010, 09:54 AM

Check that, I found one of him (No.15, dark sweater) getting robbed by a goalie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0XDBgZqMy8

-0XDBgZqMy8

Goboltz56

06-28-2010, 10:16 AM

You and me both.

The Kasparaitus comparison (with some offense) is perfect. He can fight pretty well. Those hits are monstrous. Do not come across the middle on him with your head down.

There's also video of him beating Kyle Beach in a fight. Beach is about 6'3 215.

chad

06-28-2010, 11:05 AM

Yeah, there were a bunch of them, but that was impressive. He's got the Beach one on his facebook page (I only browsed, didn't "friend" him).

His hits that are starting these fights are what's most impressive.

Janosik's got a couple fight vids out there. He's not the best fighter, but at least he's willing. Nice vid of a hit of his here and a fight, thought the fight's not the point of the vid.

KUpbxO3x_2Y

ChaseSpace

06-28-2010, 11:52 AM

Just watched some of Gudas' fight videos, that man is a monster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-sfX4T3Gxo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKlACiwvEpE&feature=related

timothy

06-28-2010, 12:00 PM

Great balance on skates while fighting. I couldn't believe he didn't fall during the Beach fight. Very strong on his skates.

Sotnos

06-28-2010, 01:04 PM

when the free-agent period opens its doors for business on Friday
Am I missing something?

ChaseSpace

06-28-2010, 01:42 PM

Am I missing something?

No you're not, apparently whoever said that is missing a calendar

timothy

06-28-2010, 03:28 PM

At the risk of resurrecting the Connolly "character issue" debate again... I was stunned today over at islanderspointblank.com (http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2010/06/watch-kabanov-grow-up-in-a-hurrysnows-ultimate-motivator-for-kirill-an-nhl-contract/) that made a familiar reference to our newest controversial prospect, but nailed the perspective quite nicely IMO:

Despite the endless upside of Kabanov, his arrival is another challenge for Snow in a job that had plenty of challenges to begin with. While the Islanders, like every team, inspect for “character,” most would rather their prospects come off as gum-chewing grumps like Brett Connolly than life forces like Kabanov. He’s really going to make Scott Gordon earn that Adams Trophy nomination.

:rofl:

Sotnos

06-28-2010, 03:37 PM

No you're not, apparently whoever said that is missing a calendar
OK good! I'm thinking about skipping a (really hateful & incredibly boring) meeting on Thursday so I'm not away from a computer all afternoon, but this made me wonder! :D

At the risk of resurrecting the Connolly "character issue" debate again... I was stunned today over at islanderspointblank.com (http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2010/06/watch-kabanov-grow-up-in-a-hurrysnows-ultimate-motivator-for-kirill-an-nhl-contract/) that made a familiar reference to our newest controversial prospect, but nailed the perspective quite nicely IMO:
Go look at what I linked here (http://boltprospects.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73915&postcount=337) (one of the pics is in that blog), Kabanov seems to be a bit of a ham at the very least. :)

astro

06-28-2010, 03:43 PM

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Sotnos

06-28-2010, 03:46 PM

Nice! Thanks astro

astro

06-28-2010, 03:51 PM

I don't know why that last pic is so small.... i'm learning how to do this.

timothy

06-28-2010, 03:54 PM

Connolly and Yzerman have the same twisted mouth grin.

Sotnos

06-28-2010, 03:55 PM

I don't know why that last pic is so small.... i'm learning how to do this.
I think you want to use the direct link that they give you, that should be full size. If you want me to fix it, just let me know.

astro

06-28-2010, 03:58 PM

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06-28-2010, 04:15 PM

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timothy

06-28-2010, 04:18 PM

Another thing... I don't get how the Avalanche get a pass by McKenzie on a reach pick of Joey Hishon at the #17 -- a kid limited to 36 games because of injuries -- when he said, "the Avs think otherwise and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt". He didn't nearly give the Yzerman and the Lightning scouting staff the same benefit of the doubt.

jason_haas

06-28-2010, 04:51 PM

nhljohnson

06-28-2010, 06:27 PM

I had heard Gudas was physical, but browsing youtube has made me a fan..this kid loves to fight apparently. Here is what we can look forward to..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM1-KoRFitM

There's the future enforcer, K-Fread. ;-)

nhljohnson

06-28-2010, 06:32 PM

There's also video of him beating Kyle Beach in a fight. Beach is about 6'3 215.

So, Gudas projects to what, at best? A hard-nosed SOB #5/6? Sarich-lite but better skater/passer?

Loving the pick and not just because he's boss.

ChaseSpace

06-28-2010, 08:00 PM

So, Gudas projects to what, at best? A hard-nosed SOB #5/6? Sarich-lite but better skater/passer?

Loving the pick and not just because he's boss.

If he's as good of a skater as he looks he could be a top4.

Won't Connolly be able to play for Norfolk this upcoming season?

pete

06-28-2010, 08:17 PM

No, Connolly won't.

Brendan O'Donnell has supposedly committed to Penticton of the BCHL for one season before he heads to North Dakota, btw.

Avery86

06-28-2010, 09:21 PM

Does anyone know where I can buy a pair of Radko Gudas underoos?

ChaseSpace

06-28-2010, 09:21 PM

Looked up some videos on the prospects

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRi6UwZSbz8 Brett Connolly(from his rookie year I believe?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wrlamm-2aA Brock Beukeboom(he loses but it's the only video I could find)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igUIY6IIAdY Radko Gudas(massive hit in open ice)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKSWUx5ONN0 Adam Janosik (from what I've seen he's not the greatest fighter but scrappy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVemEjOsjqM Geoffrey Schemitsch (highlight video for scouts and agents I suppose?)
Couldn't find anything for James Mullin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1dsgZDttb0 Brendan O'Donnell (in black)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN4u0fLruTs Teigan Zahn (In White)

SmittyFan1

06-28-2010, 10:46 PM

Great pics of the draft Astro. I enjoyed looking at them. Well done!!

astro

06-28-2010, 10:58 PM

Thanks everyone.

the_narrow_way

06-29-2010, 08:19 AM

Thanks for the pics.

chad

06-29-2010, 08:31 AM

No, Connolly won't.

Brendan O'Donnell has supposedly committed to Penticton of the BCHL for one season before he heads to North Dakota, btw.

The blog says the transaction of acquiring his rights should be finalized this week, but OD has visited both Penticton and Des Moines (USHL - holds his rights). It sounds like his final decision is technically still up in the air, but it's highly likely he ends up in BC.

chad

06-29-2010, 08:38 AM

Good find on the Schemitsch video. He's smooth and moves the puck well, always has his head up. Good stuff from a rookie. A long way to go, but a lot to build on.

pete

06-29-2010, 10:25 AM

Schemitsch reminds me of Lundin. A lot.

chad

06-29-2010, 11:06 AM

This isn't really fair to him, but since it was brought up, I noticed it in an old article from the Vancouver Province.

“It's definitely good for your confidence,” said Connolly, now 18. “I mean, it's nice to see that the scouts still see you there and that they still believe you belong there even though you didn't play much. It's definitely a good boost.

“It was definitely a tough year and definitely a year you want to forget. But I've been cleared by the doctors and it's all behind me and thank God it is.”

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Prince+George+Brett+Connolly+survives+ordeal+remai n+draft+prospect/3133463/story.html#ixzz0sG6JTmb0

ChaseSpace

06-29-2010, 11:36 AM

He should definitely get a thesaurus.

astro

06-29-2010, 12:51 PM

Don't know if this link will work and you need to be logged into facebook, but I posted all the pictures that I took in Los Angeles

Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/editalbum.php?&aid=184034&add=1&created=1#!/album.php?id=722422633&aid=184034&s=0&hash=fce698030b44137fe68bcc53bd629d6a)

Sotnos

06-29-2010, 01:27 PM

It worked, thanks!

CTLightning26

06-30-2010, 11:56 AM

Brett Connolly on NHL Live in the second hour.....Believe they replay it 4-6 now...

Alex

06-30-2010, 01:17 PM

Brett Connolly on NHL Live in the second hour.....Believe they replay it 4-6 now...

Indeed they do. Thanks.

SmittyFan1

01-28-2011, 08:55 PM

Remind me of why in the hell did SFY pick Connolly, injured AGAIN!!!!!! over Fowler or Skinner? I think that was a gaffe for SFY but he is a professional and I am merely a hockey fan.

njbolt12

01-28-2011, 09:14 PM

Remind me of why in the hell did SFY pick Connolly, injured AGAIN!!!!!! over Fowler or Skinner? I think that was a gaffe for SFY but he is a professional and I am merely a hockey fan.

Calm yourself :o

I'm of the impression Skinner might not have made the Lightning out of camp (due to newfound depth and a new, patient approach towards prospect development). At the same token, Connolley could have been tearing it up on the Hurricanes had the picks been switched given their forward situation.

He hasn't run into the same type of recurring injury he faced in his draft year, which is a good sign. It's a bit premature and HF-esque to declare SFY's first draft pick a failure at this point.

CTLightning26

01-28-2011, 10:55 PM

Like Skinner...I think he's good...But there's no fricken way he should be on the all-star team...My guess is the NHL asked like 3-4 other guys who said no and said, ahh, lets just add skinner...

Donnie D

01-28-2011, 11:04 PM

A hometown selection.

pete

01-28-2011, 11:06 PM

Because he listened to his scouts, who were actually Lawton's scouts. We'll see how Yzerman does with Murray in charge in the coming years.

By the way, can we get a picture for Pat Verbeek on the team's front office page that doesn't show him wearing the world's ugliest ass shirt?

http://cdn.nhl.com/lightning/images/upload/2010/08/verbeek-pat-hshot-145.jpg

Hoek

01-28-2011, 11:16 PM

LOL, wow..

As for Skinner. Would love to have him but I don't think anyone had him doing THIS well right after being drafted and I do wonder if he would have cracked our lineup too, not that he shouldn't have. I think he deserves to be in the ASG. At least as much as Phil Kessel does.

Flycoon

01-29-2011, 09:51 AM

Avery86

01-29-2011, 11:22 AM

Remind me of why in the hell did SFY pick Connolly, injured AGAIN!!!!!! over Fowler or Skinner? I think that was a gaffe for SFY but he is a professional and I am merely a hockey fan.

Hindsight, 20/20, etc.

His injury is in no way related to his hip issues and is just a knock any hockey player could pick up tomorrow.

But okay, let's call him a bust.

chad

01-29-2011, 12:56 PM

Give it time. I'm not saying Skinner won't be better, but give it time.

Donnie D

01-29-2011, 05:17 PM

You never lose when you second guess someone.

What was Dudley thinking back in 1999? I can't believe we traded our #1 when we could have drafted the goalie that Buffalo took in round 5 or the forward that Detroit picked in the 7th round.

pete

01-29-2011, 06:05 PM

The more apt question was in 2000, why the hell did Dudley think Weekes was a better solution than Luongo?

That's the thing about Rick, he gets some credit for signing St. Louis and Pokemoning some talent into Tampa Bay, but when the stakes were high he played some damned awful poker when he was our GM: picked Weekes over Luongo and tried to trade Lecavalier for Kaberle and a box of lightbulbs. And I hope they put thoe two almost-deals on his goddamned tombstone.

RSchmitz

01-29-2011, 08:21 PM

He could have had Luongo AND Chara and somehow turned that into Weekes and Kudroc

the_narrow_way

01-30-2011, 10:39 AM

He could have had Luongo AND Chara and somehow turned that into Weekes and Kudroc
:doh: I try not to think about that; it's too painful.

pete

02-07-2011, 07:21 PM

The new Red Line is out, and they've made their annual late season shock and awe changes at the top:

1.) Gabriel Landeskog, RW, Kitchener
2.) C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Red Deer
3.) D Adam Larsson, Skelleftea
4.) C Sean Couturier, Drummondville

Ryan Murphy is at 6. Adam Clendening is at 33.

They make a big point that almost all the top end talent in this draft is either from the OHL or Sweden this year.

The other righty d-man we might have a shot at is Scott Mayfield of Youngstown of the USHL. He is scheduled to play one more year at that level before going to the University of Denver. He's rated at 27.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=539430

astro

02-07-2011, 08:09 PM

pete

02-07-2011, 10:10 PM

True.

Goboltz56

02-08-2011, 04:31 PM

Larsson and Couturier have been slipping, no doubt. It would not completely surprise me to see Landeskog go first..but not likely. Nugent-Hopkins above both of them is laughable though.

chad

03-24-2011, 02:26 PM

Hey Astro... Colorado signed Pickard today.

I wonder if they'll fast track him since he's clearly their future in goal right now.

RSchmitz

03-24-2011, 03:49 PM

Victor Rask sounds like the Swedish version of Richard Panik(attitude issues included). Might be there for the taking in the second round.

Goboltz56

03-24-2011, 10:48 PM

We don't have a 2nd this year

astro

03-24-2011, 10:56 PM

Hey Astro... Colorado signed Pickard today.

I wonder if they'll fast track him since he's clearly their future in goal right now.

Thanks for letting me know. That's so awesome. I can't imagine that he will play for Colorado next year. I think that he will spend one more year in Seattle.....I Hope. The Thunderbirds are already bad and that's with Pickard keeping them in the game.

astro

03-24-2011, 11:24 PM

We don't have a 2nd this year

Unless this isn't up to date..... wikipedia says that we still have it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NHL_Entry_Draft#Notes_.28Round_two.29

RSchmitz

03-24-2011, 11:52 PM

We don't have a 2nd this year

We should unless Yzerman trades it between now and the draft.

chad

03-25-2011, 09:03 AM

We have a 2nd this year and 2 next year. Last year we didn't have one.

We don't have a 3rd this year (Brewer).

ChaseSpace

03-25-2011, 10:05 AM

If we pick late in the first round I hope we pick up Oleksiak

Goboltz56

03-25-2011, 10:20 AM

Weird. Thought we traded it for Roloson.

Alex

03-25-2011, 10:24 AM

Weird. Thought we traded it for Roloson.

Ty Wishart, straight up.

RSchmitz

03-25-2011, 10:45 AM

If we pick late in the first round I hope we pick up Oleksiak

Doubt he makes it to us with that size/speed combination, even though he is raw. Everyone is looking to pick up the next Chara/Myers. A team with two 1st rounders like Ottawa or Toronto would be more likely to take chances on boom or bust prospects. But I agree, would love to pick him up.

Hoek

03-25-2011, 11:04 AM

After it seems like we didn't have a 2nd in forever it's understandable to think we didn't have one this year either. :p

ChaseSpace

03-26-2011, 07:20 PM

Any goalies in this draft that peak your interest? Better yet, any undrafted free agent goalies playing in juniors/college that peak your interest?

Goboltz56

03-26-2011, 08:15 PM

We already signed a college ufa, so i doubt we sign another. Both Gibson kids look good. Might be here in the 3rd round.

pete

03-26-2011, 10:12 PM

Samu Perhonen of JYP in Finland is Red Line's second ranked goalie behind John Gibson. They have Gibson at 34 and Perhonen at 43. No first round goaltenders as of their February bulletin.

pete

03-26-2011, 10:32 PM

If you're looking for potential ATO signings, there are several of Cooper's former NAHL players available:

D Scooter Vaughan of Michigan
D Jeff Dimmen of Maine
RW Todd Pococke of Ferris State
D John Kennedy of RPI

ChaseSpace

03-31-2011, 08:32 PM

Just throwing this out there, I know we signed Nagle but Aaron Dell (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123469) and Ryan Rondeau (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=94406) look like decent goalies.

Dell is in his Sophomore year and Rondeau is in his Senior year.

RSchmitz

03-31-2011, 09:13 PM

Title of this thread should probably be amended.