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Maverick9911
09-05-2009, 10:59 PM
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timothy
09-05-2009, 11:44 PM
It was *almost* the perfect Saturday. GT & Bama wins. UGA loses. But alas the Fulmer-less vols win. Go Jack-ets!
Sotnos
09-06-2009, 09:13 AM
I separated this out to its own thread, don't have to piggyback on last years. :D
Anyone who hates the Gators or is sick of hearing about Tebow would've HATED yesterday's broadcast. Talk about fawning!
Maverick9911
09-06-2009, 11:44 AM
I didn't get to hear it but I wonder how much worse it is than Verne Lundquist. I love Tebow and all but damn, ol' Verne's love for Timmy makes Madden's opinion of Favre outright hatred.
Talking about Tebow now is just really freaking lazy at this point. Your job as a commentator is to tell us about things we DON'T know about!
jason_haas
09-06-2009, 12:11 PM
Was good to see UM win with some authority yesterday. I was pessimistic about the team, but I wasn't one of the ones who actually thought Western would beat them. Both of the QB's look good too, I hope Sheridan enjoys the headset.
Sotnos
09-06-2009, 12:15 PM
I didn't get to hear it but I wonder how much worse it is than Verne Lundquist. I love Tebow and all but damn, ol' Verne's love for Timmy makes Madden's opinion of Favre outright hatred.
Granted, it was tough trying to find something interesting to talk about during that game & keep it entertaining, but they had a poll of "who's the best SEC quarterback ever?" which he won handily and had little features like "which of the following did Tebow do on his summer vacation?". Then they discussed "can anyone stop these Gators?". I know it was a local broadcast but it was a massive love fest. Think: Pierre McGuire talking about Sidney Crosby...
Avery86
09-06-2009, 01:30 PM
UCF thoroughly embarrassed me last night. 28-24 against a Div I-AA school. Gonna be another looonnngggg year. Can't wait for those games against Miami and Texas. :doh:
This Miami-FSU game is amazing..
RSchmitz
09-07-2009, 10:51 PM
indeed...it'll be hard to top this one early
Maverick9911
09-07-2009, 10:55 PM
Sigh. Always thought getting a smack to the face was PI. Oh well.
Nice to see Miami is stealing chants from Florida now. I guess that must be a 3 credit class at Miami Dade Community College.
TexasBolt
09-07-2009, 11:48 PM
This Miami-FSU game is amazing..
It was a secretly crappy game. Some of the coaching decisions down the stretch were insane. Miami pounding it right into the end zone when they could have muscled down the clock? A squib kick with two minutes left? Making Ponder come all the way to the sidelines for play calls at the very end? And Shannon was really loose with his timeouts all game long. There was no outmaneuvering in that game, it was more about who was going to get away with their mistakes.
RSchmitz
09-08-2009, 12:09 AM
Agreed on all points, but its still nice to see a close meaningful game in week 1
It was a secretly crappy game. Some of the coaching decisions down the stretch were insane. Miami pounding it right into the end zone when they could have muscled down the clock? A squib kick with two minutes left? Making Ponder come all the way to the sidelines for play calls at the very end? And Shannon was really loose with his timeouts all game long. There was no outmaneuvering in that game, it was more about who was going to get away with their mistakes.
This.
(Did it again)
Fun game to watch, only because my team wasn't playing. Although I do go for whoever is playing fsu.
Yeah, there were some real bone-head moves.
Greg Reid was fantastic. As a Gator fan, it makes me mad as UF had offered him first and Waaaaaaay early in the process - before anyone knew he was anything more than a shrimply little return specialist in Valdosta. As his legend grew, so did his head, and by the time the Under Armor game rolled around, he wanted "love" from other big time programs.
As it turned out, he wouldn't have had the grades to get into UF, and barely made it into fsu.
Patrick Robinson and Bert Reed are two others who spurned UF late. Of course, the Pounceys were considered fsu soft commits at one point.
Bolthed
09-08-2009, 02:15 PM
Then consider that the Gators came out ahead, Chad. Would you trade the Pounceys for any or all three of those guys?
BJ off to a good start for the Bulls now..
LOL another deep strike for a TD this time! Woo!
Maverick9911
09-26-2009, 12:22 PM
Thanks, Mickey Andrews. Seriously.
Sigh...thank God im in Dallas this weekend. I'm not gonna be able to deal with the "fans" for weeks now.
God damn why did they go for the field goal with 9 secs..
Back to the same ol' Big East Bulls. Well usually it's not this close with Syracuse..
Same ol' Syracuse in the 2nd half though, LOL.
jaydeedub
10-04-2009, 06:36 PM
At least the Bulls are still giving the fans of TB something to cheer for; though most of them cheer for UF or FSU anyways. They're ranked now at #23 by the AP. HUGE game on Thursday against #8 Cincinatti.... And it's at Raymond James so they have a fighting chance to pull off the upset. They'll have to play near perfect though and at the level they did against FSU. They win this then they be 6-0 and should be in the top ten; with their next game against a ranked team coming at the end of the season (being Miami).
STUPID penalties.. STUPID drops.. time for the annual swoon.
TexasBolt
10-15-2009, 10:36 PM
Let's wait until they lose to a team that's worse than them before the swoon talk. Cincinnati is really good and they are perfectly coached.
RSchmitz
10-15-2009, 11:55 PM
Not a good day for Tampa sports
Gators lucky to only be down a TD with all those fumbles.
Sotnos
10-17-2009, 04:34 PM
Yeah, hope they clean it up and I get to see most of this before the Bolts game starts.
And another fumble.. It was hilarious though. Kicked it out of his hand!
Would have been a tripping penalty if he missed.
Wow Arkansas just gave up a ridiculously easy TD.
Donnie D
10-17-2009, 05:21 PM
You have to think that the turn over parade would stop and Florida will still win this game.
Donnie D
10-17-2009, 05:31 PM
You have to think that the turn over parade would stop and Florida will still win this game.
The SEC must have instructed their officials not to risk their big payday in the BCS. What a brutal set of calls at the end of the game to make sure that Florida won. 3 awful calls in a row.
Give Florida credit for taking it the length of the field at the end after Arkansas misses the field goal.
And they squeak it out somehow. Gotta feel for the other guy missing his FG..
Sotnos
10-17-2009, 07:14 PM
And they squeak it out somehow. Gotta feel for the other guy missing his FG..
I feel for him, but he can take comfort in the fact that they had several other blown chances.
That was a nail biter, not what I was expecting.
Flycoon
10-17-2009, 08:19 PM
UF coughed up the ball 4 times, 2 in the red zone, and Arkansas couldn't take advantage. Very odd to lose the turnover battle 0-4 as UF did and still eke out a win.
Donnie D
10-18-2009, 08:23 AM
They are, by far, the much better team. So they should be able to overcome some adversity. They need to hope that they got that out of their system before they play a really good team.
But they also got some huge breaks at the end. That was offensive pass interference in the end zone should have taken them back 15 yards. The R2 call when the Gator blocks the Arkansas guy and takes the worst of it and gets a call, was as bad as we've ever seen...well until the official missed the Pen running into Niiti on the 3rd goal later that night. If that was a penalty for initiating contact away from the play, and that in itself was stupid, but if it was a call, it was the Gator that initiated the contact and should have been yet another 15 yards going the other way.
Was that penalty on him for the block/knockdown or because Gilbert put his hand up and 96 faked helping him up, snatching his hand away?
The former is an absurd call. The latter would fall in line with the NCAAs uber-strict policy on sportsmanship.
Nevertheless, the Gators, on one hand, were lucky. On another hand, that was an extremely uncharacteristic game. That Cooper drop, the 2 fumbles in the red zone, that kick when Rainey was behind the defense. This game - if played "normal" was more 35-20 than it was Arkansas winning, IMBiasedO.
Flycoon
10-18-2009, 09:49 AM
IMBiasedO.
Me too. Was never a Gator fan until I dropped over $100K on my daughters education there (undergrad and grad); money changes everything.
What I see in NCAA FB this year is the lack of a dominant team. My "gator glasses" have a fairly weak prescription and before yesterday I saw Alabama as the best team in the country. Having a passing attack that makes makes USF point and laugh the last couple of weeks has changed that opinion.
Best thing to come out of the season is the turd in the big horseshoe in Columbus. Truly irrational hatred for everything OSU, but I have come to embrace it.
timothy
10-24-2009, 05:57 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
Bama blocks FT attempt with 4 secs left. vols lose!!!!!!!
Terrence Cody blocks 2 vol FG today. He's a hoss! God he's a hoss!
Bolthed
10-24-2009, 10:04 PM
The Gator offense is just braindead. So much talent being wasted. The guys calling the plays (Urban, Addazio, maybe Loeffler) are the biggest problem. But a close second is Tebow, I hate to admit. Maybe his wide receivers aren't getting as open (or open at all on a consistent basis) but his decision-making and vision are not good. Perhaps Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy made Tebow look better by getting more open, who knows for sure? But the way Tebow is playing is lending credence to those draft experts who question his ability to be an effective NFL quarterback.
Flycoon
10-24-2009, 11:03 PM
The Gator offense is just braindead. So much talent being wasted. The guys calling the plays (Urban, Addazio, maybe Loeffler) are the biggest problem. But a close second is Tebow, I hate to admit. Maybe his wide receivers aren't getting as open (or open at all on a consistent basis) but his decision-making and vision are not good. Perhaps Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy made Tebow look better by getting more open, who knows for sure? But the way Tebow is playing is lending credence to those draft experts who question his ability to be an effective NFL quarterback.
I sure don't understand why the backs have such a minute role in the passing game. You would think that the offensive genius' would want to get the ball to Demps, Rainey, or Moody in the secondary or matched up un a LB. Especially with the pedestrian crew of wide receivers the Gators have.
I am seeing Tebow as a 3-5th round pick for a team that runs the wildcat. I just can't see him under center and taking 3 - 5 step drops and being successful. The Byron Leftwich wind up won't work.
Flycoon
10-24-2009, 11:08 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
Bama blocks FT attempt with 4 secs left. vols lose!!!!!!!
Terrence Cody blocks 2 vol FG today. He's a hoss! God he's a hoss!
Cody earned an extra dinner at the Golden Corral. The Bucs could sure use this big, fat, greasy bitch (and I mean that in a good way, like those two fat fireplugs in the middle of the Vikings line) to plug the middle of the line.
Nice to see Kiffin (Lane) get hung with another loss. Retire, Monte. Then we'll see if your kid has anything to offer other than a big mouth.
timothy
11-15-2009, 02:45 PM
Congrats to Georgia Tech for clinching the ACC Coastal division yesterday. To hell with Georgia in two weeks, and then onto to Tampa for the ACC championship game! Get your tickets to see the spread option offense, Tampa locals! Fun times!
The heck is with these new Gators uniforms.. Specifically the shoulder designs..
Canes have the same crap.
Both ranked teams just running away with things.
I really hate excessive celebration penalties. So stupid. They're old enough. They got a problem with it? Stop them from scoring!
TexasBolt
11-29-2009, 12:08 AM
Both ranked teams just running away with things.
Did USF even game plan for Miami? I mean seriously.
Flycoon
11-29-2009, 10:40 PM
WTF happened to GT and Clemson? Is the ACC so bad that their two best (allegedly) get taken out by SEc middle of the pack teams? Or is the SEC as good as they would have you believe?
There should be tens of people from the Tampa Bay area attending the ACC Chumpionship game next Saturday.
Gators are in trouble. Can't stop Bama worth a lick and who knows if their offense is up to the task.
Sotnos
12-05-2009, 06:08 PM
Gators are in trouble. Can't stop Bama worth a lick and who knows if their offense is up to the task.
Yeah this is disappointing AND it's taking so long that I'll miss some of the Bolts game
Flycoon
12-05-2009, 06:42 PM
Gators are in trouble. Can't stop Bama worth a lick and who knows if their offense is up to the task.
Urban Meyer and his staffed getting schooled. Gators look completely unprepared and disorganized.
Sotnos
12-05-2009, 07:10 PM
Interception. This just gets worse and worse, what a disaster. :doh:
Flycoon
12-05-2009, 07:26 PM
Kudos to Alabama, they kicked the snot out of the Gators. I don't understand why Saban hasn't used the offense all season like he did today. I hate to think how good they would be had they a full season's experience playing way.
No excuses here. No blame, really.
Bama has been up for this game for a year and they played like it. Nearly a perfect game at a very high level. UF made mistakes (dropped passes, questionable playcalling) like usual, but you can't overcome them on a team like that on a day like that.
UF got beat. Handily. End of story.
TexasBolt
12-05-2009, 09:15 PM
Anyone keeping an eye on this USF-Connecticut game? It's snowing hard enough that you can't see where the sidelines are. I think USF got away with like a 30-yard gain because the refs couldn't tell if the receiver was inbounds or not.
WaiverWire
12-05-2009, 09:18 PM
USF/UCONN in one good snow storm
The Ga Tech/Clemson ACC Championship Game was the best game of the night and probably nobody but Tim and I watched it. Heart stopping drama.
CTLightning26
12-06-2009, 12:04 AM
USF/UCONN in one good snow storm
stadium is 5 minutes from where i used to live..
Sorry Jim Leavitt. Go Home.
Huskies could be here for St. Pete Bowl - i hope..
CTLightning26
12-06-2009, 12:05 AM
Lane Kiffin was right..
Alabama had the edge in coaching..
:happydance:
WaiverWire
12-06-2009, 12:47 AM
The Ga Tech/Clemson ACC Championship Game was the best game of the night and probably nobody but Tim and I watched it. Heart stopping drama.
Wrong...........that was one good game.:D:D:D
Lane Kiffin was right..
Alabama had the edge in coaching..
:happydance:
Saban was and maybe is the better coach. But I'm not taking that point coming from that turd.
Any praise of that pos will get you banned from the boards. Seriously.
Ok, not seriously, but close.
Flycoon
12-06-2009, 09:49 AM
The Ga Tech/Clemson ACC Championship Game was the best game of the night and probably nobody but Tim and I watched it. Heart stopping drama.
Pitt-Cincy was pretty good , too.
Flycoon
12-06-2009, 09:51 AM
Saban was and maybe is the better coach. But I'm not taking that point coming from that turd.
Any praise of that pos will get you banned from the boards. Seriously.
Ok, not seriously, but close.
No, Chad. Seriously. Praising the moron spawn of Monte is like opening a Bolt Prospect wing of the Stephen Weiss fan club.
BEGONE WITH YE!
I just can't believe ESPN had the audacity to bring him on GameDay.
Wouldn't Les Miles - a coach who plays and has played these teams every year and has won a NC - have been a better choice for that?
No, because ESPN is the TMZ of sports and are viewership whores and wanted lk on there to take more shots at Meyer so they could talk about it. I guess No.1 vs. No.2 wasn't a strong enough storyline on its own. He was taking shots all week, and when Dan Scilio, etc found out about the first round, he and they had him on so he could do it again and again. And this mediocre coach riding his dad's brain simply uses it as a recruiting platform.
On one hand, it's genius, but in a backwards, untraditional, classless kind of way that could only work in the ESPN age of sports.
You shove a mic in T.O.'s face because he'll say something spicy with flash. You leave Marvin Harrison alone, though he's the better, classy, more well-respected player.
It's backwards.
End of anti-modern-sports-media rant.
CTLightning26
12-06-2009, 10:24 AM
Saban was and maybe is the better coach. But I'm not taking that point coming from that turd.
Any praise of that pos will get you banned from the boards. Seriously.
Ok, not seriously, but close.
Can I rip snooty Urban and the sobbing mess of a quarterback?
wahhhhhh..
CTLightning26
12-06-2009, 10:25 AM
No, Chad. Seriously. Praising the moron spawn of Monte is like opening a Bolt Prospect wing of the Stephen Weiss fan club.
BEGONE WITH YE!
and Urban can do no wrong?
HMMMMM..
Sotnos
12-06-2009, 10:28 AM
No ripping of Tebow! :p I felt for the guy, that was like his last game before "retirement" and he knows he didn't play his best and he himself screwed up a couple of times. Shame on the networks for not letting him just get off the field.
Avery86
12-06-2009, 12:09 PM
Huskies could be here for St. Pete Bowl - i hope..
I hope so. I'd much rather UCF play UConn than USF.
timothy
12-06-2009, 01:40 PM
The Ga Tech/Clemson ACC Championship Game was the best game of the night and probably nobody but Tim and I watched it. Heart stopping drama.
Drama indeed. Please. It was like GT vs. CJ Spiller. That kid was a beast. If he was in the SEC or Big 10/12, he'd be on everyone's lips for the Heisman.
It was pretty much the perfect sports day for me.
Alabama wins the SEC champsionship and NC berth.
Tampa Bay Lightning shut out the Islanders.
Georgia Tech wins the ACC and berth in the Orange Bowl.
It was almost like my wedding day. :hattip: :cigar:
The right team won: Spiller was the best athlete on the field, but Georgia Tech was the best team with the widest array of weapons between Nesbitt, Dwyer, Bebe Thomas, Roddy Jones, and the rest of the gaggle of A-backs they have.
ESPN is projecting Iowa versus Tech in the Orange Bowl. A big, lumbering Big Ten team against Paul Johnson's triple option? Coach has to be salivating.
Flycoon
12-07-2009, 02:21 PM
Can I rip snooty Urban and the sobbing mess of a quarterback?
wahhhhhh..
Rip them all you want.
If you prefer a snot nosed, know nothing punk like Kiffin and his smack talking recruiting tactics and the type of athlete that will bring to UT, have at it.
As for Tebow, if calling him a "sobbing mess" is the most derisive comment you can make about this young man after losing the National Championship Game (that's right, I said it) you're nothing but a hater.
Flycoon
12-07-2009, 02:24 PM
and Urban can do no wrong?
HMMMMM..
Of course he can. Like never attempting to run the ball against Alabama. Or not replacing Dan Mullen with a qualified OC.
But he is not a smart ass punk like Kiffin. Eminem is proud of Kiffin.
CTLightning26
12-07-2009, 02:44 PM
Rip them all you want.
If you prefer a snot nosed, know nothing punk like Kiffin and his smack talking recruiting tactics and the type of athlete that will bring to UT, have at it.
As for Tebow, if calling him a "sobbing mess" is the most derisive comment you can make about this young man after losing the National Championship Game (that's right, I said it) you're nothing but a hater.
Im no Lane Kiffin fan, but I like that he doesn't bow to Meyer....
Guess Im a hater...Just want him to be more of a man i guess..He's lost twice the last two years and he's cried a river after both...
You only should cry at movies..:D
Flycoon
12-07-2009, 04:39 PM
Just want him to be more of a man i guess..He's lost twice the last two years and he's cried a river after both...
Yep, more of a man. He needs a couple of baby-mamas to smack around, a glock, bling and a dui or two.
To quopte Ochocinco, "Child, please". Criticize him for throwing lousy passes and not reading defenses as well as he should at this stage of his career. Criticize Urban for getting bitch-slapped by Saban's game plan.
Sotnos
12-07-2009, 05:09 PM
Guess Im a hater...Just want him to be more of a man i guess..He's lost twice the last two years and he's cried a river after both......and some of us find him refreshing because he's sincere & wears his heart on his sleeve. Watch enough of his games and you can see that he's passionate about football & winning way beyond most other players. If that makes him unmanly, I'm sure he's OK with that. They can't all be man enough to be getting arrested every other weekend & all the rest.
CTLightning26
12-07-2009, 05:18 PM
...and some of us find him refreshing because he's sincere & wears his heart on his sleeve. Watch enough of his games and you can see that he's passionate about football & winning way beyond most other players. If that makes him unmanly, I'm sure he's OK with that. They can't all be man enough to be getting arrested every other weekend & all the rest.
I admire his passion.
and i don't want him to get arrested.
Just think he needs to take some things in stride after he gives his 150 percent out there..knowing that he has won a lot already...
Sotnos
12-07-2009, 05:38 PM
I admire his passion.
and i don't want him to get arrested.
Just think he needs to take some things in stride after he gives his 150 percent out there..knowing that he has won a lot already...
That's not his way, apparently. He's also not going out the way he wanted to. Don't blame him for being upset at all or for showing it.
Avery86
12-07-2009, 07:12 PM
To quote Ochocinco, "Child, please".
Well played.
Charlie Strong FINALLY gets a head coaching position. Too bad he might just make life in the Big East harder for the Bulls by going to Louisville.
Brian Kelly leaves Cincy for Notre Dame. I dunno about that..
Donnie D
12-10-2009, 06:27 PM
Charlie Strong FINALLY gets a head coaching position. Too bad he might just make life in the Big East harder for the Bulls by going to Louisville.
Brian Kelly leaves Cincy for Notre Dame. I dunno about that..
I hate that teams can recruit coaches before the end of the bowl season. Can't they wait for another month?
Sucks for the kids that have their coach abandon them before the end of the season.
The Great Zo
12-10-2009, 09:10 PM
Brian Kelly leaves Cincy for Notre Dame. I dunno about that..
His lies and weaseling about the whole thing have put him about one step above Satan in the media here.
The fact that he did the same thing to my alma mater a few years ago speaks even further...
TexasBolt
12-10-2009, 09:44 PM
What exactly did they want him to do, come right out and say "Yes, I am going to Notre Dame as soon as they call me"? They'd have murdered him for that, too. And it's not like people in the Cincinnati media wouldn't be on the next plane to Connecticut if ESPN called to offer them a job. So hypocritical.
Flycoon
12-10-2009, 11:15 PM
I had heard that Kelly's pro-choice stance may have been a factor in considering other candidates. Seems that meant less to to ND than the possibility of winning.
As for Randy Edsall, he is no more qualified than Jim Leavitt. That would have been worse than the last three.
Donnie D
12-10-2009, 11:19 PM
His lies and weaseling about the whole thing have put him about one step above Satan in the media here.
The fact that he did the same thing to my alma mater a few years ago speaks even further...
According to the Chicago sun times the guy has been begging for the ND job since it opened up.
TexasBolt
12-10-2009, 11:34 PM
As for Randy Edsall, he is no more qualified than Jim Leavitt. That would have been worse than the last three.
I disagree - Edsall gets more out of less than anyone in the Big East. They have even less talent than Syracuse and yet they always have a solid team.
Maverick9911
12-11-2009, 02:05 AM
Mardy Gilyard had a strong comment about Kelly quitting, how they were so close and how you shouldn't quit on the team before the job is done, etc. He's a senior but I wonder if would've made that comment if he had similar stats as a junior.
Good for Notre Dame - they can dominate the headlines so I can quit hearing the Tebow jealousy being blathered all over the place.
CTLightning26
12-11-2009, 08:37 AM
Mardy Gilyard had a strong comment about Kelly quitting, how they were so close and how you shouldn't quit on the team before the job is done, etc. He's a senior but I wonder if would've made that comment if he had similar stats as a junior.
Good for Notre Dame - they can dominate the headlines so I can quit hearing the Tebow jealousy being blathered all over the place.
It's really a difficult situation for Kelly to be in..
Unless the NCAA constitutes a rule saying schools that fire their coach cannot hire a coach until all the bowls are over its always gonna be this way...cause they are gonna want to hire coaches that have done well with their teams.
PS: Tebow will also miss the Sugar Bowl..He has signed a six-figure contract with Kleenex..:D
Flycoon
12-11-2009, 08:54 AM
It's really a difficult situation for Kelly to be in..
Unless the NCAA constitutes a rule saying schools that fire their coach cannot hire a coach until all the bowls are over its always gonna be this way...cause they are gonna want to hire coaches that have done well with their teams.
Whe remembers who won an also ran bowl anyway? Just ask FSU or Mizzou fan about their memories of their glorious bowl games of the last 5 years.
It's really a shame for all the good Tebow's done in the spotlight, some will choose to remember him for crying after a loss. As though Tebow cares. Or UF fans, for that matter. God forbid a kid who gave up a better draft position to come back another year to win it all (for an unheard of third time) - and failed - show emotion in disappointment. He lost. He personally took the blame for the season ending like that. That should be enough for those that are suffering from Tebow Fatigue. But if it helps you sleep better at night to rip on a kid for crying after a loss, then have at it.
ESPN's play-by-play guy had a nice rant against the media during the basketball game last night, saying "shame on you" for making light of it.
But anyway...
Always nice to see MU fan mentioned. They're currently calling the refs racist for making them lose to Oral Roberts the other night. Yeah, that's it.
In other coaching news... Tuberville is practically begging for the Kansas job. KU wants Harbough, who is listening, and have Holtz and Gill on hold basically.
CTLightning26
12-11-2009, 10:57 AM
You know, it's more about tweeking Gators fans than anything else....
:D
But i was talking to someone the other day who had a good analogy...He said, did Peyton Manning ever cry after all those tough losses? No.
There are a lot of guys like Manning, too..
That's all us Tebow bashers are saying...Im not saying he's a bad person for doing it...It's a minor issue, really......But IMO the crying almost makes it seem like ---he deserved to win and someone took it away..
Nope, there is another team out there Timmy..Sometimes you just congratulate them and move on to the next battle.
Hear that LEBRON????
Hines Ward cried last night after the Pitt loss. I'm assuming he'll be jumped all over, too.
Granted, losing to the Browns and losing to the likely eventual NCs is different.
I do find it ironic, however, that when you talk about the toughest QBs and WRs of all time, both of these guys are mentioned. Yet both cried. What does that tell me? It's not a big deal. I'm glad they care that much.
To each his own.
RSchmitz
12-11-2009, 11:30 AM
I think most people rag on Tebow because its funny watching their gator friends get pissed off about it. I'd be willing to bet that his respect level is still the same
TexasBolt
12-11-2009, 11:32 AM
Mardy Gilyard had a strong comment about Kelly quitting, how they were so close and how you shouldn't quit on the team before the job is done, etc. He's a senior but I wonder if would've made that comment if he had similar stats as a junior.
The part about "he left for the money" was especially dumb since Kelly helped make Gilyard into a potential first-round draft pick, meaning some team will give him millions of dollars in guaranteed money.
Sotnos
12-11-2009, 11:55 AM
That's all us Tebow bashers are saying...Im not saying he's a bad person for doing it...It's a minor issue, really......But IMO the crying almost makes it seem like ---he deserved to win and someone took it away..
Nope, there is another team out there Timmy..Sometimes you just congratulate them and move on to the next battle.
How someone would get this out of Tebow's behavior is beyond me, really. I've never gotten the "it's all about me" vibe from anything I've seen or read about him. I think Chad already outlined all the reasons why this was a big deal, it's not that complicated.
I seriously don't remember if Peyton ever cried or not. If he had I might have tempered my LOLing at his failures at ole rockytop with feeling sorry for the poor kid.
Yet both cried. What does that tell me? It's not a big deal. I'm glad they care that much.
:thankyou:
Maybe this is some macho thing that's going over some of our heads...I'd personally take the guy who gives enough of a crap to cry than a dozen who are indifferent.
timothy
12-11-2009, 12:35 PM
Maybe this is some macho thing that's going over some of our heads...
...and the fact that he's chosen to remain a virgin... machismo doesn't know what to do with that except to mock it.
CTLightning26
12-11-2009, 01:35 PM
Hines Ward cried last night after the Pitt loss. I'm assuming he'll be jumped all over, too.
Granted, losing to the Browns and losing to the likely eventual NCs is different.
I do find it ironic, however, that when you talk about the toughest QBs and WRs of all time, both of these guys are mentioned. Yet both cried. What does that tell me? It's not a big deal. I'm glad they care that much.
To each his own.
Ward's a jerk...but he was probably just reallly cold.
Avery86
12-11-2009, 01:45 PM
I think most people rag on Tebow because its funny watching their gator friends get pissed off about it. I'd be willing to bet that his respect level is still the same
Yep. I don't care if an athlete cries after a loss like that. In fact, I'd be glad to see it. I don't mean to say I think they should bawl, but yeah. As Chad said, I'd just be glad to see they care that damn much.
But a lot of Gators fans I know are something else. So I'll take every chance I've got to bag on 'em. :D
Then I remember that I'm a UCF fan. ;)
Maverick9911
12-11-2009, 02:06 PM
Whe remembers who won an also ran bowl anyway? Just ask FSU or Mizzou fan about their memories of their glorious bowl games of the last 5 years.
I can see Cincinnati fans being pissed since they still aren't used to the BCS (and by "used" I mean to the point where the Sugar Bowl is a consolation prize, a la Florida or FSU). I'll be going to the Gator Bowl this year but that's taken on an entirely different meaning this season.
I'd personally take the guy who gives enough of a crap to cry than a dozen who are indifferent.
:clap:
Flycoon
12-11-2009, 04:25 PM
...and the fact that he's chosen to remain a virgin... machismo doesn't know what to do with that except to mock it.
So true.
Meh everyone deals with stuff differently. I don't hold it against anyone whether they cry or don't cry as long as they aren't a CRYBABY. Tebow wasn't being a sore loser, so it's fine with me.
Needless to say, I couldn't give less of a crap about the rules of machismo. :p
jaydeedub
12-11-2009, 05:22 PM
I think most people rag on Tebow because its funny watching their gator friends get pissed off about it. I'd be willing to bet that his respect level is still the same
Haha! Yes... One of my close friends is getting her masters at UF... she takes it so damn personal though when I cracked on him about it... Then she had to turn on, what did your team do??? What was the Bulls final record again?? and blah blah...
But still, there's nothing more that I hate then the people who went to USF and they cheer for UF or FSU! UGH!
Maverick9911
12-11-2009, 05:28 PM
Haha! Yes... One of my close friends is getting her masters at UF... she takes it so damn personal though when I cracked on him about it... Then she had to turn on, what did your team do??? What was the Bulls final record again?? and blah blah...
But still, there's nothing more that I hate then the people who went to USF and they cheer for UF or FSU! UGH!
That's what irked me the most this weekend. My Gator friends and I weren't getting hammered by Bama, FSU or even fans/alums of other SEC teams who have at least achieved something of substance...it was all coming from the USF fairweathers who stopped going to the games once the regular mid-season slide began.
They'll be wearing their orange and blue on January 1st, though.
For the Gator fans on the board... It's almost becoming cliche, but yet another Tebow story.
Special Date for Tebow (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/sports/florida_gators/121009_No-awards-just-special-date-for-Tebow)
RSchmitz
12-11-2009, 06:23 PM
My gf has also gotten her masters from Florida and i've also graduated from USF and she also gives me crap..that is a hilarious and odd coincidence.
Anyways, i'm giving myself mad props here. After the game we were on the bed watching War of the Worlds, and it was right after Cruz goes into the basement and he figures out they were in there to die, and he starts to cry. I turn to my gf and I tell her, "Look at that, Tom Cruz just seen his son die and the world is coming to an end and he still isn't crying as much as Tim Tebow". Couch felt real comfy that night
CTLightning26
12-11-2009, 08:15 PM
My gf has also gotten her masters from Florida and i've also graduated from USF and she also gives me crap..that is a hilarious and odd coincidence.
Anyways, i'm giving myself mad props here. After the game we were on the bed watching War of the Worlds, and it was right after Cruz goes into the basement and he figures out they were in there to die, and he starts to cry. I turn to my gf and I tell her, "Look at that, Tom Cruz just seen his son die and the world is coming to an end and he still isn't crying as much as Tim Tebow". Couch felt real comfy that night
:D
jaydeedub
12-11-2009, 08:34 PM
My gf has also gotten her masters from Florida and i've also graduated from USF and she also gives me crap..that is a hilarious and odd coincidence.
Anyways, i'm giving myself mad props here. After the game we were on the bed watching War of the Worlds, and it was right after Cruz goes into the basement and he figures out they were in there to die, and he starts to cry. I turn to my gf and I tell her, "Look at that, Tom Cruz just seen his son die and the world is coming to an end and he still isn't crying as much as Tim Tebow". Couch felt real comfy that night
:thumb: Awesome! That's exactly something I'd say to my wife! And then I'd feel the same way right after... hahaha...
Sotnos
12-12-2009, 07:32 AM
For the Gator fans on the board... It's almost becoming cliche, but yet another Tebow story.
Special Date for Tebow (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/sports/florida_gators/121009_No-awards-just-special-date-for-Tebow)
What a great kid, he made that girl's year. :D
Couch felt real comfy that night
You will learn son, you will learn. :pound:
Flycoon
12-12-2009, 09:57 AM
My gf has also gotten her masters from Florida and i've also graduated from USF and she also gives me crap..that is a hilarious and odd coincidence.
Anyways, i'm giving myself mad props here. After the game we were on the bed watching War of the Worlds, and it was right after Cruz goes into the basement and he figures out they were in there to die, and he starts to cry. I turn to my gf and I tell her, "Look at that, Tom Cruz just seen his son die and the world is coming to an end and he still isn't crying as much as Tim Tebow". Couch felt real comfy that night
Say it under your breath in the bathroom next time. Then Rosie can stay away for a while.
timothy
12-12-2009, 09:44 PM
And the storied college football program at the University of Alabama finally has its first Hesiman winner ever. Congrats, Mark Ingram. Hopefully, you're not the last...
I had never heard him talk before. He carries himself like he's a little stuck up or arrogant, but that speech was fantastic. Impossible not to like the guy after that (not that I was trying). Loved it.
Oh, and in Alabama rival news...
You stay classy, Tennessee (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/sports/ncaafootball/12tennessee.html?_r=3&ref=sports)
(Follow up article today somewhere with kiffin quotes saying he's taking the investigationS this week as a compliment. It speaks to how well they're doing and people want to find out how. 1) You're not that good. There are still many schools in their range in recruiting rankings and he's not bringing in the elite recruits like USC, Bama, UF, etc continue to do and 2) Pimping young girls to get 18 year olds to go to your school isn't something to be proud of)
For as much good as the Ingrams, McCoys, Suhs, Tebows, etc bring to college football, this guy's on the other end.
TexasBolt
12-13-2009, 02:18 AM
Kiffin is such a fuckface. A trained seal could get kids to come to Tennessee and he's acting like people are jealous of him.
CTLightning26
12-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Can anyone tell me why people tend to defend Jim Leavitt outside the media?
He seems to me to be a total a***h**e
Do people fear him? Will he choke some guy? Will he punch them?
CTLightning26
12-15-2009, 08:37 PM
You stay classy, Tennessee (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/sports/ncaafootball/12tennessee.html?_r=3&ref=sports)
2) Pimping young girls to get 18 year olds to go to your school isn't something to be proud of)
.
Yeah, like no one else does that....
I can't wait til the Urban scandals begin
Sotnos
12-15-2009, 08:44 PM
Florida doesn't have to do stuff like that. :p
CTLightning26
12-15-2009, 09:03 PM
Florida doesn't have to do stuff like that. :p
:p
TexasBolt
12-15-2009, 10:08 PM
Can anyone tell me why people tend to defend Jim Leavitt outside the media?
Maybe because the one guy who breaks all these stories has a long-running vendetta against him and is wrong at least 80% of the time?
Maverick9911
12-15-2009, 10:46 PM
Can anyone tell me why people tend to defend Jim Leavitt outside the media?
Because...he built the program from a trailer back in 1997. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Donnie D
12-15-2009, 11:36 PM
And when he had the chance to leave for more money he stayed. He showed the loyalty that we all say we want out of a decent human being.
Even after that story broke, USF gained 3 recruits this week, stealing one from kiffin and another from Miami.
CTLightning26
12-16-2009, 09:08 AM
And when he had the chance to leave for more money he stayed. He showed the loyalty that we all say we want out of a decent human being.
I dunno...That's admirable.
But every interview I see he is a smart ass and says nothing and i hear he can be a real jerk at times.
Now i see the quote of him saying (assuming he said it) "I have the most power in this building."
Just don't like the guy..
CTLightning26
12-16-2009, 09:09 AM
Maybe because the one guy who breaks all these stories has a long-running vendetta against him and is wrong at least 80% of the time?
maybe he has a reason to have a vendetta..
matt24
12-16-2009, 09:52 AM
Even after that story broke, USF gained 3 recruits this week, stealing one from kiffin and another from Miami.
Signing day is still a month and a half away, a verbal really means very little until the kids sign the dotted line. And who's to know if those kids even saw the story that broke a day before USF getting those recruits. I'd be willing to bet Kiffin and Miami's coach are burning up the phones to let those recruits know that. And further, if your son was being recruited this year to go to USF wouldn't you want to wait until this mess is cleared up one way or another? Either way this incident could have a serious ripple effect on this seasons recruiting class.
And, if he is guilty, he should be fired on the spot! A college coach has ZERO reason to put his hands on a player/student, other than maybe grabbing shoulder pads or a face mask.
TexasBolt
12-16-2009, 11:21 AM
maybe he has a reason to have a vendetta..
Yes, just like every other stupid and lazy media member in Tampa, he gets pissy when information is not spoon-fed to him. That's a pathetic reason for a reporter to have a vendetta.
CTLightning26
12-16-2009, 02:36 PM
Yes, just like every other stupid and lazy media member in Tampa, he gets pissy when information is not spoon-fed to him. That's a pathetic reason for a reporter to have a vendetta.
You have a right to have that opinion and it may even be right in this case. Who knows?
But, until you walk mile in a sportswriter's shoes don't blame them for everything..
TexasBolt
12-16-2009, 07:17 PM
But, until you walk mile in a sportswriter's shoes don't blame them for everything..
OK, then until you walk a mile in Lawton's shoes, don't blame him for everything.
The Great Zo
12-16-2009, 07:22 PM
OK, then until you walk a mile in Lawton's shoes, don't blame him for everything.
Then I'm a mile away, and I have more expensive shoes than I started out with.
CTLightning26
12-16-2009, 09:04 PM
OK, then until you walk a mile in Lawton's shoes, don't blame him for everything.
where is all this love for Lawton coming from? Let him fricken win something first!!!!!
the_narrow_way
12-16-2009, 09:18 PM
where is all this HATE for Lawton coming from?
fixed that for you
He's been in charge for barely more than a season, and has totally revamped this team. Some deals turned out not so good, others were great. The two most important players underperforming now are from a time long before Lawton. How is that his fault? The players that are possibly revolting against another coach are Lawton's fault?
Donnie D
12-17-2009, 12:01 AM
And who hired the coach???
Going from memory, which ones have worked out. Malone, Nitty, Ohlund, Downie
the so so deals - Walker, Hale
Which ones haven't worked out . Luc, Prospal, Tanguay, Vrbata, Miller
The Great Zo
12-17-2009, 12:06 AM
I'm amused that an off-topic thread has gone off-topic and is now on-topic.
CTLightning26
12-17-2009, 08:46 AM
fixed that for you
He's been in charge for barely more than a season, and has totally revamped this team. Some deals turned out not so good, others were great. The two most important players underperforming now are from a time long before Lawton. How is that his fault? The players that are possibly revolting against another coach are Lawton's fault?
i give up...
I'm amused that an off-topic thread has gone off-topic and is now on-topic.
LOL I never would have guessed it would happen in a college football thread.
ESPN just reported Urban Meyer is stepping down as HC at Florida.
Health concerns cited as the reason. That's a good one.
Maverick9911
12-26-2009, 07:58 PM
Heart muscle condition, staying at UF in some capacity. That's the latest.
Decision explained. (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20091227/ARTICLES/912279987?Title=Meyer-I-have-to-focus-on-my-health-)
It looks like we (Gator fans) wouldn't have had him coaching much longer anyway.
Maverick9911
12-27-2009, 02:45 PM
And now he may come back after a "leave" while Addazio coaches the Sugar Bowl and possibly 2010?
:noidea:
Donnie D
12-27-2009, 04:55 PM
According to AP: "Less than 24 hours after he resigned, Florida coach Urban Meyer is instead taking an indefinite leave of absence that opens the door for his return to the Gators.
A person familiar with the decision told The Associated Press on Sunday that Meyer has changed his mind. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the school had made no announcement. The person familiar with Meyer's decision said the coach was with his players at a short practice on campus Sunday and realized he wasn't quite ready to call it quits."
He is still going to coach the Sugar Bowl. This is more than a bit strange.
Flycoon
12-27-2009, 05:29 PM
According to AP: "Less than 24 hours after he resigned, Florida coach Urban Meyer is instead taking an indefinite leave of absence that opens the door for his return to the Gators.
A person familiar with the decision told The Associated Press on Sunday that Meyer has changed his mind. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the school had made no announcement. The person familiar with Meyer's decision said the coach was with his players at a short practice on campus Sunday and realized he wasn't quite ready to call it quits."
He is still going to coach the Sugar Bowl. This is more than a bit strange.
Very odd. Not Donovan odd, but still odd. And he said in the press conference on ESPN that he may well be coaching the team in 2010 if his issues can be adequately addressed by that time.
Well I hope he can solve his health issues regardless..
CTLightning26
12-27-2009, 08:34 PM
Either walk away for a year or don't...Make up your mind Oscar.
Flycoon
12-27-2009, 09:18 PM
Either walk away for a year or don't...Make up your mind Oscar.
Blinded by hatred as usual, CT. Far as I know, no one associated with the Gators ever skated for the Bruins.
Undoubtedly just sour grapes. Being from CT big time college football was something played far, far away.
Actually, I'll bet you UConn wins a Big East title within the next 3-5 years. Coach Edsall is outstanding. He was DC at Georgia Tech under O'Leary and he was second on Tech's list behind Paul Johnson.
I'm glad Meyer is staying put, if for no other reason than the fact I don't want anymore big vacancies so that other programs will come sniffing around Paul Johnson. It came to light when there was some speculation about Notre Dame wanting PJ that Auburn actually touched base with him last year after Tuberville left.
I do think this whole episode is going to hurt UF in the long run, and that the balance of power is clearly in the SEC West now with Georgia and Tennessee being down (although Tennessee won't be for long).
Flycoon
12-28-2009, 08:04 AM
Actually, I'll bet you UConn wins a Big East title within the next 3-5 years. Coach Edsall is outstanding. He was DC at Georgia Tech under O'Leary and he was second on Tech's list behind Paul Johnson.
I'm glad Meyer is staying put, if for no other reason than the fact I don't want anymore big vacancies so that other programs will come sniffing around Paul Johnson. It came to light when there was some speculation about Notre Dame wanting PJ that Auburn actually touched base with him last year after Tuberville left.
I do think this whole episode is going to hurt UF in the long run, and that the balance of power is clearly in the SEC West now with Georgia and Tennessee being down (although Tennessee won't be for long).
This may hurt UF in the short run. If (when) Meyer comes back and the season is a success, all will be forgotten. The stadium, facilities, rep of the institution, as well as many deep pockets Bull Gators (Escalades, cushy summer jobs, etc) will keep UF a power for years. There will be lulls in the program as all programs hit when the supposed 5 star recruits turn out to have been middle of the pack guys, as USC is experiencing this year, but the advantages at UF are too great to be ignored.
I see the UF basketball back to backs as an aberration. Any potential recruit has to be positively underwhelmed with the O'Connell Center, is on a par with the Sun Dome (or whatever they call it these days) and is not SEC caliber.
Edsall is undoubtedly one of the better coaches in the Big East, but the bar is pretty low there now that Kelly has left for greener pastures. Dave Wannstedt? Jim Leavitt? Jed Clampett at WVU? Come on. Look at the success of Rich Rodriguez at Michigan. He was the previous premier coach of the Big East and now appears totally clueless.
Right you are about the SEC East. Very weak compared to the west.
We'll see if Meyer is deserving his rep when he returns to an offense with a QB who is not of the Alex Smith?Tim Tebow mold. Should be fun to see if he tailors his coaching to the talent he has or if he tries to force the proverbial square pegs.
Donnie D
12-28-2009, 08:52 AM
I guess Meyer just wanted to be shown that he was still loved even though he lost the SEC championship. Maybe a little, behind the scenes increase in perks too?
I think he looks like a guy who is torn between doing what he loves and what he needs to do. I don't think it will impact Florida football in the short run one bit the way it is playing out. He has one of the top recruiting classes in the country and with his announcement that he is returning, no one is able to back out. Other teams are going to raise the, will he still be there, question in the future and that might impact someone who is really undecided, just as other schools were able to use that against FSU.
CTLightning26
12-28-2009, 09:22 AM
Blinded by hatred as usual, CT. Far as I know, no one associated with the Gators ever skated for the Bruins.
Undoubtedly just sour grapes. Being from CT big time college football was something played far, far away.
Not really,
Just doesn't make sense if you have such health problems that you don't just take the year, get everything in order and say my goal is to be ready for the 2011 season.
You mean to tell me Gators AD would say no to that..to a year off with the strong hope he'd be back....That's what they did with Coach K.
1. His first priority should be his health and his family and it doesn't sound like his health concerns will be fixed that quickly.
Basically he would have 5 months off after signing day.
2. He shouldn't have put that out there that he could return in 2010, because i think it will hurt his recovery. And I do truly hope he gets better.
and PS: no big time football in Connecticut? Watch the Huskies knock off the old ball coach's team Saturday..:D
Flycoon
12-28-2009, 09:53 AM
I guess Meyer just wanted to be shown that he was still loved even though he lost the SEC championship. Maybe a little, behind the scenes increase in perks too?
I think he looks like a guy who is torn between doing what he loves and what he needs to do. I don't think it will impact Florida football in the short run one bit the way it is playing out. He has one of the top recruiting classes in the country and with his announcement that he is returning, no one is able to back out. Other teams are going to raise the, will he still be there, question in the future and that might impact someone who is really undecided, just as other schools were able to use that against FSU.
This incident should give Monte's demon spawn plenty of material for his witty one liners.
The stadium, facilities, rep of the institution, as well as many deep pockets Bull Gators (Escalades, cushy summer jobs, etc) will keep UF a power for years.
Didn't help Ron Zook.
Meyer's perceived flakiness, right or wrong, in this situation gives negative recruiting ammo for every program in the country that goes against Florida and the Gators will lose talent because of this. The balance of power between Alabama and Florida in the SEC was already starting to tip in the Tide's favor. It just went over the tipping point, and you might even see Florida fall behind LSU because of this. And, because Lane Kiffin doesn't mind emptying out the Tennessee penal system to field a team, it won't be long until the Vols are nipping at Florida's heels either.
Also, and I hate to say this because I hate the Seminoles with a blind undying passion and loved that Ga Tech's win in Tallahassee was the last nail in Bowden's coaching coffin, but Jimbo Fisher's going to have FSU seriously competing with UF again in the next 3-4 years.
Edsall is undoubtedly one of the better coaches in the Big East, but the bar is pretty low there now that Kelly has left for greener pastures. Dave Wannstedt? Jim Leavitt? Jed Clampett at WVU? Come on. Look at the success of Rich Rodriguez at Michigan. He was the previous premier coach of the Big East and now appears totally clueless.
Schiano at Rutgers doesn't suck. The Big East is underrated, IMO. For them to be this good so soon after the ACC stole Miami, Va Tech, and BC is fairly remarkable, in fact.
Maverick9911
12-28-2009, 07:55 PM
This incident should give Monte's demon spawn plenty of material for his witty one liners.
And now that little twerp is taking Rich Bisaccia from the Bucs. Next thing you know he'll be pulling a page from Fulmer's old playbook and try to use a sick relative as a recruiting tool.
Any potential recruit has to be positively underwhelmed with the O'Connell Center, is on a par with the Sun Dome (or whatever they call it these days) and is not SEC caliber.
The difference: UF packs it with fans that make it one of the craziest places to play. They aren't just coming in from the rain or to get away from the monotony of University Mall.
Zook didn't have nearly the opportunities or facilities that Urban had or created during his time there. He was destined to fail after they failed to grab Stoops or Shanahan and you just don't follow the Ol' Ballcoach and get a fair shake. I actually felt bad for the guy. He was coaching during my grad school tenure and the guy was public enemy #1 from the minute he signed his contract. As for Urban, if the idea of Saban lying his way through every program he's ever been in comes off cleaner to recruits than a guy attempting to juggle a career without killing himself in the process, well, they can have luck in Tuscaloosa or Knoxville cause I'd rather not have those types in Gainesville.
Also, and I hate to say this because I hate the Seminoles with a blind undying passion and loved that Ga Tech's win in Tallahassee was the last nail in Bowden's coaching coffin, but Jimbo Fisher's going to have FSU seriously competing with UF again in the next 3-4 years.
Totally random but the best game I ever saw during my four years at FSU was the Georgia Tech night game in 1999 where Joe Hamilton almost single-handedly took the Noles down. Electric.
Flycoon
12-28-2009, 08:49 PM
Schiano at Rutgers doesn't suck.
Good coach. Forgot him.
TexasBolt
12-29-2009, 01:14 AM
Schiano at Rutgers doesn't suck. The Big East is underrated, IMO. For them to be this good so soon after the ACC stole Miami, Va Tech, and BC is fairly remarkable, in fact.
Schiano is a real prick and I still think he's bolting for Penn State as soon as JoePa hangs them up, but he is a good coach. Randy Edsall is very underrated too. UConn has some real middling talent but he always gets the most out of them.
Schiano might go back to Miami if Randy Shannon doesn't pull it together soon. Miami should have won the ACC this year. They choked. Hard.
As for Florida's resources, all I can say is that it's foolish to presume that other programs aren't doing what it takes to keep up with the Joneses, and you have to admit it will be devastatingly effective for some people to recruit against Florida by saying: "Is Urban Meyer coming back? And for how long? What if he decides to leave before your bowl game?"
As for Urban, if the idea of Saban lying his way through every program he's ever been in comes off cleaner to recruits than a guy attempting to juggle a career without killing himself in the process, well, they can have luck in Tuscaloosa or Knoxville cause I'd rather not have those types in Gainesville.
I doubt very much that if Florida is failing to win SEC titles and is losing 2-3 ball games a season rather than 1, that many alumni will share your principles. We're talking about big time college football, and in big time college football the name of the game is to win pretty much at all costs. There's nothing Lane Kiffin is doing in recruiting that someone like Frank Beamer hasn't been doing for decades, and Beamer's been practically deified in Virginia for it.
Maverick9911
12-29-2009, 06:02 PM
I doubt very much that if Florida is failing to win SEC titles and is losing 2-3 ball games a season rather than 1, that many alumni will share your principles.
Oh without a doubt. This is why I just cut them a check for an annual alumni discount card as opposed to making personnel decisions (I'd have expunged Carlos Dunlap and Marcus Thomas from the record books immediately if I did).
Didn't watch the game and not a Noles fan but grats to them and Bobby Bowden for ending on a high note and beating WV..
Maverick9911
01-01-2010, 10:11 PM
And what a cold, wet game it was. I have to say that without a doubt, Alltell-Jacksonvile Municipal-Wayne Weaver Wants Tebow Stadium is a putrid piece of crap. What good is fitting 84,000 people inside if the walkways and tunnels are as narrow as a sidewalk? It was no fun trudging through a herd of boorish cattle trying to get into the damn game. It took me an hour and a half to get to my section and nearly that long to get out.
And don''t get me started on the West Virginia fans.
Gators just stomping all over the Kelly-less BearCats.. Pretty disappointing considering what it could have been at a glance.
Sotnos
01-02-2010, 09:07 AM
Yeah, I would've enjoyed it more if it was more competitive...and if it didn't take almost 4 hours.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 10:27 AM
Where are those defenders of Big Least football after the stomping of the Cincy and WVU getting handled by mighty FSU?
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 10:39 AM
Are you trying to troll Flycoon?
CTLightning26
01-02-2010, 12:09 PM
Where are those defenders of Big Least football after the stomping of the Cincy and WVU getting handled by mighty FSU?
UConn will beat South Carolina
I don't think anybody here said the Big East was anything but the worst BCS conference..
Maverick9911
01-02-2010, 12:31 PM
Where are those defenders of Big Least football after the stomping of the Cincy and WVU getting handled by mighty FSU?
"Tebow is leaving and Urban won't be there. USF will dominate them."
I don't agree with that BS but that's the response you'll get from those defenders from now until September. It pains me that I'll be in London that month and won't be at the Swamp to see that well-deserved Bull whipping.
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 12:43 PM
By all means, if you Gator fans can find reasons to smear dirt on us Bulls fans, go for it. It adds to the rivalry. But lets not make up quotes that any sane Bulls fan would refute on the spot.
Maverick9911
01-02-2010, 01:01 PM
By all means, if you Gator fans can find reasons to smear dirt on us Bulls fans, go for it. It adds to the rivalry. But lets not make up quotes that any sane Bulls fan would refute on the spot.
I've "met" a handful of sane ones, most on this board. Unfortunately, the tools are a bit louder and love to troll my FSU/UF boards, school, etc. It sucks for the good ones, wherever they are. Rivalry is being extremely generous, however.
Sotnos
01-02-2010, 01:20 PM
Rivalry is being extremely generous, however.
:nod:
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 01:34 PM
I don't understand then, if you don't consider it a rivalry, are you all just coming here to rub in our faces the disparity between the two schools? Your letting some idiots troll you on that message board, when you know in fact there isn't a chance in hell the Bulls win next season. Don't let them get to you, because if you follow their lead like a bunch of lemmings and spew that stuff on our neutral board you come off as a bunch of elitist jerks. Us Bulls fans deal with a lot more crap for being loyal to a scrub team than you Gator fans get, as long as you realize that its water under the bridge.
TBF has a point there..
What a terrible first half in Toronto, BTW.
Finally they go to Mike Ford and he rolls up some yards. What took so damn long?
Avery86
01-02-2010, 02:01 PM
Us Bulls fans deal with a lot more crap for being loyal to a scrub team than you Gator fans get, as long as you realize that its water under the bridge.
Oh yeah, and USF fans are just soooooo kind to UCF fans who are loyal fans of a team more "scrub" than USF.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 02:13 PM
Are you trying to troll Flycoon?
That is called a reality check, TBF. Big East basketball is big time, Big East football? Not so much.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 02:16 PM
By all means, if you Gator fans can find reasons to smear dirt on us Bulls fans, go for it. It adds to the rivalry. But lets not make up quotes that any sane Bulls fan would refute on the spot.
Rivalry? You must be kidding, unless you call Troy and Charleston Southern rivals too.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 02:19 PM
I don't understand then, if you don't consider it a rivalry, are you all just coming here to rub in our faces the disparity between the two schools? Your letting some idiots troll you on that message board, when you know in fact there isn't a chance in hell the Bulls win next season. Don't let them get to you, because if you follow their lead like a bunch of lemmings and spew that stuff on our neutral board you come off as a bunch of elitist jerks. Us Bulls fans deal with a lot more crap for being loyal to a scrub team than you Gator fans get, as long as you realize that its water under the bridge.
You brought up USF, I was talking about the Big East. Cincinnati, and WVU in particular.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 02:20 PM
I don't understand then, if you don't consider it a rivalry, are you all just coming here to rub in our faces the disparity between the two schools? Your letting some idiots troll you on that message board, when you know in fact there isn't a chance in hell the Bulls win next season. Don't let them get to you, because if you follow their lead like a bunch of lemmings and spew that stuff on our neutral board you come off as a bunch of elitist jerks. Us Bulls fans deal with a lot more crap for being loyal to a scrub team than you Gator fans get, as long as you realize that its water under the bridge.
You brought up USF, I was talking about the Big East. Cincinnati and WVU in particular.
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 02:20 PM
Offensive line is allowing too much pressure, they can't pick up the blitz
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 02:21 PM
You brought up USF, I was talking about the Big East. Cincinnati, and WVU in particular.
No, I didn't. Maverick did
If you weren't directing that toward USF, than I apologize. But the fans of just one Big East team frequent this board
TexasBolt
01-02-2010, 04:08 PM
Cincinnati gets a little bit of a pass for last night because all their coaches left or have one foot out the door. Kelly was the only thing that gave them a chance against the Gators. It looked like the Bearcats were plenty fired up but there was no one there who seemed to care about things like game planning.
No excuse for West Virginia losing to FSU. We've known Bill Stewart is a pinhead ever since he took over that program.
USF may want to consider ditching the spread if it can't even get cranked up against a mediocre team like Northern Illinois. The minute they got under center and started running the ball, they hit their stride and pounded the Huskies.
Maverick9911
01-02-2010, 04:47 PM
I don't understand then, if you don't consider it a rivalry, are you all just coming here to rub in our faces the disparity between the two schools?
That wasn't my intent at all and I apologize if it came across in such a fashion. I just get very irritated, very easily by the fairweather smack talking towards FSU and UF in other places and its hard for me to keep from the blanket statements.
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 06:04 PM
Its no problem, I realized you were directing it at a certain set of fans. I like to see the Gators do well, my girlfriend is from Florida. And I know those fans whom you are talking about. But ever since Leavitt got put on the medias radar because of the punching incident its been non-stop Bull bashing from every fan base, so at this point in time I share your irritation level.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 06:15 PM
No, I didn't. Maverick did
If you weren't directing that toward USF, than I apologize. But the fans of just one Big East team frequent this board
You aren't paying attention, TBF. There have been several discussions about the quality of overall play and coaching in the Big East.
Cincinnati gets a little bit of a pass for last night because all their coaches left or have one foot out the door.
Yep.
No excuse for West Virginia losing to FSU.
A small one: it was really a home game for FSU and Saint Bobby's last game. Plus, they got their QB hurt in the second quarter, and unlike FSU with Ponder being out, the frosh for WVU didn't get the practive or reps going into the bowl game to prepare.
As the fan of an ACC team, I can tell you that the Big East is catching up to our conference pretty fast. Again, remember, half these teams were in the CUSA a minute ago, so you have to grade them on a curve. That conference is coming, though. It's a testament to how deep the football talent is across the country.
CTLightning26
01-02-2010, 07:12 PM
UConn 20,
South Carolina 7
SEC goes down :happydance:
Interesting note at the Bolts game today: When a woman with a Gators shirt came on the jumbo tron, it sure sounded like there were way more boos than cheers.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 07:37 PM
UConn 20,
South Carolina 7
SEC goes down :happydance:
Interesting note at the Bolts game today: When a woman with a Gators shirt came on the jumbo tron, it sure sounded like there were way more boos than cheers.
Not surprised that SC lost. They play well on occasion and were probably looking at UConn as in inferior opponent, much as Arkansas is doing with ECU right now.
As for the Gators being booed, you haven't been around these parts for long if you haven't heard that before. They are treated much like ND or OSU in the Midwest, you love them or hate them. No happy medium.
Maverick9911
01-02-2010, 07:43 PM
They weren't saying "boo", they were saying "boo-urn", as in "boo-urn Lane Kiffin, burn." :D
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 07:45 PM
You aren't paying attention, TBF. There have been several discussions about the quality of overall play and coaching in the Big East.
I've been paying attention. I may have missed something, but I haven't seen anything from anybody indicating that the Big East is superior in any way to anything. If you can find it, I'll owe you an apology.
WaiverWire
01-02-2010, 09:22 PM
UConn 20,
South Carolina 7
SEC goes down :happydance:
Interesting note at the Bolts game today: When a woman with a Gators shirt came on the jumbo tron, it sure sounded like there were way more boos than cheers.
I was kinda :omg:when that happened, laughing, but :omg:.
Donnie D
01-02-2010, 10:40 PM
I'm not going to say that the big east is as good as the sec but the big east finished bowl play 6 - 2 and the sec is 4-4.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 10:59 PM
I'm not going to say that the big east is as good as the sec but the big east finished bowl play 6 - 2 and the sec is 4-4.
The SEC is 5-4 with AL yet to play. The real point here is there are waaaay too many bowl games. 6 - 6 teams being rewarded with a bowl appearance is much like every kid in little league getting a trophy.
Flycoon
01-02-2010, 11:05 PM
I've been paying attention. I may have missed something, but I haven't seen anything from anybody indicating that the Big East is superior in any way to anything. If you can find it, I'll owe you an apology.
If you want to take any discussion of quality of Big East football as "Bull bashing", have at it.
Good for UConn. Who cares if the SEC lost a game. The bigger story with that game is that team getting a big positive like this to end their tragic season.
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 11:55 PM
Ending the bickering. You came off as condescending and I pointed out why. If you weren't trying to be, than I apologize
RSchmitz
01-02-2010, 11:56 PM
The quality of bowl games the SEC played were better than the Big East also
Netminder
01-03-2010, 02:00 AM
The SEC is 5-4 with AL yet to play. The real point here is there are waaaay too many bowl games. 6 - 6 teams being rewarded with a bowl appearance is much like every kid in little league getting a trophy.
Lot like the 16 team playoffs in NHL.:noidea:
Flycoon
01-03-2010, 08:01 AM
Good for UConn. Who cares if the SEC lost a game. The bigger story with that game is that team getting a big positive like this to end their tragic season.
Personally, any loss for UT is a good loss. I'd root for OSU against them should the two ever meet for a National Championship.
Flycoon
01-03-2010, 10:12 AM
Lot like the 16 team playoffs in NHL.:noidea:
The difference is all 16 teams in the NHL playoffs have the possibility, however slim, of winning the cup.
The winner of Little Caesar's Bowl or the papajohns.com bowl get what, a trophy in the shape of one of those inedible pies? Thirty-four bowl games are being played this season. I don't think anyone can make a csae for all 68 teams being worthy of post season play due to on the field success. But the broadcast industry needs something to fill time.
Personally, any loss for UT is a good loss. I'd root for OSU against them should the two ever meet for a National Championship.
Well, that's a given. Absolutely. And the thought of going for OSU makes me sick to my stomach, but I would. I went for FSU in 98 when ut lucked (still can't explain how they beat Arkansas when Arky was running out the clock) into a championship game then got Marcus Outzen as FSU's QB.
timothy
01-03-2010, 11:03 AM
Personally, any loss for UT is a good loss.
Please refrain from using capital letters in reference to the athletic departments at either the university of tennessee or georgia. Not a rule around here, but a suggestion from the staff. ;)
Flycoon
01-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Please refrain from using capital letters in reference to the athletic departments at either the university of tennessee or georgia. Not a rule around here, but a suggestion from the staff. ;)
my bad.
One of the straightest arrows I know (college & hs) is actually paying out of state tuition for his son to attend that institution in knoxville. The goofy kid wanted to go to a somewhere that had excellent teams to root for. Seems book larnin' wasn't on the radar.
That choking sound you heard from Miami was Georgia Tech's offense. I'm so disappointed. Tech played more defense in that game than they did all season long and gave the offense the ball twice with an opportunity to go win the game and the two best players on the team choked. Nesbitt threw a pick and then Dwyer decided to run 10 yards in the wrong direction. It's infuriating. All they had to do was run their offense and not try to do too much and they'd have marched down and won by 4. Iowa's defense was tired. They were struggling covering the pitch. The game was right there. Choke. Choke. Choke.
All respect to Iowa. They're a well coached team and they don't beat themselves. But like the Georgia game, Tech gave that one away.
Flycoon
01-06-2010, 10:12 AM
I am astounded that Ferentz hasn't moved on to greener pastures.
timothy
01-06-2010, 10:33 AM
All respect to Iowa. They're a well coached team and they don't beat themselves. But like the Georgia game, Tech gave that one away.
It was there for the taking in the 2nd half after Johnson made some adjustments, but again, give props to the Iowa. They were prepared and their defense was outstanding. I believe the Iowa defensive coordinator had played against and beat a Paul Johnson offense before -- maybe an Aloha Bowl or something like that. They obviously had a game plan to take away the dive.
In the end, it was poor execution that did them in.
Iowa was giving Tech the pitch in the second half, which is why I'm not giving Iowa too much credit. The pitch is the thing you've got to stop against the triple option. I'd rather die by a thousand cuts on 3-4 yard dive plays than give up 10-15 years, miniimum, a pop by not covering the pitch man. If Tech kept running their offense instead of trying to throw the ball and/or if Dwyer didn't have a brain cramp and reverse field and run 10 yards in the wrong direction, Tech wins. It's just like the Georgia game where PJ outsmarted himself and called four straight passes to end the game. Just run the damned triple option. It's what they trained all year to do: down 3 and all they had to do was execute one drive to win the game, and they choked.
No Colt McCoy makes the rest of this exercise rather pointless. Grats Bama..
TexasBolt
01-07-2010, 11:05 PM
Texas better hope they have someone better than this ready to go by next fall or they may not even be top 20.
Wow we got a game now thanks to a Texas D that has hung in there long enough for the frosh to find his legs.
Netminder
01-07-2010, 11:39 PM
Texas better hope they have someone better than this ready to go by next fall or they may not even be top 20.
He looks pretty damn good right now.
Bama may have called off the dogs to soon.
It is Really true Defence wins championships.
Not sure what the 3rd Qt plan was,need to scrap it.
Would like to have seen both teams, have a loaded gun's,but that is the way it goes.
Maverick9911
01-12-2010, 08:50 PM
Guess Lane Kiffin couldn't cut it in the SEC. Enjoy your sanctions at USC, you baby.
TexasBolt
01-12-2010, 09:06 PM
Guess Lane Kiffin couldn't cut it in the SEC. Enjoy your sanctions at USC, you baby.
As a Gators fan, is this moment better than your three national titles? Because if you say yes, I can totally understand.
Maverick9911
01-12-2010, 09:38 PM
Nowhere near that, but very sweet indeed. (I try to ignore the first Gator title since it came at FSU's expense :()
If they aren't severe sanctions, that team's going to be scary with those coordinators. Jesus. That's pro talent with two of the best pro coordinators.
Maverick9911
01-12-2010, 11:32 PM
Holy crap, he got Norm Chow to defect from UCLA. Wow.
CTLightning26
01-13-2010, 01:23 AM
Too bad...No beatdowns by the Vols over the Gators now..:D
Flycoon
01-13-2010, 10:08 AM
As a Gators fan, is this moment better than your three national titles? Because if you say yes, I can totally understand.
I'm disappointed. I was looking forward to a new round of NCAA sanctions at UT in 2 - 3 years. This should totally bag their recruiting class.
I am disappointed in Monte, he should have retired. Seems he is an enabler to his punk ass kids.
Monte's thinking possible crystal football in a couple of seasons rather than building up a program over a half decade and having to rise out of the SEC just to get a chance to win a crystal football.
Yes, Oregon and Stanford and even Arizona's programs got better this season, but they aren't Alabama, Florida, or LSU. Kiffin's going to get more talent, face a lower level of competition, and he's going to be in a very glitzy media market. You would also presume he got a pay raise out of this, too. That's just a damned good job, as long as the Bush and McKnight sanctions aren't awful.
Flycoon
01-13-2010, 07:34 PM
Monte's thinking possible crystal football in a couple of seasons rather than building up a program over a half decade and having to rise out of the SEC just to get a chance to win a crystal football.
Yes, Oregon and Stanford and even Arizona's programs got better this season, but they aren't Alabama, Florida, or LSU. Kiffin's going to get more talent, face a lower level of competition, and he's going to be in a very glitzy media market. You would also presume he got a pay raise out of this, too. That's just a damned good job, as long as the Bush and McKnight sanctions aren't awful.
Lane is a punk. I expected better from Monte. Seems he is still a helicopter parent.
TexasBolt
01-13-2010, 08:28 PM
Pete, I think you're seriously overrating Lane's coaching ability. I've never seen someone manage a loss as well as Lane managed the Florida game. He had no interest in winning, he just wanted to keep the score close and try to win the press conference afterward. He will do the same thing against Oregon and Stanford and any other quality team, just so he can use the "we're getting there" line and keep his job.
Maverick9911
01-13-2010, 08:46 PM
The way things are going, he'll be coaching the Patriots by 2012.
Pete, I think you're seriously overrating Lane's coaching ability.
I think LSU won a crystal football out of the much harder SEC with a certifiable dumbass when it comes to managing game situations as their coach, and Les Miles didn't have Monte or Norm Chow as backup.
Flycoon
01-13-2010, 10:31 PM
I think LSU won a crystal football out of the much harder SEC with a certifiable dumbass when it comes to managing game situations as their coach, and Les Miles didn't have Monte or Norm Chow as backup.
Truer words were never spoken. Can anyone think of a successful coach as stupid as Miles?
TexasBolt
01-13-2010, 10:32 PM
I think LSU won a crystal football out of the much harder SEC with a certifiable dumbass when it comes to managing game situations as their coach, and Les Miles didn't have Monte or Norm Chow as backup.
Every time he rolled the dice that year it came up 7. And at least he was trying to win, unlike Kiffin who was trying not to lose by too many points so he could claim progress.
All I'm saying is that at USC, you don't have to roll the dice as much.
Donnie D
01-14-2010, 08:51 AM
USC is a huge step up from Tennessee, which I consider a very good but not one of the elite programs.
USC is up there with Oklahoma, Ohio State, Texas, Florida and Alabama as football factories.
Tennessee is a nice program, but even though they draw 100,000 a game, they are a step below with the Oregons, LSUs, etc.
Just my opinion. I think others would have a different list, but I think there would be agreement that USC is in the powerhouse category.
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