Around the NHL Off-season

[Sotnos]

Time to kill the other one

http://boltprospects.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1471

[chad]

From the Cup final to mid-July is one of my favorite times of the year in hockey circles. So many trades, the draft, RFAs, UFAs...

If Vinny is getting dealt, it's going to be this week.

[Sotnos]

From the Cup final to mid-July is one of my favorite times of the year in hockey circles. So many trades, the draft, RFAs, UFAs...
It's a fun time for people who like to follow such stuff (which I do). The off-season is also fun because it's the only time of year when all the Panther fans come out, flapping their gums about how "this year will be the one"!!!

If Vinny is getting dealt, it's going to be this week.
Thanks for that cheery thought!

[timothy]

From the Cup final to mid-July is one of my favorite times of the year in hockey circles. So many trades, the draft, RFAs, UFAs...

I modified the 3 blockers on the top of the front page over on the main site to have a quik-look place to track all the off-season movement.

[CupChamps2004]

The off-season is also fun because it's the only time of year when all the Panther fans come out, flapping their gums about how "this year will be the one"!!!

Should make playoffs this coming season.

[Thunderstruck]

If Vinny is getting dealt, it's going to be this week.

Unless they feel like they have to do something with Vinny before Ottawa sets the market with Heatley, they would be better served to wait until the draft gets closer. Which is exactly why you are right.

The off-season is also fun because it's the only time of year when all the Panther fans come out, flapping their gums about how "this year will be the one"!!!


They will be hard pressed to do that with their savior J-Bo leaving for nothing!

[chad]

I meant to say between now and the draft, but put "week" for some reason.

[Hoek]

I modified the 3 blockers on the top of the front page over on the main site to have a quik-look place to track all the off-season movement.

Nice touch.

[Sotnos]

Should make playoffs this coming season.How many years in a row have we heard that one? That's my point exactly.

[The Great Zo]

Derian Hatcher has retired, and joined the Flyers coaching staff as player development coach.

Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AnQdp5WZhS0toj2isZPCELJ7vLYF?slug=ap-flyers-hatcherretires&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[aapbolt]

any news on Sullivan and our assistant coaching position? or better yet any rumors?

[chad]

Last on Sully was Lawton telling him it's been enough time and they're going to move on. The door is slightly open for his return, but at this point, it's highly doubtful.

Dineen's name was mentioned in DC's blog, I think.

[CTLightning26]

Last on Sully was Lawton telling him it's been enough time and they're going to move on. The door is slightly open for his return, but at this point, it's highly doubtful.

Dineen's name was mentioned in DC's blog, I think.

From what i heard, he didn't interview in Minnesota....Could he be a candidate in New Jersey?
I dunno, maybe he is just waiting for July 1 to sign on as Torts assistant.

[chad]

I dunno, maybe he is just waiting for July 1 to sign on as Torts assistant.

The definite leader in the clubhouse... if we're talking about Sullivan.

[CupChamps2004]

I dunno, maybe he is just waiting for July 1 to sign on as Torts assistant.

Why wait?

[Sotnos]

Why wait?
Presumably he's under contract

[Bolthed]

Don't know if I'm the first to opine on this, but ... Dineen would be an EXCELLENT assistant and a head-coach-in-waiting. Considering that Tocchet is anything but a proven commodity, this would be a fantastic hire.

[CTLightning26]

Don't know if I'm the first to opine on this, but ... Dineen would be an EXCELLENT assistant and a head-coach-in-waiting. Considering that Tocchet is anything but a proven commodity, this would be a fantastic hire.

Hope he and his wife would like to move here from Portland.

[CupChamps2004]

Presumably he's under contract

Has had permission for ages to talk to other teams, but not even hearing rumors even if technically can't sign. Would think Rangers would have said something if interested.

[CTLightning26]

Sorry, put this on the wrong thread:::

Brian Burke on NHL Live:

"Luke Schenn is going nowhere...He'll be our captain in a few years."

He also said he has a lot of strong opinions about the Phoenix Coyotes situation, but no one in the NHL can comment on it right now..

[astro]

"Luke Schenn is going nowhere...He'll be our captain in a few years."



then NO number 2 pick for him

[Randy]

Mr. Burke, you gotta give something to get something. And about all you have to give is Luke Schenn. So if Schenn is untouchable, you will have a quiet trade period.

On a related note, it never ceases to amaze me about Tomas Kablerle. Leafs fans portray him as a lights out defensive player who every other team can't live without. But when you go to other boards such as HF Boards and look at trade proposals coming from Leafs' fans, Kaberle is mentioned in every one. Great player, reasonable contract and he's trade bait. One wonders why they don't want to keep a dman of his high caliber for next year.

Well Leafs' fans, if he's not good enough for you, then he's certainly not good enough for anyone else.

[CTLightning26]

Mr. Burke, you gotta give something to get something. And about all you have to give is Luke Schenn. So if Schenn is untouchable, you will have a quiet trade period.

On a related note, it never ceases to amaze me about Tomas Kablerle. Leafs fans portray him as a lights out defensive player who every other team can't live without. But when you go to other boards such as HF Boards and look at trade proposals coming from Leafs' fans, Kaberle is mentioned in every one. Great player, reasonable contract and he's trade bait. One wonders why they don't want to keep a dman of his high caliber for next year.

Well Leafs' fans, if he's not good enough for you, then he's certainly not good enough for anyone else.

Well, he said on NHL Live that it really doesn't make sense to trade him because he'd have to go out and get a puck-moving d man and it would cost him more.

[Sotnos]

Well, he said on NHL Live that it really doesn't make sense to trade him because he'd have to go out and get a puck-moving d man and it would cost him more.
Words to live by *cough cough cough*

[jaxbolt]

When is the draft this year?

[Matt]

When is the draft this year?

1st round is next Friday, the other rounds are next Saturday.

[aapbolt]

I heard on the little dogs show, via Whitney that the Sens are trying to honor heatley's request and trade him, and that they are working on a trade. That should make things interesting, and should spark many more Vinny trade rumors also.

[The Great Zo]

Ovechkin participated in a motion-capture session for 2K sports, for rendering their models of NHL players in their video game.

He re-created the "stick on fire" routine.

Does anyone know if there's a stronger term for "tacky?"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Ovechkin-brings-the-hot-stick-celebration?urn=nhl,170845#remaining-content

[CTLightning26]

TSN reports:

Sedins want matching $63 million, 12-year contracts.

[Jester47]

Wow

[Sotnos]

Here's a link (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282198)

Not sure what to think of this, imo Zetterberg is better all around than either of them.

[WaiverWire]

Here's a link (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282198)

Not sure what to think of this, imo Zetterberg is better all around than either of them.

My thoughts also. In fact if I had a choice of the two or Zetterberg, I would take Zetterberg.

I do not think that the two are worth the long term contract. Wonder if they will finally be playing for different teams.

[Wrong Net Paulie]

Sedins are good but uh... don't know about that kind of money.

[TexasBolt]

It's $5.25M per year which is actually kind of reasonable for those two IMO. It's just the length of the contract that's so off-putting, that and their almost scary desire to keep playing together.

I could see them getting somewhere around that salary but not for 12 years.

[chad]

Per Dregor on Twitter, the Canucks have rejected the Sedins' offer.

[Sotnos]

I could see them getting somewhere around that salary but not for 12 years.
Same here. The per year is fine, the length of contract is more than I would sign them for.

[timothy]

TSN reports:

Sedins want matching $63 million, 12-year contracts.

2 Sedins = 1 Lecavalier

[Hoek]

Ovechkin participated in a motion-capture session for 2K sports, for rendering their models of NHL players in their video game.

He re-created the "stick on fire" routine.

Does anyone know if there's a stronger term for "tacky?"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Ovechkin-brings-the-hot-stick-celebration?urn=nhl,170845#remaining-content

Wow I know what hockey game I'm definitely not getting this year..

[Sotnos]

Dudley quits (http://blackhawks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=425969) to "pursue other opportunities"

Here it comes...

[timothy]

Dudley quits (http://blackhawks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=425969) to "pursue other opportunities"

Here it comes...

:rave:

[Thunderstruck]

Dudley quits (http://blackhawks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=425969) to "pursue other opportunities"

Here it comes...

And there he goes...from the "gifts that keep on giving department" say hello to the new associate general manager of the Atlanta Thrashers....

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/ccustance.tsn/193797

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[chad]

Wow. Waddell may have finally found someone to make him look good.

Just... wow.

[The Great Zo]

And there he goes...from the "gifts that keep on giving department" say hello to the new associate general manager of the Atlanta Thrashers....

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/ccustance.tsn/193797

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:


:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Matt]

Hell of a combo there.

[Jester47]

And it could not happen to a better team!

[Sotnos]

I did run across something this afternoon mentioning Atlanta, but I thought it'd be to replace Waddell...this is ten times more funny!

[Hoek]

LOL.. Brilliant!

This pretty much guarantees Kovalchuk won't be maturing any time soon with all the Russian love to be shared.

[Sotnos]

I just read the TSN article...apparently Duds NEVER worked for us! I'm copying this before they fix it (if they fix it).

Dudley's career behind the bench began in 1982 when he was hired as head coach of the Buffalo Sabres. He remained in Buffalo for three seasons before being fired in 1992. He didn't find work in the NHL again until he was a mid-season replacement for the Florida Panthers in the 2003–04 season.

Dudley was the general manager of the Ottawa Senators in the 1998–99 season before moving into the front office of the Blackhawks' organization in 2004, hired as a consultant before becoming assistant general manager in 2006.


I invite TSN to hire me as an editor & all around fact-checker at only twice my current salary, I think they need me. Not only did they forget one of his GM jobs, their timeline makes no sense whatsoever.

Compare that to what's currently on wikipedia:
Rick began coaching the next year, 1982–1983, after retiring as a player. He coached in the ACHL, IHL, and AHL, before finally getting a head-coaching job in the NHL with the Buffalo Sabres in the 1989–90 season. While coaching in the IHL, in 1988, he won the Commissioner's Trophy for the Coach of the Year. He coached the Sabres for three seasons before being fired in 1991–92. He then spent the next four seasons coaching three different teams in the IHL, and wouldn't make an NHL coaching appearance again until he was the mid-season replacement for the Florida Panthers in the 2003–04 season. He was the general manager of the Ottawa Senators in the 1998–99 season.
Coincidence? I think not

[Avery86]

Wow. TSN pulling from Wikipedia?

[Sotnos]

Wow. TSN pulling from Wikipedia?
Looks like it. I'd bet the Blackhawks site (or media guide which you'd assume TSN has laying around) has a better bio than that & it would've been just as easy to look up! Whoever wrote that piece needs to be canned.

[Coldrice]

Shameful.... Saw your comment there Sotnos, wonder how long it will take for it to be edited. Anyway, WTF is this all about? :ohmy:

Money Not Well Spent? (http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/sports/nhl/dpgo_NHL_Players_Sue_Over_MLB_Porn_Parties_mb_0618 2009_2588298)

[aapbolt]

Well now we know for certain that the Trashers will occupy the bottom of the NHL for a good many years. I wonder how many russians they will draft and how many had already signed with the KHL. Egads....R2 is traded to the trash for their 1st choice in this years draft...Wow what a trade!!

[WaiverWire]

Look I am not a Dudley fan but I think we had better keep a very close eye on Atlanta. While here Dudley did bring us a few pieces of the team we needed to win Stanley. He also was able to bring us that top notch goalie that no one else could get here.

And since being in Chicago the team has drafted some nice youth and has made a remarkable turnaround, one I would love to see us make.

[Netminder]

Well now we know for certain that the Trashers will occupy the bottom of the NHL for a good many years. I wonder how many russians they will draft and how many had already signed with the KHL. Egads....R2 is traded to the trash for their 1st choice in this years draft...Wow what a trade!!


Whoa down,they got to get past the Ligthing to get to the Bottom, Unless a lot of things change on Channelside,that may not be easy to do.:rolleyes:

[TexasBolt]

I did not think Ray Emery being signed by the Flyers could be topped, and yet Dudley getting hired by Waddell has surpassed even that. And we're not even out of June yet!

[Sotnos]

Anyway, WTF is this all about? :ohmy:

Money Not Well Spent? (http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/sports/nhl/dpgo_NHL_Players_Sue_Over_MLB_Porn_Parties_mb_0618 2009_2588298)
Can't wait to hear more about this one. The original TMZ story named Sydor as one of the guys that got ripped off.
Look I am not a Dudley fan but I think we had better keep a very close eye on Atlanta. While here Dudley did bring us a few pieces of the team we needed to win Stanley. He also was able to bring us that top notch goalie that no one else could get here.
I'll keep a close eye on them alright, as they circle the drain. :D He did a LOT more harm than good. Atlanta's main task is to keep Kovalchuk, which won't be easy.
And since being in Chicago the team has drafted some nice youth and has made a remarkable turnaround, one I would love to see us make.
How much did he have to do with it? A lot of their young talent were slam dunk early picks. As (I think) Pete said before, Duds' stamp up there was probably bringing in Alexeev.

Besides which, Waddell's still there, it's the blind leading the blind!

[CTLightning26]

with the 4th pick in the NHL draft, the Atlanta Thrashers select Dmitri Kulikov.
with the 34th pick in the NHL Draft, the Atlanta Thrashers select Dimitri Orlov
with the 45th pick in the NHL draft, the Atlanta Thrashers select Sergei Chvanov

[chad]

Our spies in Eastern Siberia tell us there are three prospects worthy of final round picks that NO ONE has ever seen before! We will trade future higher picks so we can gobble up these unfound gems and reap the benefits for years to come!

[WaiverWire]

TSN reports:

Sedins want matching $63 million, 12-year contracts.

Kind of funny that the media ripped the pay of corporate execs when the economy took a down turn but say nothing about the pay pro players are asking.

[Avery86]

Kind of funny that the media ripped the pay of corporate execs when the economy took a down turn but say nothing about the pay pro players are asking.

I don't think what the Sedins are asking for (other than the length of the contract) is a very good example of your point.

MLB on the other hand ....

[Sotnos]

Kind of funny that the media ripped the pay of corporate execs when the economy took a down turn but say nothing about the pay pro players are asking.Meh, at least they're doing something somewhat useful. I wouldn't pay a corporate exec money to watch him do anything. There is money being made, either it goes to the players or it goes to the owners. :noidea:

I don't think what the Sedins are asking for (other than the length of the contract) is a very good example of your point.

MLB on the other hand ....
Yeah, some of those salaries are pretty astonishing, the NBA & NFL too. Make hockey salaries look like chicken feed.

[CTLightning26]

Kind of funny that the media ripped the pay of corporate execs when the economy took a down turn but say nothing about the pay pro players are asking.

Kinda apples and oranges.
i think, among other things, the problem people have with corporate execs are that they get bonuses when their companies aren't performing well or getting govt. assistance.

[CTLightning26]

NHL Live reports Florida will have some news in about an hour...
a/me GM?
b/gn Bouwmeester?
c/traded Bouwmeester's rights?
d/ sale being finalized

also
Greg Logan from Newsday will b on later in the show, saying he thinks the Islanders will pick Matt Duchene....

[Sotnos]

Probably about the sale being finalized

[CTLightning26]

Probably about the sale being finalized

ok, i added d late. lol

[CTLightning26]

actually, none of the above...

acquired the rights to Steve Reinprecht and signed him to a three-year deal

[chad]

For Stefan Meyer.

[CTLightning26]

OK, i thought i'd throw this in for a real good laugh. Here's the first trade proposed by a blogger on Hockey Buzz who apparently covers the Canes:
:D


1) Tuomo Ruutu and Anton Babchuk for Martin St. Louis and a decent pick or prospect. The big issue with the 1st line wing for Staal deal is that top line wings are just hard to find and expensive. St. Louis is signed for 2 years at $4M/year. (His cap hit is higher but that number is mostly irrelevant to the Canes.) Is he the perfect, big young space-making wing with scoring skills a la Corey Perry? No. But his price is very reasonable, even in his 30s he skates well enough to hang with Staal and Whitney, he can finish and he plays with the fire and intensity you want. In terms of what we are giving up, I think you can make an argument that you are only giving up 1 "very valuable" player in Ruutu. I like Ruutu. He fits with the Canes. But you must give up something to get something. Personally, I think you unload Eaves and his contract in some kind of deal to get out of it. He has had multiple chances to fit in the top 9 and has not done it. At $1.55M/year for the next 2 years, he is too expensive for the 4th line. And I would rather spend the top 9 ice time on Boychuk and/or Bowman than a 4th or 5th try with Eaves at this point. Babchuk is the hard 1. Rutherford must decide if he thinks Babchuk fits in the Canes top 4. If he does, then you probably do not trade him. If he does not fit in the top 4, then maybe you are better moving him while his value is high. Remember that we are suddenly deep with young defensemen who need ice time.

For anyone who gripes how much younger St. Louis is than Ruutu, I don't buy it. St. Louis is under contract for 2 years. Ruutu will be probably signed for 2 or 3 and then be an unrestricted free agent. So the length of time you keep Ruutu for sure is 1 year longer at worst. And based on injury history, you could argue that St. Louis is likely to be good for more games than Ruutu anyway.

But why would this make sense for Tampa? 2 reasons: 1-The build around St. Louis and Lecavalier plan has now failed for multiple years in a row and St. Louis is not getting any younger. 2-The Bolts have a lot of holes right now and coming off another bad year, they are going to have a tough time attracting good free agents for the right price. This trade gives them 2 NHL roster players for 1 and both players are fairly young.

[Sotnos]

This trade gives them 2 NHL roster players for 1
And as we all know, quantity>quality.

[Sotnos]

Shameful.... Saw your comment there Sotnos, wonder how long it will take for it to be edited.
1-It has not been fixed.
2-I think Duds' relatives and a heap of 'turd fans have all commented on there now about how great he is, it's pretty comical.

[Avery86]

But his price is very reasonable, even in his 30s he skates well enough to hang with Staal and Whitney, he can finish and he plays with the fire and intensity you want.

Oh, so I guess Ray Whitney isn't 37 years old. Yeah, ol' slow-poke Marty can only just hang with the speedster that is Ray Whitney.

[Hoek]

LOL..

The build around Staal and Whitney plan has failed for multiple years in a row too. :P

Staal for Vrbata and Prospal?

[CTLightning26]

staal for vrbata and prospal?

lol.

[CTLightning26]

This is one Eklund dream i wish were true if the Isles pick Hedman

One team stands out however when it comes to having what Tampa needs (in a deal for Tavares).

Nashville.

The Preds have two All-Star caliber D men in Weber and Suter. Weber may be the best in the NHL in his class.
Now another source, out of Montreal in this case, said very clearly that he believes the Lightning would take Weber for Tavares straight up. He also believes that Suter +the Preds #1 + a young D prospect would also get it done.
Obviously, no one wants to move Weber or Suter.
However, and this is a direct quote from a Nashville source: "If you are in the Nashville situation, with all the young d-men in the system, the need for Pizzazz, and the fact you get Johnny T at rookie money for three years....you consider it with every bone in your body...."
---
I would do Weber for Tavares in a second. Two years at $4.5 and he's still an RFA after that.
KINDA DOUBT THE PREDS WOULD THOUGH, but this second deal, they might
I would strongly consider Suter, No. 11 pick (Kassian, Ellis, Rundblad, Kulikov, Glennie?) and a prospect for Tavares

[Hoek]

Yeah I read that too. For Weber definitely, but I don't know about Suter.

Oh well no need to worry about it now since Ek already blew it.

[WaiverWire]

Kinda apples and oranges.
i think, among other things, the problem people have with corporate execs are that they get bonuses when their companies aren't performing well or getting govt. assistance.

Apples and oranges? Not in my little pea brain mind.

I am sure that almost all sports teams have players that get a bonus when a team is out of it. Do you have a guaranteed contract that even if you do not preform you keep your job and get paid? Also do not forget that sports teams are one of the most public supported businesses. Who pays for the stadiums? Who gets the exemptions for paying taxes on the property they control?

My point was that just how much money is enough? Would it not be nice if payroll was under $25,000,000 and the savings were passed along to those that support the teams? Would it not be nice to be able to take a date to a game, sit in the lower section and have something to eat, have a drink or two, without having to pay $300.00 just so that someone who is playing a game can make 5, 6 or $9,000,000 a year?

[CTLightning26]

My point was that just how much money is enough? Would it not be nice if payroll was under $25,000,000 and the savings were passed along to those that support the teams? Would it not be nice to be able to take a date to a game, sit in the lower section and have something to eat, have a drink or two, without having to pay $300.00 just so that someone who is playing a game can make 5, 6 or $9,000,000 a year?

In a perfect world. yes. I totally agree
providing entertainment is just a little different than screwing up businesses and losing people money.

[WaiverWire]

In a perfect world. yes. I totally agree
providing entertainment is just a little different than screwing up businesses and losing people money.

Ah, yes the losing of money. There is a big difference between the two as in a business the stock holders have a choice as to who is in charge. If they do not like the way the business is being run then they have the right as a stock holder to cast a vote and try to make a change. However due to stockholder apathy or the apathy of those that invest in mutual funds, bonds, etc we have what we have.

[Sotnos]

Brent Sutter soon to be named coach of the Flames (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282428)

Shocking, I know

[bc_bolts]

RDS reporting that the Habs have been bought buy the Molson family for about 550 million

[Sotnos]

RDS reporting that the Habs have been bought buy the Molson family for about 550 million
Nice little chunk of change!

[bc_bolts]

Nice little chunk of change!

Especially since the Molson family already had a partial stake in the team

[PEIBolt]

TSN reporting Brent Sutter is final negotiations to become head coach of the Flames.

[Sotnos]

TSN reporting Brent Sutter is final negotiations to become head coach of the Flames.
http://boltprospects.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43193&postcount=79

:p

[missK]

TSN reporting Brent Sutter is final negotiations to become head coach of the Flames.

I'll tell you what, if he does take the Flames job that's BS IMO. He still had a active contract with the Devils and by taking another coaching job in the NHL that sets a bad precedent.

[Sotnos]

I'll tell you what, if he does take the Flames job that's BS IMO. He still had a active contract with the Devils and by taking another coaching job in the NHL that sets a bad precedent.
Lou has to allow it in order for it to happen. I think he should let Sutter twist in the wind frankly, if he wants to coach it should be NJ or screw him.

[missK]

Lou has to allow it in order for it to happen. I think he should let Sutter twist in the wind frankly, if he wants to coach it should be NJ or screw him.

I agree. Not to be a hard nose but if Brent really needed to be Calgary because let's say someone in the family was seriously ill I wouldn't have a problem with. But if it is just to help out his brother that is BS. Hopefully it's just the rumor thing. I don't see how Lou or the NHL would like it.

[CTLightning26]

I would bet Brent cleared it with Lou.

[Matt]

I would bet Brent cleared it with Lou.

I doubt he'd be able to take the Calgary job without Lou's permission. From what it sounds like he wants to be closer to his family and that's probably what he told Lou. If Lou felt he was lied to, he wouldn't give Sutter permission to negotiate with Calgary. I don't think he snaked his way out of Jersey like I've seen Devil fans suggest on other boards.

[Netminder]

Lou has to much class to play childish game's. If asked the right way.he will say Adiós.

[gphockey]

The first round of the draft will be held Friday, June 26 (7 p.m. ET, VERSUS, TSN, RDS).
Rounds 2-7 will be Saturday, June 27 (10 a.m. ET, NHLN, RDS).

[chad]

NHLN on the onscreen guide had the draft on for Friday night - but that was last week. I wonder if it was a mistake.

Sorry Tim.

[timothy]

NHLN on the onscreen guide had the draft on for Friday night - but that was last week. I wonder if it was a mistake.

Sorry Tim.

Yeah it is/was. I set my timers yesterday. NHLN is doing a tape delay reply of the 1st round on Saturday at 1am. Since I don't have Versus... I'll just monitoring the draft with you guys from the chat room and online, and then get up early Sat morning and watch the 1st round stuff before the live broadcast of rounds 2-7. At least I'll be able to jump over all the commercials.

[bolts37205]

there is a disconnect between me and spread sheets even though there is lots of objective (factual?) information contained within. I downloaded the following and gathered that over the last 15 yrs (not including 2008-2009) we rank 20th as an organization that got our picks to eventually play in the NHL. 1st round picks are almost guaranteed to make it and once you get to the 5th round it is almost equal in chances of making it to the NHL for any succeeding round. Pavel Kubina was probably the best 7th round Dman pick for the entire NHL for the time period covered and lots more that just wears me out checking the data. If you want to download and decipher, then the following will give way more than is needed draft info:

http://www.4shared.com/file/112338259/9b041dfa/Draft_History_94-Present_v2.html

Of course I took the risk of assuming that the person putting this information up for perusal had no biases, so I took the shortcut of looking at it from the downloaded interpertation which is way easier than digging through the raw numbers. The title that got me there was that Detroit is not that great at drafting, indeed only San Jose seems to qualify as great:

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/6/21/920352/detroit-isnt-that-great-at

[Hoek]

Yeah it is/was. I set my timers yesterday. NHLN is doing a tape delay reply of the 1st round on Saturday at 1am. Since I don't have Versus... I'll just monitoring the draft with you guys from the chat room and online, and then get up early Sat morning and watch the 1st round stuff before the live broadcast of rounds 2-7. At least I'll be able to jump over all the commercials.

Hasn't NHL.com streamed it before? At least I remember watching it on that once.. That may have been because VS. wasn't showing it though..

[CTLightning26]

Ray Ferraro on "Lightning Hockey Night" tonight

7 p.m.

[bolts37205]

but he will be first round material and not likely to be in any of our reported trading partner draft slots except maybe the Preds. That is the sure ticket to great media coverage, no wait that did not work with Barry did it?

[CTLightning26]

watching NHL All-Access on the NHL network and it's an interesting look at the 2002 draft, listening to what he GMs are talking about trades and stuff...if you have a chance sometime, give it a watch..

at one point, they show Bryan Murray taking a phone call before he takes Joffrey Lupul 7th...its from the Lightning, asking whether he wants to trade the pick....Bryan Murray says "for Lecavalier?"
LOL

It also shows George McPhee trying to trade at least one of his three No. 1 picks with Washington...He can't and gets Steve Eminger, Alexander Semin and Boyd Gordon...

---
I guess similar shows on the 2004 and 2005 drafts will be on at 3 p.m. and 10 p.m. respectively..

[WaiverWire]

Ontario court has ruled that the NHL has been under funding into the pension fund. They owe at least an additional $30,000,000 plus they owe some widows for short changing them in pay outs over several decades.

[gphockey]

Any interest in this goalie? Apparently he is checking out the NHL.

http://hockeydraft.ca/blog/index.php/2009/06/18/jonas-gustavsson-checking-out-nhl-clubs/

[gphockey]

You tube highlight reel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHWRComg7L4&feature=related

[Sotnos]

Interesting mention on NHL Live that the Panthers may be looking to move Bouwmeester now in order to get something for him. Time's a ticking on that one.

[CTLightning26]

Interesting mention on NHL Live that the Panthers may be looking to move Bouwmeester now in order to get something for him. Time's a ticking on that one.

apparently they are asking for a No. 1...

[timothy]

apparently they are asking for a No. 1...

:giggle:

[Sotnos]

:giggle:
Have to agree. For negotiating rights for a week? For a guy that Potvin (who's watched him a ton) said is not a #1 & probably never will be? Good luck.

[CupChamps2004]

Heard conditional - #1 if team signs him, less if don't.

[Sotnos]

More Olympic than NHL, but Canada's coaching staff will be Babcock assisted by Ruff, Hitchcock and Lemaire. http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=12192.html?cid=rsstsn

[timothy]

Jeff Reese to be named (http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Source-Flyers-Replace-Longtime-Coach-Lem=1&blockID=60634&feedID=704) new PHI goalie coach.

[Sotnos]

Jeff Reese to be named (http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Source-Flyers-Replace-Longtime-Coach-Lem=1&blockID=60634&feedID=704) new PHI goalie coach.
Interesting. Not sure if the goalie coach was the problem but whatever.

Poor Reese, he likes guys with work ethic and now he's working with Emery.

[Sotnos]

McGuire finally coming to his senses & includes Marty in his Olympic (http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=12173.html?cid=rsstsn) team.

Vincent Lecavalier (Tampa Bay Lightning) - He should be fine to be on the team depending on injuries. He didn't have one of his best seasons this year because of injuries and the strange situation that was the Tampa Bay Lightning this season. He's a great player, and you need quick-strike offense, and he's one of those guys. He's versatile and can play centre or wing, so he can create that offense.

Steven Stamkos (Tampa Bay Lightning) - He's very dynamic. He's got world-class skill and tremendous intelligence. He's won at every level in every sport he's ever played. This will be so interesting to watch. The age factor may be as it was for Crosby and Phaneuf when they weren't chosen to go to the 2006 Olympics. Age will be part of the equation but not all of it.

Martin St. Louis (Tampa Bay Lightning) - He had a great year under very trying circumstances in Tampa Bay. He was extremely competitive and had great chemistry with Steven Stamkos. He wants to be part of the solution not part of the problem.

[Wrong Net Paulie]

McGuire finally coming to his senses & includes Marty in his Olympic (http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=12173.html?cid=rsstsn) team.

Did he just not watch how well Marty and Stamkos played together on Team Canada recently? That alone i'd take the both of them on, christ they looked amazing.

[Wrong Net Paulie]

Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Brian Burke said he has offers out across the NHL map to swap draft picks, but hasn't received any bites yet.

"Everyone's being entirely unreasonable," he said as he left Wednesday's board of governors meeting.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Business/Wild+ready+recruit+executive+from+Sens/1729924/story.html

I am the super GM and people aren't giving me what I want!!

[Sotnos]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Business/Wild+ready+recruit+executive+from+Sens/1729924/story.html

I am the super GM and people aren't giving me what I want!!
LOL

I hope we continue to be entirely "unreasonable" with Burke. This high pick should help us out a lot.

[Wrong Net Paulie]

LOL

I hope we continue to be entirely "unreasonable" with Burke. This high pick should help us out a lot.

Its like you really start seeing the ego come out. Brian Burke wants something and YOU should bend to his will.

How does no rub you?

[Matt]

Did he just not watch how well Marty and Stamkos played together on Team Canada recently? That alone i'd take the both of them on, christ they looked amazing.

Stammer looked good there, but he's not going to make the team just because of that. He'd have a better chance if he were a wing, but look at the center spot for Canada: Crosby, Staal, Vinny, Getzlaf, Towes, Mike Richards, Savard, Thornton, Carter. That's stacked and Marty would produce with any of those guys. Unless Stamkos absolutely dominates next season, I doubt he gets on the team over those guys. He's got a better shot if they decide to go to the 2014 games.

[chad]

TSN says Burke has received a significant deal for Kaberle.

[CTLightning26]

TSN says Burke has received a significant deal for Kaberle.

rights to Bouwmeester and a player/pick?

[chad]

Lawton reminds GMs to talk to him (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282850)

[Sotnos]

Lawton reminds GMs to talk to him (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282850)
I put that in the ownership thread. http://boltprospects.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43858&postcount=127

I'm just glad to see they updated the picture, the other one they had there made him look like a smug idiot <insert a lot of jokes here>.

[Sotnos]

New TSN video up with more about Kaberle & supposedly more about our "dysfunction". Must go in my office so I can use the sound...

Re: Bouwmeester, the last I read they're asking for a 3rd now (per Dreger at TSN)

[Matt]

New TSN video up with more about Kaberle & supposedly more about our "dysfunction". Must go in my office so I can use the sound...

Re: Bouwmeester, the last I read they're asking for a 3rd now (per Dreger at TSN)

Kaberle: Dreger suspects that one of the suspected five teams in the Bouwmeester bidding has pulled out and sent the offer to Toronto. Leafs original plan was to hold on to him after July 1st and trade him to a team that lost out in free agency.

Our disaster: Lawton sent that out because there may have been some teams going around Lawton and talking to the owners. Lawton basically saying you guys have final say on moves, but I need to be able to do my job.

[astro]

supposedly, Ryan Clowe is rumored to be available.

[Sotnos]

Cap expected to be finalized soon. The players (very short term thinkers I guess) have decided to go with the 5% inflator, so it should be around $57.1 mil.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282925

[Donnie D]

Probably discussed in the chat room when it happened.

[Hoek]

Selanne to stay another season with Ducks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-ducks-selanne&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Scott Niedermayer tells Ducks he’ll be back (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AjaPQY8f0rlHrET3h8ymgh0mvLYF?slug=ap-ducks-niedermayer&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Oh and a link corroborating Donnie's post..

Flames acquire potential free agent Bouwmeester (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=Aui3YsZOXT3nmjMXNYhiWPImvLYF?slug=ap-nhldraft&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[Matt]

It's everyone's favorite agent (http://www.nypost.com/seven/06282009/sports/rangers/offer_for_zherdev__antropov_likely_out_176500.htm) !

Sather meanwhile categorized the contract demands from impending unrestricted free agent Nik Antropov, whom the Blueshirts acquired from Toronto at the deadline for a second-round pick, as "ridiculous."

"Based on the first volley from [agent] Mark Gandler, there is a slim chance [of Antropov returning]," the general manager said following the fifth round of the Entry Draft. "There's a snowball's chance in hell that's going to happen. It's ridiculous. I hate to criticize an agent, but let's have a little bit of reality here."

Antropov, who scored seven goals in 18 regular-season games for the Blueshirts but was barely a factor in the first-round defeat by Washington, earned $2.05 million last year. He's believed seeking a long-term deal for at least $5 million per. Good luck to him.

[CTLightning26]

Hehe. Antropov $5 mil per, Hehe.
But, i bet a desperate Montreal signs him after they realize Vinny isn't coming, for like $4 mil or something like that

[Branko]

Hehe. Antropov $5 mil per, Hehe.
But, i bet a desperate Montreal signs him after they realize Vinny isn't coming, for like $4 mil or something like that

I heard if they can't get Vinny, they will maybe try go after Briere too.

[TexasBolt]

Hehe. Antropov $5 mil per, Hehe.

When you can't even get Glen Sather to overpay for you, then you know you're asking for too much money.

[Sotnos]

When you can't even get Glen Sather to overpay for you, then you know you're asking for too much money.
:pound:

[the_narrow_way]

Why does anyone employ Mark Gandler? That guy is a POS.

[aapbolt]

Because its Gandler I would not be surprised to see Antropov sign with the KHL.

[Randy]

With a reported 5 mil asking price, Russia could definitely be in Antropov's future.

[timothy]

D Brendon Bell will not receive a QO from OTT and will be a UFA on July 1.

[timothy]

CAR resigns Jussi Jokinen to a two-year $3.4M contract ($1.5M+1.9M).

Sharks do not qualify RFA's Lukas Kaspar and Marcel Goc.

[timothy]

COL did not qualify Cody McCormick

[cromag]

COL did not qualify Cody McCormick

I thought they re-signed him a few days ago?

Nevermind, it was Cody McLeod that got re-signed by the Av's.

In that case, I would like this kid on our 3rd or 4th line.

[CTLightning26]

I'd take a look at Marcel Goc

[The Great Zo]

Dave Bolland re-ups with Chicago for 5 years at $3.375 million a year.

Bill Guerin re-ups with Pittsburgh for 1 year at $2 million.

[CTLightning26]

Dave Bolland re-ups with Chicago for 5 years at $3.375 million a year.

Bill Guerin re-ups with Pittsburgh for 1 year at $2 million.

man, that's a lot for Bolland. He;s good, but...

[Branko]

I'd love it if we braught in McCormick.

[TexasBolt]

man, that's a lot for Bolland. He;s good, but...

I guess they have little to no interest in resigning Khabibulin if they're giving Bolland $17M for 5 years.

[Avery86]

I wouldn't mind Lawton taking a look at Goc for a third or fourth line role.

[nhljohnson]

I wouldn't mind Lawton taking a look at Goc for a third or fourth line role.

Did Goc play the wing any in San Jose? He's listed as a center and to play that here, we'd have to trade Halpern or place Chewy on the wing.

If Halpern was to move...is Goc effective on the PK?

[timothy]

Goc is a big faceoff guy. Like to the tune of about 65%.

[gphockey]

Anyone heard of this guy?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283314

[Sotnos]

Anyone heard of this guy?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283314
Yes. Don't know tons about him but it's a Norrena-like story (late bloomer goalie out of the SEL).

Could be getting hype due to the sad state of this year's UFA crop of goalies, though who knows.

[CTLightning26]

nicknamed "the monster"

[gwf82]

Haha at Gainey tying up his cap for Gomez of all people :)

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283329

[Maverick9911]

Clearly this is because Brian Lawton wants Scott Gomez here to sell tickets to the Hispanic community of Tampa. V4 for Gomez, right? Right??

[Hoek]

Who is Dpug Janik? Is he related to Doug?

LOL @ Montreal.. Hell of a plan B there, Gainey.

[Randy]

Yes OK hockey has made some moves that at best can be called dubious and some downright bad. But Gainey trading Higgins for Gomez is a shocker.

But this one by Gainey certainly matches anything OK Hockey has done. And if you go to other boards before this, the Habs fans were touting Gainey as the best, most honorable GM in the NHL. Go over to HFBoards and read what these former supporters are saying right now. It's not pretty. One day riding high, next day down in the mud.

Just a horrible trade from the Habs POV. And what a happy day for the Rags.

One positive note, taking on Gomez's 8+mil per year cap hit should put the last nail in the coffin of the rumor of V4 to Montreal.

[gwf82]

Look for the Vinny to NYR rumor for 6 hours now that Sather has money to play with because you know its burning a hole in his pocket haha

[CTLightning26]

great trade for the rangers...
If they don't get Heatley, they go after Mike Knuble..
if they could either dump Rosival or Zherdev, they are golden

[astro]

Haha at Gainey tying up his cap for Gomez of all people :)

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283329

:roflmao:

[CTLightning26]

:roflmao:

would't be surprised if they bring in Olli Jokinen... geez they are small up the middle

[Sotnos]

LOL @ Montreal.. Hell of a plan B there, Gainey.
Indeed. Who in heck thought this was a good idea?
would't be surprised if they bring in Olli Jokinen... geez they are small up the middle
He's othewise occupied, as far as I know.

[CTLightning26]

Indeed. Who in heck thought this was a good idea?

He's othewise occupied, as far as I know.

trade..Calgary needs space to sign JBo

[Sotnos]

Eklund (yeah yeah I know) sez that the Sedins have been signed. He's having the HF type problems where your server can't keep up with the demand.

[Sotnos]

trade..Calgary needs space to sign JBo
That's one heck of a conclusion to jump to, but OK.

Habs are always small & soft, what makes you think they're looking to change? :p

[Sotnos]

I just moved all the discussion about which d-men the Bolts should get to its own thread.

http://boltprospects.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1905

[gphockey]

I am guessing the Rangers make a serious run at Heater now. Wicked goal scorer.

[bassassin]

As CTLightning predicted the Flames sign Bouwmeester 5 years $6.6 million per year, according to TSN.

[CTLightning26]

That's one heck of a conclusion to jump to, but OK.

Habs are always small & soft, what makes you think they're looking to change? :p

yep. let's keep them that way...They lost some toughness and class with Higgins. horrible trade.

[CTLightning26]

As CTLightning predicted the Flames sign Bouwmeester 5 years $6.6 million per year, according to TSN.

not a bad deal for Calgary,, less than Boyler.

[TexasBolt]

I am guessing the Rangers make a serious run at Heater now. Wicked goal scorer.

What about Hossa? You can probably get similar production out of him at a lower price. Or is he damaged goods after his finals no-show?

[Sotnos]

not a bad deal for Calgary,, less than Boyler.
There are certainly reasons for that

[astro]

Heatley could go to the Oilers for Smid, Penner and Cogliano. He's been asked to waive his no trade clause.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283356

[The Great Zo]

Heatley could go to the Oilers for Smid, Penner and Cogliano. He's been asked to waive his no trade clause.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283356

Thornton-to-SJ part deux.

[CTLightning26]

Thornton-to-SJ part deux.

thats a great deal for Ottawa, espcially if it got done before midnight,,,

[Matt]

Mckenzie says Heatley nixed the deal.

[Bolthed]

Honestly, it wasn't that great a return for a superstar like Heatley. Smid is talented but he's a third-pair guy who hasn't gotten his game together. Same for Penner, who had to be dragged through the mud publicly by his coach just to work hard enough for his sucky production. Colgiano is a nice player, but he's a second-liner at best, maybe just a good third-liner on a contender. He and linemate Sam Gagner regressed last season after looking dynamic as rookies.

Honestly, can't Ottawa do better than that? It's not a BAD return, but that trade would only have brought an infusion of young talent on paper. Classic quantity for quality.

Nice try, Edmonton.

[TexasBolt]

It's officially July 1. Let the extreme stupidity begin! :watching:

Seriously, this is my favorite time of year in the NHL outside of the playoffs.

[astro]

Honestly, it wasn't that great a return for a superstar like Heatley. Smid is talented but he's a third-pair guy who hasn't gotten his game together. Same for Penner, who had to be dragged through the mud publicly by his coach just to work hard enough for his sucky production. Colgiano is a nice player, but he's a second-liner at best, maybe just a good third-liner on a contender. He and linemate Sam Gagner regressed last season after looking dynamic as rookies.

Honestly, can't Ottawa do better than that? It's not a BAD return, but that trade would only have brought an infusion of young talent on paper. Classic quantity for quality.

Nice try, Edmonton.

the problem is that everyone knows that he wants to be moved, basically lowering his value.

[Sotnos]

Nice try, Edmonton.
Apparently it was, since the Sens accepted it but Heatley won't waive his NTC. Spoiled brat, just lowered his trade value even MORE.

[CTLightning26]

Honestly, it wasn't that great a return for a superstar like Heatley. Smid is talented but he's a third-pair guy who hasn't gotten his game together. Same for Penner, who had to be dragged through the mud publicly by his coach just to work hard enough for his sucky production. Colgiano is a nice player, but he's a second-liner at best, maybe just a good third-liner on a contender. He and linemate Sam Gagner regressed last season after looking dynamic as rookies.

Honestly, can't Ottawa do better than that? It's not a BAD return, but that trade would only have brought an infusion of young talent on paper. Classic quantity for quality.

Nice try, Edmonton.

Well IMO, Cogliano is a realy good offensive player and Penner is a guy that has potential to be a really good power forward if he gets his head on straight. If you get those two alone by jettisoning a non-winner type of player who wants out like Heatley, that's good return.
I think you are rating Heatley only on his numbers...He is below superstar status, way below

[CTLightning26]

In Heatley's defense, i would not want to live in Edmonton either
i think he wants to go to LA or Anaheim, but LA looks like it's getting Havlat and Anaheim could get Koivu and others

[Sotnos]

In Heatley's defense, i would not want to live in Edmonton eitherWell, no one does, no NHL players at least!

No need for defending that guy, he decides after a few months that he can't get along with his coach?! Puh-lease, he could stand a few lessons from his friend Vinny about putting up & shutting up.

[CTLightning26]

Well, no one does, no NHL players at least!

No need for defending that guy, he decides after a few months that he can't get along with his coach?! Puh-lease, he could stand a few lessons from his friend Vinny about putting up & shutting up.

o, i agree. Im just saying he'd probably want to go anywhere but Edmonton and a few others.

[Randy]

You can just feel the love flowing between Heatley and the Sens management. But it would not surprise me to see the Rags make a play for Heatley since they pawned off Gomez to the Habs yesterday. Cleared up enough cap for Heatley in NYC.

Question is, can Sather bend over Murray like he did Gainey yesterday.

[aapbolt]

Sather made a dump and got roses...how funny and pathetic for the Habs.

[Randy]

Looking at the Gomez trade, Gainey got so used by Sather on this one. I can only imagine what Lawton's asking price was for Vinny. Gainey has now been shown to have been desperate to get a center. Lawton stuck to his guns and didn't give him up for nothing.

I think Gainey's stock and reputation has taken a hit on this deal alone.

[Acehawk74]

According to this guy (http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/articles/2009/07/01/gomez_goes_from_rangers_to_canadiens/) - The offer from Montreal was:

Markov
Price
2 Firsts

He also referred to Vinny's clause as a NTC, not a NMC. Yay for thorough journalism!

Big, big, big difference.

[Acehawk74]

Guys, do you know if TSN or NHL.com is streaming TSN's coverage of this before Noon? I really don't want to watch a radio talk show to cover this today.

Man, I need to find some way to get TSN in the states.

[chad]

According to this guy (http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/articles/2009/07/01/gomez_goes_from_rangers_to_canadiens/) - The offer from Montreal was:

Markov
Price
2 Firsts

He also referred to Vinny's clause as a NTC, not a NMC. Yay for thorough journalism!

Big, big, big difference.


Writer uses the word "likely," meaning it's either pure speculation, or he's not allowed to reveal it completely as truth.

[Acehawk74]

That's what I figured.

Nonetheless, interesting were that the offer.

[Sotnos]

That's what I figured.

Nonetheless, interesting were that the offer.
It is, that's WAY more than we ever heard they were willing to give up.

[Sotnos]

Guys, do you know if TSN or NHL.com is streaming TSN's coverage of this before Noon? I really don't want to watch a radio talk show to cover this today.
I'd settle for a ticker, haven't seen one yet. :(

NHL Network is going to TSN's live coverage from 2-4 today if that helps.

[The Great Zo]

NHL.com is doing live streaming of the same -- I believe that starts at 2 PM but I could be wrong.

[Jester47]

TSN has a ticker up: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=11850

[Sotnos]

TSN has a ticker up: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=11850
Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted :)

[The Great Zo]

Feaster is in the panel on the TSN2 live Free Agent Frenzy coverage. Just started at noon.

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/nhl-icehockey/40135-nhl-free-agency.html

[CTLightning26]

Guys, do you know if TSN or NHL.com is streaming TSN's coverage of this before Noon? I really don't want to watch a radio talk show to cover this today.

Man, I need to find some way to get TSN in the states.

TSN coverage is on NHL Network from 2-6 p.m.
if you have it

[The Great Zo]

OHLUND signs with Tampa -- posted in the PuckDaddy "chat box" twitter stream from the USA Today twitter. Take that for what it's worth until we get it confirmed...

[TexasBolt]

Sort of related to hockey - Stars owner Tom Hicks's holding company had to take a $15M loan from Major League Baseball to make the Texas Rangers' last payroll. He also has a $525M loan from the group's purchase of Liverpool FC that he couldn't even make interest payments on. Basically he is in debt up to his eyeballs and it's widely assumed he will have to sell the Rangers. But he may end up losing enough money on the sale that it would send Hicks Sports Group (which also owns the Stars) into bankruptcy.

The Stars have basically a full roster under contract and even with the Skrastins signing today they are still a good $13M under the cap. Their budget is apparently even lower than the Lightning's budget. I would say they are in a good amount of trouble if fans don't show up to games this fall.

Notice you don't hear a peep about this from the Canadian media. It's all Lightning Lightning Lightning circus circus circus.

http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/index.php/2009/07/02/texas-rangers-go-silent-over-chatter-mlb-has-loaned-team-money/#more-8723

[Hoek]

Well I hope he manages to dump the Rangers. I don't want to see the Stars go..

I really don't know why all these guys found it so trendy to jump on the EPL bandwagon. It's actually a bit late of them to get on now..

[Sotnos]

Notice you don't hear a peep about this from the Canadian media. It's all Lightning Lightning Lightning circus circus circus.
The Stars are their poster child for "successful southern franchise", they don't want to dump on that I guess.

I think he said before he wants to sell the Rangers, sounds like he'd better do it quick. Like you said though, if he takes a loss on that it could get really ugly.

[TexasBolt]

I think more people are willing to invest in baseball here than hockey. But it's still tricky. His most likely buyer is Nolan Ryan since he's already around and he's probably the most interested party. But Nolan also knows how screwed up things are with the Rangers' finances. Having that knowledge, I'd think he would offer less money than anyone else.

So either Hicks can get drowned by Nolan, or there may not be anyone who wants to buy. Either way, he's in trouble and by extension, so are the Stars.

[WaiverWire]

Wasn't it within the last month or so that Hicks said the Rangers were for sale? He went onto say that the NHL was his love and he would never part with the Stars?

[Sotnos]

Wasn't it within the last month or so that Hicks said the Rangers were for sale? He went onto say that the NHL was his love and he would never part with the Stars?
I think it's in the Phoenix thread, but yes he's been looking for a while. Neither him or the former Habs owner wants to give up their football club when that's what seemed to overextend them.

[TexasBolt]

I think he likes the cost certainty with the Stars. He rarely gets involved in the day-to-day of the Stars like he often does with the Rangers. (Which is probably why the Stars have made the playoffs just about every year while he's owned them, while the Rangers never get anywhere.)

[pete]

TSN is reporting Ryan Smyth has been dealt to the Kings. No details on what is going the other way.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283667

[Avery86]

TSN is reporting Ryan Smyth has been dealt to the Kings. No details on what is going the other way.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283667

Kyle Quincey, Tom Preissing and a 5th.

[The Great Zo]

^ What he said.

[astro]

Kyle Quincey, Tom Preissing and a 5th.

Wow ... what a great trade!..... for the Kings

Quincey was picked up on waivers. Preissing was a free agent signing.

I liked what I saw in Quincey, but it was worth trading him to get Smyth. Preissing was a huge disappointment with a big contract. The Kings won't miss him.

[RSchmitz]

Smyth was a FA signing too though...I think Gainey is looking like an idiot honestly, look at what he gave up for Gomez...

[RSchmitz]

So glad we got him....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JkNW_yGsQ

[chad]

Big mistake by TB last year passing on Quincey.

[Hoek]

Isles fans will have plenty of time to boo Hedman as he shuts down Tavares and scores a game winning goal on the power play. :p

[Sotnos]

Isles fans will have plenty of time to boo Hedman as he shuts down Tavares and scores a game winning goal on the power play. :p
Good answer :D

[astro]

Big mistake by TB last year passing on Quincey.

he's going to be a good defenseman. i didn't understand why they passed on him.

what i was trying to say about Preissing.... is that he was a free agent signing making way too much money. he didn't fit in the kings system and was unwanted. there was lots of talk of a buyout. the fact they were able to get rid of his huge salary and pick up smyth was very nice.

smyth meet your new teammate jack johnson

pjb9Xy2UnWc

[timothy]

Big mistake by TB last year passing on Quincey.

Especially at the time when we had so many issues on the blueline. It just made zero sense.

[Bolthed]

So all of you soothsayers KNEW Quincy would have such a shocking breathrough season? :hmmmm:

[astro]

I don't think that I saw this posted anywhere.

The Blackhawks are under investigation whether they filed the qualifying offers correctly. If they are found to been filed incorrectly, several players, including Cam Barker and Kris Versteeg, could become unrestricted free agents.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283634

edit: i see it in another thread.... beat me by 15 minutes.

[RSchmitz]

What? No broken fax machine?

[Goboltz56]

So all of you soothsayers KNEW Quincy would have such a shocking breathrough season? :hmmmm:

I knew he was already good, but I saw him play in Grand Rapids for 2 years.

[RSchmitz]

So all of you soothsayers KNEW Quincy would have such a shocking breathrough season? :hmmmm:

Was he worse than Koci?

[timothy]

So all of you soothsayers KNEW Quincy would have such a shocking breathrough season? :hmmmm:

I'd seen him play for the Red Wings in the Traverse City prospects tourney for a few seasons. He was definitely another Picard-in-waiting. The moment he hit the waiver wire, there were a number of us here lobbying for the Lightning to claim him.

Feel free to search the archives if you're curious.

Ok... I'll do the work for you: http://www.boltprospects.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19293&postcount=35

[chad]

Knew of breakout? No.
Knew that he was as good a WW pickup for a defenseman you'll find? Yes.
Knew that we were in desperate need of NHL depth at D and players that could skate? Yes.

[Dman21]

Just read that the Leafs have signed the goalie known as "The Monster". I think it was for 800,000 or 900,000 dollars.

[timothy]

Just read that the Leafs have signed the goalie known as "The Monster". I think it was for 800,000 or 900,000 dollars.

Apparently Lawton was making a last minute pitch to his agent even though Gustavvson had narrowed his choices to 4 teams...

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Andy-Strickland/Brunnstrom-Frogren-Still-Recruiting-Gustavvson/5/21978

Andy Strickland is one of the better bloggers at hockeybuzz and beats for the Blues.

[CTLightning26]

Just read that the Leafs have signed the goalie known as "The Monster". I think it was for 800,000 or 900,000 dollars.

can any of you CBA experts tell me why Gustavsson couldn't sign for more than the rookie minimum and Fabian Brunnstrom could???

age?

[TexasBolt]

I'm surprised Detroit didn't get him or even try hard to get him with all the Swedes on their roster and Osgood not getting any younger. Unless they really think Jimmy Howard is ready.

[chad]

Speaking of Detroit - they're not immune to the KHL effect. Jiri Hudler signed with Dynamo.

[TexasBolt]

Speaking of Detroit - they're not immune to the KHL effect. Jiri Hudler signed with Dynamo.

Now that is going to sting. They were counting on Hudler stepping it up without Hossa and Samuelsson. He had something like 60 points last year even though he was only playing 11-12 minutes a night.

[bassassin]

Now that is going to sting. They were counting on Hudler stepping it up without Hossa and Samuelsson. He had something like 60 points last year even though he was only playing 11-12 minutes a night.

He isnt necessarily gone, apparently he is still trying to get a contract done with Detroit, just that is his plan B, and some very good leverage in contract negotiations.

[gphockey]

He isnt necessarily gone, apparently he is still trying to get a contract done with Detroit, just that is his plan B, and some very good leverage in contract negotiations.

Perhaps an iffy source, but sounds like he is serious.

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/hudler_on_why_he_signed_with_dynamo_moscow/

[Avery86]

Perhaps an iffy source, but sounds like he is serious.

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/hudler_on_why_he_signed_with_dynamo_moscow/

Last quote of the article (emphasis mine):

Hudler did tell CTK that he informed Mike Babcock and several teammates of his decision, but he also stated that he still wants his North American agent, Petr Svoboda, to take the Wings to arbitration.

[ThorBolt]

The arbitration thing actually makes sense. Didn't someone say that most rulings are for one or two year deals and then you are a UFA. Well it looks like he is setting himself up to be a UFA once he returns from the KHL. Sort of a reverse Ramo thing where the team is locking up the players rights.

[Bolthed]

I'd seen him play for the Red Wings in the Traverse City prospects tourney for a few seasons. He was definitely another Picard-in-waiting. The moment he hit the waiver wire, there were a number of us here lobbying for the Lightning to claim him.

Feel free to search the archives if you're curious.

Ok... I'll do the work for you: http://www.boltprospects.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19293&postcount=35

Just don't tell me you knew he'd post nearly 40 points or I'll know you're all bullshitting. :coolwink:

But really, I am trying to point out that foresight on Quincey isn't as easy to claim as hindsight. The context of your brilliant post, Tim, is all about Lundin - a guy we are STILL discussing what to do with. Well, last year we were worried about losing Lundin while needing a righty veteran defensive dman. Sound like Quincey? No.

In hindsight, was Quincey a FAR better option than right vet Jamie Heward? Absolutely. But I followed up your post with the following comments ...

It wouldn't exactly solve any problems of needing a steady veteran hand for the second pair with Carle

I wouldn't bend over backward to make something of a lateral move.

To sum up - if it's easy to do, then do it. Quincy = more reliable, more ready / Lundin = already in place, possible higher upside.

Sure, I was wrong in calling Quincey vs. Lundin "a lateral move." But I just don't see how very many people AT THAT TIME could honestly foresee such a great disparity between Lundin, once a future star participant, and Quincey, a solid prospect caught on a team overstocked with depth and talent.

* BTW, this kind of banter has to be the epitome of a mid-July hockey conversation.

[timothy]

Just don't tell me you knew he'd post nearly 40 points or I'll know you're all bullshitting. :coolwink:

Of course not. I did however believe that he had NHL upside and was caught in a numbers game in DET. I don't really say this much, but BP is sorta modeled after redwingscentral.com and over the years of watching what my "mentors" are doing on RWC, I actually kept up somewhat with RW prospects.

I was also pretty much the only guy who loved the Picard acquisition when we sent Prospal to PHI, because again he was a kid with NHL upside that got caught in a numbers game after PHI acquired a boatload of D vets. When Quincey hit the WW, I immediately thought Picard.

The comparisons to Lundin at the time was simply to compare Quincey's style to that of another player in our system -- and Lundin was "closest". Obviously 40 points was beyond all expectation.

There's no doubt in my mind that had me or Chad been the GM of the Bolts last year, Quincey would have been claimed.

[timothy]

Richard Petiot signs a one-year deal with the Blackhawks.

http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext_sports?cid=82061

[CTLightning26]

Richard Petiot signs a one-year deal with the Blackhawks.

http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext_sports?cid=82061

good for richard.. good player. rather have him than Kraj

[Avery86]

Richard Petiot signs a one-year deal with the Blackhawks.

http://mystateline.com/content/fulltext_sports?cid=82061

Further confirming what we all already knew: that the trade was most assuredly a payment for a salary dump and numbers based only.

[Sotnos]

Two Penguins do the weather forecast on Pittsburgh tv

Stick to your day jobs (http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip191437#clip191437)

[KyleFreadrich43]

Sure, I was wrong in calling Quincey vs. Lundin "a lateral move." But I just don't see how very many people AT THAT TIME could honestly foresee such a great disparity between Lundin, once a future star participant, and Quincey, a solid prospect caught on a team overstocked with depth and talent.

Though he does have talent, I think a lot of Quincey's production last year had to do with his amount of playing time, especially on the power-play, due to injuries, most notably Jack Johnson's.

Does he get the same minutes or power-play time if Johnson is healthy? Probably not.

But who knows, with the way Colorado's defense is muddled with mediocrity, he may end up on the high end of the totem pole there.

[timothy]

Geoff Kinrade signed a one-year, two-way contract today:

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Ottawa-Senators-Hockey-Club-1015566.html

[Randy]

This is one we should not have let get away. He impressed me in his ATO in Norfolk last season. Would have been a good depth signing to reside in Norfolk off the cap.

Oh well.......coulda, woulda, shoulda

[chad]

Jacques Lemaire is back in New Jersey as HC.


Hello 1995.

[astro]

:melodramatic:

Jacques Lemaire is back in New Jersey as HC.


Hello 1995.

:yawn:

[Hoek]

Wow that's terrible.. They had been playing some interesting hockey lately but now it's gonna go back down the crapper.

[The Great Zo]

I was thinking earlier today -- this may well be the year that the Devils finally screw up big time and miss the playoffs.

[CTLightning26]

I was thinking earlier today -- this may well be the year that the Devils finally screw up big time and miss the playoffs.

i thought they'd be out in 07-08. but they got it together...but u r right...gonna be hard to get offensive guys to sign there now and they need some replacements up front

[aapbolt]

hey maybe we can sign Dineen now for the assistant coach position.??

[CTLightning26]

hey maybe we can sign Dineen now for the assistant coach position.??

:thumb:

[TexasBolt]

Jacques Lemaire is back in New Jersey as HC.

Hello 1995.

(pats himself on back for dumping Travis Zajac in BPEL)

[Jester47]

Everything old is new again... bring on the trap!

[gphockey]

From Hockeybuzz.

"There were a couple of more “depth” signings by the Thrashers today, defenseman Noah Welch and forward Anthony Stewart. As is the normal policy, the Thrashers’ organization did not disclose the contract particulars.

Welch weighs in at 220 pounds on a 6’-4” frame. He’s 26-years old and has 73 NHL games worth of experience with the Penguins, Lightning and Panthers scoring four goals and five assists."

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-Tiller/News-Out-Of-Thrasherville/127/22121

[jdhebner]

Jacques Lemaire is back in New Jersey as HC.


Hello 1995.

Hello clutching and grabbing.:mad:

[chad]

Odd... Tallon out as GM in Chicago.

Bowman's kid takes over.


But.. but... but.. they had Dudley!