View Full Version : Cory Murphy Out for Season
timothy
03-18-2009, 12:48 PM
Broken foot per St. Pete Times. Suddenly Lashoff is going to get alot of PP time.
I'm guessing they bring back Melichar.
TexasBolt
03-18-2009, 12:54 PM
God almighty, another season-ending injury to a D-man? Murphy was one of the only ones left that didn't stink.
At least it makes it that much easier to put on a stretch drive for Hedman.
Coldrice
03-18-2009, 12:57 PM
That's just frickin great! Mihalik must get a call up and when the human traffic cone comes off IR, he'll go back down and we'll be stuck the HTC for what, the remaining 8 games at least?
Lashoff, Smaby, Welch, Petiot, Krajicek, Mihalik
Lashoff, Smaby, Welch, Petiot, Krajicek, Malik/Koci (If you want 7 D dressed)
Holy Christ!
I would hope they'd invest this time in Mihalik and/or Wishart when he returns from injury rather than Melichar. I like Josef, but the kids need the time.
backstop
03-18-2009, 03:19 PM
Bummer. Hope he's back next season as a PP specialist.
the_narrow_way
03-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Unreal. Almost every D that has suited up has been traded away or injured this season.
CTLightning26
03-18-2009, 06:43 PM
Malik may be ready soon, so id take another look at Wishart or Mihalik..
Petiot is like our No. 3 d man now. LOL
Remember, Smaby got about 10 games at the end of last season, and I think that was important for him. So, if it's Mihalik or Wishart, I hope one of them gets a bundle of 10 or so games now to try to follow Matt's development plan.
TexasBolt
03-18-2009, 07:16 PM
Later I realized how insane it was that we were seriously bummed out about Cory Murphy being out for the year. It's gone so horribly wrong this year that Cory Murphy is considered a big loss. Holy crap.
backstop
03-18-2009, 07:37 PM
Someone's going to have to pick up those minutes. I sincerely hope it's not Smaby. When Malik comes back, I'd like to see Welch, Lashoff, Krajicek at 25 minutes each, Malik at 20, Smaby down to 15 or so (my concerns have been voiced in another thread about him logging too much time). Seems like some people here are high on Petiot, I haven't seen it. Leaves about 10 minutes a game. I would split those games between Mihalik, Quick, and Wishart.
Just please, please, please don't run Smaby into the ground.
Avery86
03-18-2009, 07:46 PM
Just please, please, please don't run Smaby into the ground.
Agreed.
I'm not surprised about Murphy being out for the season .. but seriously, when does the bad luck stop?
I hope the hockey gods got it all out on the Bolts in one fell swoop (this season). Maybe it all just caught up at the same time from the previous really healthy years .......
...... or Melrose can't run a camp and everyone was out of shape.
Melichar was scratched tonight for Norfolk, so I'd guess he's getting the call.
CTLightning26
03-18-2009, 09:19 PM
Melichar was scratched tonight for Norfolk, so I'd guess he's getting the call.
:doh:
gwf82
03-18-2009, 09:23 PM
What a frigging waste to bring him back.
dannybolt
03-19-2009, 07:49 AM
And yet completely unsurprising with the Lightning's current "brain" trust.:doh:
Seriously, what was the point of drafting and trading for all of these young talented defensemen if we're just going to be playing castoffs from other teams?:wacko:
CTLightning26
03-19-2009, 08:26 AM
Cheaper?
Yep.
i was thinking they were gonna bring up a few forwards, but im thinking they are just gonna save money by not doing it now.
Im surprised they didn't wait a game and just play Koci on d.
CupChamps2004
03-19-2009, 09:15 AM
And yet completely unsurprising with the Lightning's current "brain" trust.:doh:
Seriously, what was the point of drafting and trading for all of these young talented defensemen if we're just going to be playing castoffs from other teams?:wacko:
Do games played count toward when eligible for arbitration? Maybe doing something like Rays did with Longoria & will do with Price to keep arbitration away extra year?
backstop
03-19-2009, 09:31 AM
Do games played count toward when eligible for arbitration? Maybe doing something like Rays did with Longoria & will do with Price to keep arbitration away extra year?
Yes, but the only way it would affect any of our guys from a practical standpoint is if they brought Quick up and played him in just about every game. Bringing up Wishart, Mihalik, etc would have no affect on their status.
timothy
03-19-2009, 09:33 AM
Wishart is hurt; that's why he's not up.
Who has two thumbs and loves skewing stats!? THIS GUY.
I'm awful at math stuff, but here's what Murphy's agent should be doing... (which would mean a No from Lawton when he's playing dman slots).
Murphy's PPG with TB is .60. This ranks 20th in the league among defensemen, tied with Dion "Orr Jr" Phaneuf and Pronger.
That, stretched over 82 games, would be just under 50 points (49). Not too shabby.
If you subscribe to the belief that it takes a player 10-15 games with a new team to become fully acclimated, the news gets better. If you wipe out the first 15, he has 9 points in 10 games.
OBVIOUSLY this does not mean we have a guaranteed 50 point dman on our hands, but what this does mean, is that in this system, depending on ice time, Murphy could realistically be a 40-45 point dman/PP specialist next year if he comes in at the right price. (10 of Murphy's 25 points this year with TB have come on the PP). And has he been awful on defense? For an offensive guy, you want them to be mediocre at least. I think we can check that off for him.
And he needs to be re-signed as a poor man's (or team’s) Dan Boyle.
backstop
03-19-2009, 09:52 AM
I definitely want to see him back next year, but I think expectations should be tempered as those points came when he was playing 20-25 minutes a night. If he is playing #1 minutes for us next year, he may have 50 points but I think it would signal more blueline trouble. All the Dan Boyle parallels are there, though. (Not like Danny could play defense anyway).
And I want to point out again, I mentioned "depending on ice time."
I'm not a huge Cory Murphy fan, but... if you have a guy that can move the puck and isn't a liability on defense... and your team will likely be behind 50% or more of the time, you're going to use him.
I think he'll be around the 20 minute mark next year.
backstop
03-19-2009, 11:45 AM
I think you're right, mainly because I don't think we're going to have the big free agency signing some others think we will. If they did bring a stud d-man in, I think you could count on his time being significantly less. Especially if Lashoff shines here at the end of the season. And I wasn't saying they shouldn't use him, just if you use a guy like that 20 minutes a game, it's a bad sign (your example of when he would be used is a perfect example). I actually really like him and think that if used right, he could be a big benefit to the team. I just don't want him in a big-time minute logging role.
CTLightning26
03-19-2009, 12:36 PM
What Murphy's play means, assuming they resign him, is they may lean toward a defensive-minded defenseman if they are able to pick someone up. Hedman, at least initially, would be in that category, too.. Especially with Lashoff's offensive potential
Can Murphy stay healthy? The problem is he's tiny and fragile.
Randy
03-19-2009, 01:43 PM
I too don't think you will see the Bolts shelling out 6-7 mil a season for a dman. That puts us out of the Ohlund/Bouwmeester derby for sure.
If they stay healthy, there is a decent core already in place. Murphy would make a nice #7 as a PP specialist.
See if they can go out and sign an Oduya/Zannon type of dman. Fills a void and the price is more reasonable.
I know I speak blasphemy here, but bottom line, looking at the most immediate need, Hedman better fits the bill than Tavares.
RSchmitz
03-19-2009, 02:02 PM
All the Dan Boyle parallels are there, though. (Not like Danny could play defense anyway).
Certainly. The one thing that I don't like is his age, I thought he was younger than 31
Whoever signs Ohlund for big money like that is an idiot, because he's injury prone too.
I would not mind bringing Paul Mara back. He's playing about 20 minutes a game for the Rangers and he's an even player making about $2M. Even if he never gets back to being a 40-45 point player, he can eat minutes, and I can't imagine there being a huge market for him. The only thing I'd worry about is getting in a bidding war with New York if they want to keep him. But, you know, they probably can't keep both Morris and Mara.
CTLightning26
03-19-2009, 02:56 PM
Whoever signs Ohlund for big money like that is an idiot, because he's injury prone too.
I would not mind bringing Paul Mara back. He's playing about 20 minutes a game for the Rangers and he's an even player making about $2M. Even if he never gets back to being a 40-45 point player, he can eat minutes, and I can't imagine there being a huge market for him. The only thing I'd worry about is getting in a bidding war with New York if they want to keep him. But, you know, they probably can't keep both Morris and Mara.
yeah, if they could get him for like 2 for $5 mil
RSchmitz
03-19-2009, 02:58 PM
I would offer Ohlund about half of that
I would offer Ohlund about half of that
Then you'd better be prepared to lose the bidding war.
This is what I was trying to say in another/earlier thread. Any FA that TB wants - like about 25 other teams - will have to be overpaid. As a rule, all FAs are overpaid, but like TB tried with Rolston, they offer more money to bypass the "traditional market" deal.
Maybe they can get NCAA creative like they did with Bugsy, Sr.
Overpaying FA combined with Lawton playing D-slots, doesn't match-up unless it's a No.1 dman. And really only Bowmeester and maybe Komisarik (depending on how many shut-down minutes you want from him - 28?) fits the bill.
CTLightning26
03-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Then you'd better be prepared to lose the bidding war.
This is what I was trying to say in another/earlier thread. Any FA that TB wants - like about 25 other teams - will have to be overpaid. As a rule, all FAs are overpaid, but like TB tried with Rolston, they offer more money to bypass the "traditional market" deal.
Maybe they can get NCAA creative like they did with Bugsy, Sr.
Overpaying FA combined with Lawton playing D-slots, doesn't match-up unless it's a No.1 dman. And really only Bowmeester and maybe Komisarik (depending on how many shut-down minutes you want from him - 28?) fits the bill.
How much is the bidding war gonna go on Komisarek?
Mez numbers or better?
bassassin
03-19-2009, 04:33 PM
How much is the bidding war gonna go on Komisarek?
Mez numbers or better?
It will get stupidly high, I wouldnt be suprised if he got $5+ million per year.
Cory Sarich is making $3.4 million. His numbers and Komisarek's, over their careers, haven't been all that different. Factor in inflation...
I'll bet Komisarek gets over $4.5 million, easily.
The Lightning have to hope the big spenders kill each other over Bouwmeester, Ohlund, Komisarek, and Morris and then sneak in and take a lower profile guy like Mara. Lawton needs to pull off what Feaster did three years ago sneaking in and getting Kuba when no one else was looking.
RSchmitz
03-19-2009, 09:57 PM
Cory Sarich is making $3.4 million. His numbers and Komisarek's, over their careers, haven't been all that different. Factor in inflation...
I'll bet Komisarek gets over $4.5 million, easily.
The Lightning have to hope the big spenders kill each other over Bouwmeester, Ohlund, Komisarek, and Morris and then sneak in and take a lower profile guy like Mara. Lawton needs to pull off what Feaster did three years ago sneaking in and getting Kuba when no one else was looking.
Push Ohlund a little further down the totem pole. Guys like Zubov, Aucoin and Niedermayer are also available this summer.
Avery86
03-19-2009, 10:18 PM
Eh .. I'm assuming Niedermayer is retiring this year.
Coldrice
03-19-2009, 11:03 PM
Push Ohlund a little further down the totem pole. Guys like Zubov, Aucoin and Niedermayer are also available this summer.
Zubov - $5.35 Million and 37 soon to be 38, plus out since November... pass.
Aucoin - Already at $4 million and is rumored to be re-signing with Flames. You'd overpay even more to pry him away from Calgary to come here... again.
Niedermayer - If he even considers one more year, it sure as Hell won't be here. No way he goes out as a one-year band aid
Ohlund - Probably 4.5-4.75 range is fathomable but not from the Lightning (I hope).
TexasBolt
03-19-2009, 11:08 PM
Zubov - $5.35 Million and 37 soon to be 38, plus out since November... pass.
I think Zubov might be done, period. He didn't play most of last year, either. And also if you go get him he's going to be gone in a couple years and you have to do this all over again.
WaiverWire
03-19-2009, 11:18 PM
Sorry to say this but the more I sit back and watch what is going on with this group, and hearing things from some older sources I just do not think this ownership has the money to go out and get what we need. I think we will once a gain be waiting for the dust to settle, contracts of others to be signed and then we will pick over what is left.
Yeah, Zubov's a million years old.
TexasBolt
03-20-2009, 01:02 AM
Besides, I think every tenth word out of Razor's mouth during Stars broadcasts is "Bouwmeester".
CTLightning26
03-20-2009, 07:21 AM
Yeah, Zubov's a million years old.
actually, i think he's only like 900,000 years old :)
Sorry to say this but the more I sit back and watch what is going on with this group, and hearing things from some older sources I just do not think this ownership has the money to go out and get what we need. I think we will once a gain be waiting for the dust to settle, contracts of others to be signed and then we will pick over what is left.
And they knew that too, which makes that freaking Eminger deal that much more stupid.
Lashoff has been excellent SO FAR... so if you can't add a FA to the backline, going into next year with:
Mesz-Lashoff
Ranger-Smaby
Eminger-Murphy (re-signed) or Krajicek or Lundin
3rd pair leftover/prospect
...would not have been awful. Getting someone for that third pair anchor will be tough. Because that player will inevitably move up 2 slots due to injuries.
CTLightning26
03-20-2009, 08:46 AM
And they knew that too, which makes that freaking Eminger deal that much more stupid.
Lashoff has been excellent SO FAR... so if you can't add a FA to the backline, going into next year with:
Mesz-Lashoff
Ranger-Smaby
Eminger-Murphy (re-signed) or Krajicek or Lundin
3rd pair leftover/prospect
...would not have been awful. Getting someone for that third pair anchor will be tough. Because that player will inevitably move up 2 slots due to injuries.
guess it all depends on whether Prospal and Vrbata are off the payroll
Bolthed
03-20-2009, 11:14 AM
Pete loves him some Paul Mara. :dance2: :giggle:
... And I completely agree with Chad aboot 'lil Cory Murphy. With his stat projections, he has to be re-signed, even if he gets press-boxed on occasion next season.
gphockey
03-23-2009, 05:54 AM
Poked around for a Mike Smith thread but did not see one, thought i would throw this in here...out for season.
From the Tribune
"Goalie Mike Smith wants to play again this season, but really, why push it? It has been more than a month since he reported concussion symptoms to the team's training staff, which was more than a month after he suffered a concussion. In the time since revealing the symptoms, he has shown little improvement and doesn't appear close to getting back on the ice.
Smith said last week that the most physical activity he is able to do right now is about 15 minutes on a stationary bike, which means he still has some progressions to pass before he would receive clearance to return to the ice."
15 minutes on a bike??? That does not sound good. Hope he gets well soon, just for improving his quality of life if for nothing else.
So what are we supposed to do for a goalie?
Hope like hell that Ramo can handle a season as a No.1 - because Smith is no guarantee at this point.
Even if/when he does come back, he's one crease crashing hit away from being out again for months.
the_narrow_way
03-23-2009, 10:26 AM
Wa it ever determined when Smith was hurt? I seem to recall a game vs. PHI where he got kicked when he was down but I'm not sure.
CTLightning26
03-23-2009, 10:35 AM
Wa it ever determined when Smith was hurt? I seem to recall a game vs. PHI where he got kicked when he was down but I'm not sure.
He says when Prospal ran into his head against Phily, then it got worse when he ran into the ref behind the net
So he can't take a hit from Prospal or a ref.
:duh:
jaydeedub
03-24-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm still optimistic Smitty will return. They should just shut him down for the season...well just tell him there's no chance, because really what's the point, at this point? He does want to get in there pretty badly, and he's annoyed not being in there. And he's been traveling with the team on their road trips...
I'll keep my fingers crossed for next season.
I'm glad to read Tocchet is talking about a return to Torts-style conditioning in the offseason. This will clear up a lot of the injury problems. Melrose was such a putz.
WaiverWire
03-25-2009, 07:58 AM
Melrose was such a putz.
Your far too kind pete, Melrose can kiss my:bootyshake:
:carryon:
Jester47
03-25-2009, 08:04 AM
I'm glad to read Tocchet is talking about a return to Torts-style conditioning in the offseason. This will clear up a lot of the injury problems. Melrose was such a putz.
I agree, I think we will see a much improved team next year after a full camp Tocchet after an actual off season conditioning plan...
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